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[Barquiel]

mosor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Anderson. Udina's... no. Just no.

Yes...this!

Udina was a terrible ambassador...and he didn't get along with the council in ME1 (I saved the DA)

An ambassador's job isn't strictly being nice to others. That's a plus but not a requirement, The prime mission of an ambassador is protecting the interests of your people to foreigners. In that regard, Udina does an exemplary job.

You're right, but I assume that he accomplishes nothing with "I am sick of this anti-human BS"
The other councilors would just outvote him. I hoped that Anderson, the asari and the salarian would support Shep in ME2 (the turian is a hopeless cause)...but I was wrong:unsure:

[EffectedByTheMasses]

I would choose Udina actually because he does openly oppose Shepard's authority, which is good since from a purely role-playing perspective I would want someone to argue with and keep me in check in case I do screw up.



That being said, I would not trust Udina as much as to give him an all-human council.

[Xilizhra]

Shandepared wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Said favors are very helpful to the survival of the galaxy as a whole.

This doesn't apply to TIM though, right?

My resurrection and the SR-2 were indeed helpful. His declaring my Cerberus allegiance to the Council before I'd actually made a decision was less so. The Collector base... belongs in a different thread.

[Nightwriter]

Shand, what I’m actually seeing here is:

1. Udina isn’t very likable, so you immediately relate to him and like him more.
2. He supports your human dominant agendas.
3. He’s the renegade choice.

None of these are arguments for his political competence.

[AntiChri5]

Only one thing matters. Stopping the reapers. No law or political rule matters compared to that. Udina can not be counted on to support Shepard in that fight. Anderson can.

That, is what matters

[mosor]

Barquiel wrote...

You're right, but I assume that he accomplishes nothing with "I am sick of this anti-human BS"
The other councilors would just outvote him. I hoped that Anderson, the asari and the salarian would support Shep in ME2 (the turian is a hopeless cause)...but I was wrong:unsure:

To be honest, I don't think the council is a bunch of idiots. Even the turian. I think they know full well about the reaper threat but don't want you on the case because of your cerberus involvement.  Wouldn't suprise me if they had other spectres investigating. I'll never know for certain since I decapitated the old order, so keep me posted

[Casuist]

Corruption...



...is attempting to increase one's own power and influence at the expense of the people one represents. One of Udina's responsibilities in ME1 is to back Shepard up given that Sherpard's advancement as a spectre is a key interest of humanity (beyond the simple fact that Shepard is him/herself a human and is therefore subject to representation by Udina). He failed in his responsibility for his own self-interest. If you like that sort of behavior, he's a GREAT council selection.

[AntiChri5]

Shandywandy said......

...Yet you seem to be anti-Cerberus and anti-TIM. Why?

Cerberus is an enemy of the council, and your alliance with him damages your alliance with them.

The council has fleets, TIM doesnt.

[Xilizhra]

Clearly, simply doing your job isn't enough to well. Something Anderson knows better than Udina.

[Nightwriter]

Concern for the safety of the galaxy is not egotism. Interest in one's own political advancement at the price of galactic safety is.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Anderson acknowledges the reapers and gets shepard out of trouble, Udina stabbed shepard in the back and thinks the reapers are a myth. No way in hell i'd be choosing that backstabbing snake of a politician.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 15 octobre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Count Viceroy]

Can only hope Me3 will punish the extreme naivety of certain choices.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 15 octobre 2010 - 11:42 .

[Xilizhra]

I'll never understand the Renegades' desire to punish Paragon decisions.

[tommyt_1994]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'll never understand the Renegades' desire to punish Paragon decisions.

Because Paragons take risks with no reprcussions. While renegades often get shafted. This of course coming from someone who doesn't know what to think about his own morality by the way. The fact that I'm studying to be a law enforcement officer effects it surely.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Anderson easily, he's not making decisions based on political climates and instead prefers doing the right thing... that's the type of leader that's ideal.

[Xilizhra]

I think the best explanation is that Renegades care about nothing but getting the job done; thus, they get nothing but the job done.

Renegades like to punish bad people and paragons are bad people (with good intentions and a mostly honorable disposition).

Oh, Renegade, you so crazy.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Nightwriter]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'll never understand the Renegades' desire to punish Paragon decisions.

Because Paragons take risks with no reprcussions. While renegades often get shafted. This of course coming from someone who doesn't know what to think about his own morality by the way. The fact that I'm studying to be a law enforcement officer effects it surely.

Renegades need to understand the game isn't reality. I don't pretend the paragon decisions I make in the game are the same I'd make in real life. They're two totally different environments.

In videogames, an NPC firing at point-blank range does absolutely nothing, and the whole crew just up and leaves the ship for no reason because the plot needs them to.

[Count Viceroy]

Most if not all games reward the good path, and only punish the bad one. There's a few exceptions, the witcher being one of them. There's not a single bad outcome so far regarding any paragon decision. The rachni had the potential to be one, but no.

[Casuist]

Shandepared wrote...

No, he didn't. Shepard becamse a liability and his continued defiance of the Council threatened humanity's good standing. Udina did his job.

Most Mass Effect players are too egotistical to understand this. Anyone who doesn't like and support them 100% of the time is "bad", "stupid", and needs to have their ass kicked.

That's your perspective, but there's no evidence whatsoever that Shepard's actions were doing anything to diminish humanity's standing (as it shouldn't have... nothing was outside his/her authority or mission). Indeed, Udina failed to learn from the example of his predecessor who, despite the events of ME: revelation avoided any significant censure by leveraging humanity's importance.

Frankly, even if the evidence of the Reapers is disbelieved (despite Shepard being the only one with access to the beacon message), the considerable evidence of the threat Saren represents (Virmire, Feros, Eden Prime, Shiala's testimony, Benezia's admissions) makes the council's obstinancy an asinine decision. Udina's primary responsibility is as Shepard's advocate. If he truly believes Shepard is so much a liability as to justify the grounding, he's an idiot. If he's motivated to any significant degree by his personal influence with the council (as evidence would suggest) then he's corrupt, and an idiot.