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[Esbatty]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I have a question.........why?
Seriously. Why?
What does it add to the game?

Yes, THIS!

Sweet baby christmas jesus in a gingerbread manger... WHY?!?!

[GodWood]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

GodWood wrote...
As long as it made sense in context of the story (eg killing Connor) I don't see why theres anything wrong with it.

Dragon Age did it in the right way. Give the option, but do not be more brutal than necessary. I could never kill Connor and even if you do so because you do not have another choice (you always have, yet maybe you can't save everyone), would it be fun for you to see a small child stabbed in the chest, slowly bleeding to death?

Its a game, so I wouldn't find it disturbing, just dramatic.
Besides plenty of people die in gruesome ways in origins, why is this different?

[Eski.Moe]

Yuck.

Though, I do want the kids in the game to look different each other. They all look too similar.

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Maybe you're not roleplaying a sane person.

I don't care for what I roleplay, that's a real person with a, hopefully, sane mind behind the screen and if you enjoy seeing children die, you should take a few pretty vital steps asap.

GodWood wrote...
As long as it made sense in context of the story (eg killing Connor) I don't see why theres anything wrong with it.

Dragon Age did it in the right way. Give the option, but do not be more brutal than necessary. I could never kill Connor and even if you do so because you do not have another choice (you always have, yet maybe you can't save everyone), would it be fun for you to see a small child stabbed in the chest, slowly bleeding to death?

Then again, why bother with all those blood-thirsty...people, BioWare will, fortunately, never implement such a scene.

TS2Aggie wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

It can add a serious amount of drama and shock when done right. (Alien invasion harvesting humans, player sees a child be taken and eaten by the evil alien monster, get ready to avenge the kid!)
Edit: Censoring it can still add shock and drama, but actually seeing it would be more shocking and immediate in the viewer's mind.
Edit2: Actually, seeing the kid be taken by the monster, and hearing the eating slightly off screen or behind a wall can be more horrifying than actually seeing it.

Ugh, just reading that makes me want to vomit. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

In regards to the OP, no. No, no, no. If they aren't even allowed to show breasts on the playable character in a game rated M, they sure as hell won't be allowed to show children being murdered. 

What is with the sadistic threads being started here lately? First someone wants to be able to stroke their own...ego by slapping their companions and now someone else wants to be able to graphically murder children. What is wrong with some people?

What are, 12? The world is a terrible place full of murder, rape, torture, war, famine, disease, and everything else, and we're told THEDAS is even worse. 


Realism is ALWAYS good, no exceptions. The ultimate goal of gaming should be to reach a point where everything is 1 to 1, want to kill a child? Sure go ahead, don't plan on getting away with it though unless you're very intelligent. Hope you have the stomach for it too, because with AI like that the child will feel, look, and act 100% real.

[Eski.Moe]

You're kidding yourself if you think that's ever going to be in a Bioware (or almost any game for that matter) game. There's realism and there's taking it too far. This is the latter.

[Ortaya Alevli]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Realism is ALWAYS good, no exceptions. The ultimate goal of gaming should be to reach a point where everything is 1 to 1

You realize that's totally a subjective opinion of yours, right?

[GodWood]

Why is it bad to show the PC killing a demon possessed child but its fine to see an innoccent adult have their head chopped off.

Modifié par GodWood, 16 octobre 2010 - 11:08 .

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Eski.Moe wrote...

You're kidding yourself if you think that's ever going to be in a Bioware (or almost any game for that matter) game. There's realism and there's taking it too far. This is the latter.

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Realism is ALWAYS good, no exceptions. The ultimate goal of gaming should be to reach a point where everything is 1 to 1

You realize that's totally a subjective opinion of yours, right?

As technology progresses and AI/graphics software becomes realer and realer, it's only a matter of time. One company will push it a little, then another, and eventually it will happen. It won't be instant, the public is too irrational for that to work, and if anyone tries to do it in an instant it will backfire and the sheep will push back harder than before. 

In the end, it's inevitable. That is the pinnacle of gaming, after you reach that point, when graphics and AI are 100% realistic, then there's nowhere else to go. So no that's not my opinion, and it's not "never going to happen". In fact, I'd wager it'll happen in my lifetime assuming nothing changes the flow of technological progression.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Because you shouldn't bring kids to adult situation.

[Xewaka]

I miss the old times of rampaging with fireballs through the city, killing indiscriminately. It was a fun vent for frustation when stuck in the plot.

[Ortaya Alevli]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

In the end, it's inevitable. That is the pinnacle of gaming, after you reach that point, when graphics and AI are 100% realistic, then there's nowhere else to go. So no that's not my opinion, and it's not "never going to happen". In fact, I'd wager it'll happen in my lifetime assuming nothing changes the flow of technological progression.

I didn't say whether it's inevitable is your subjective opinion. I said it being always good and should be the ultimate goal of gaming is your subjective opinion.

[Sabariel]

No, because then the game would be banned in some countries.



....Why do you want to watch a pixel child die anyway?

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

GodWood wrote...

Why is it bad to show the PC killing a demon possessed child but its fine to see an innoccent adult have their head chopped off.

More importantly, why is it bad to show a child being murdered when we see so much worse in movies and TV? I'm not fond of horror flicks so I can't speak for specifics but just looking at trailers for movies like Saw and Hostel scare me. Not because they seem scary, but because the thought of the terror and pain and blah blah blah.

The biggest difference is that gaming is a new medium, and it's human nature to fear change. The conservative (not political) base of our public, mainly comprised of older adults, are scared of video games. They see the world changing around them faster than ever before and they want to blame the problems on something, so they choose video games, an easy target.

Of course this is subconscious but it causes the problems the industry faces with people like Jack Thompson.

[GodWood]

Lady light doorbell wrote...
Because you shouldn't bring kids to adult situation.

(I'll assume this was in response to my question)
Why exactly? I'm not understanding this trail of thought.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Kids are innocent, would you kill your own? The fact that someone suggested this is horrifying

Modifié par Lady light doorbell, 16 octobre 2010 - 11:17 .

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

In the end, it's inevitable. That is the pinnacle of gaming, after you reach that point, when graphics and AI are 100% realistic, then there's nowhere else to go. So no that's not my opinion, and it's not "never going to happen". In fact, I'd wager it'll happen in my lifetime assuming nothing changes the flow of technological progression.

I didn't say whether it's inevitable is your subjective opinion. I said it being always good and should be the ultimate goal of gaming is your subjective opinion.

You didn't specify, and while I assumed, I didn't care. It being my opinion is irrelevant and was merely to state that I'm welcoming to it.

Sabariel wrote...

No, because then the game would be banned in some countries.

....Why do you want to watch a pixel child die anyway?

Let me pretext by saying that while I'm for this change of taboo in the industry, I could care less about specific application.

1. I presume it's not about wanting to watch it as about giving developers more rope to right a believable and emotionally touching story. No one is sitting here saying "LET ME KILL THE LITTLE DEVILS, I HATE CHILDREN,I WANT TO KILL CHILDREN".

2. Why does it matter? 

[GodWood]

Lady light doorbell wrote...
Kids are innocent, would you kill your own? The fact that someone suggested this is horrifying

Adults can be innoccent too yet they are allowed to be shown being killed.
Whats the difference?

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Kids are innocent, would you kill your own? The fact that someone suggested this is horrifying

No, but my character isn't me. My character is who I make him. Maybe I decide to make him a sociopath. The fact that you are so ignorant is horrifying .

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

GodWood wrote..
Adults can be innoccent too yet they are allowed to be shown being killed.
Whats the difference?

One cannot make a well thought of choice while the other knows the full consequence of there actions.

[Eski.Moe]

If children die as means of a plot point, as in a whole city gets nuked or something similar. Or young Mage Apprentices get murdered by an evil Mage or whatever (ala Star Wars) and letting us see something of the aftermath (with the actual act happening off-screen of course).

In those types of cases, I suppose it could be alright or if the actions of your character inadvertently end up causing these types of consequences. But actively killing a child? No. Not in Dragon Age, not in any game. You notice with movies like Saw and Hostel, that there are only adults. Right?



It's apparent that my view of the pinnacle of gaming vastly differs from yours.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Kids are innocent, would you kill your own? The fact that someone suggested this is horrifying

No, but my character isn't me. My character is who I make him. Maybe I decide to make him a sociopath. The fact that you are so ignorant is horrifying .

The fact that you want to kill kids is worse,

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

GodWood wrote..
Adults can be innoccent too yet they are allowed to be shown being killed.
Whats the difference?

One cannot make a well thought of choice while the other knows the full consequence of there actions.

So? It's not the child making the choice. Also, what if the adult has a mental disability? Is it ok to kill them?

[Sabariel]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

In the end, it's inevitable. That is the pinnacle of gaming, after you reach that point, when graphics and AI are 100% realistic, then there's nowhere else to go. So no that's not my opinion, and it's not "never going to happen". In fact, I'd wager it'll happen in my lifetime assuming nothing changes the flow of technological progression.

I didn't say whether it's inevitable is your subjective opinion. I said it being always good and should be the ultimate goal of gaming is your subjective opinion.

You didn't specify, and while I assumed, I didn't care. It being my opinion is irrelevant and was merely to state that I'm welcoming to it.

Sabariel wrote...

No, because then the game would be banned in some countries.

....Why do you want to watch a pixel child die anyway?

Let me pretext by saying that while I'm for this change of taboo in the industry, I could care less about specific application.

1. I presume it's not about wanting to watch it as about giving developers more rope to right a believable and emotionally touching story. No one is sitting here saying "LET ME KILL THE LITTLE DEVILS, I HATE CHILDREN,I WANT TO KILL CHILDREN".

2. Why does it matter? 

1. It can be believable and emotional without showing the kid's innards expelling themselves from his ears. Connor's death was believable and touching without an on-screen death. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it automatically should be done.

2. Well, if they got off on such a thing I was going to offer to pay for therapy

[GodWood]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

GodWood wrote..
Adults can be innoccent too yet they are allowed to be shown being killed.
Whats the difference?

One cannot make a well thought of choice while the other knows the full consequence of there actions.

This is irrelevent. (and not entirely true)
I can kill an innoccent adult yet not a child, why?

[upsettingshorts]

Lady light doorbell wrote...
One cannot make a well thought of choice while the other knows the full consequence of there actions.

People do not obtain omniscience after their 18th birthday.  It is entirely possible to be an innocent adult.  Further it is possible - especially in fiction - for a believably written "guilty" minor child to exist.  An example I'd cite is the very young Caligula in Robert Graves' I, Claudius who conspires with a poisoner to kill his own father, engages in incestuous relations with his sisters, and attempts to burn down the palace.

But I can't help but feel that a discussion about the relative innocence of children is a sidetrack.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 octobre 2010 - 11:29 .