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[Icinix]

The response was to Spartan's comment about Shianni, Broodmother, Leliana etc. Story events that occur without player interaction. Having those as visual representation in the game, would push DA:O into the realm of games I don't enjoy, because they would be in the game at some stage without you having a choice to make.



The Connor comment was a post BEFORE, about how it was a design decision not an issue of CENSORSHIP. Had nothing to do with my post AFTER Spartan's comments (Where I said I'm glad they didn't include the graphical representation of non-choice moments).



But if you're somehow reading more into what I was saying than I was aware of. Please enlighten me. I'll be up for about another 20 minutes.



I think we're almost on the same page....have another read, chronologically.

[Wulfram]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

@tonydanz: They were strongly implied during city elf origin for Shianni and during conversation w/ Leliana

In Shianni's case, it's entirely unambiguous

[Marionetten]

Icinix wrote...


The response was to Spartan's comment about Shianni, Broodmother, Leliana etc. Story events that occur without player interaction. Having those as visual representation in the game, would push DA:O into the realm of games I don't enjoy, because they would be in the game at some stage without you having a choice to make.

The Connor comment was a post BEFORE, about how it was a design decision not an issue of CENSORSHIP. Had nothing to do with my post AFTER Spartan's comments (Where I said I'm glad they didn't include the graphical representation of non-choice moments).

But if you're somehow reading more into what I was saying than I was aware of. Please enlighten me. I'll be up for about another 20 minutes.

I think we're almost on the same page....have another read, chronologically.

With all due respect I really don't think I'm the one who needs to reread things here.

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I agree with you... it's not so much censorship as design.  We know terrible things take place off screen that aren't shown and that's probably just a decision by the devs to exclude images that could potentially be extremely disturbing to some players.  I mean who would enjoy watching  Owen hang himself, Connor die, Leliana or Shianni get raped, or even what the darkspawn do to females to make them broodmothers?

Personally, I don't think it's necessary to accurately portray anything the player doesn't experience firsthand.

Modifié par Marionetten, 16 octobre 2010 - 01:56 .

[Icinix]

Marionetten wrote...

Icinix wrote...


The response was to Spartan's comment about Shianni, Broodmother, Leliana etc. Story events that occur without player interaction. Having those as visual representation in the game, would push DA:O into the realm of games I don't enjoy, because they would be in the game at some stage without you having a choice to make.

The Connor comment was a post BEFORE, about how it was a design decision not an issue of CENSORSHIP. Had nothing to do with my post AFTER Spartan's comments (Where I said I'm glad they didn't include the graphical representation of non-choice moments).

But if you're somehow reading more into what I was saying than I was aware of. Please enlighten me. I'll be up for about another 20 minutes.

I think we're almost on the same page....have another read, chronologically.

With all due respect I really don't think I'm the one who needs to reread things here.

LOL.

Well good luck to you then!

[Marionetten]

simfamSP wrote...

I don't mind killing a Darkspawn, but a kid? You have to have a pretty cold heart to want to see your sword gut a kid.

Agreed. Which is why most people won't do it and as such will never have the opportunity to be offended by the content.

Modifié par Marionetten, 16 octobre 2010 - 01:59 .

[Gerudan]

Hooray for senseless violence against children!!





Wait, what?!

[Spartansfan8888]

Marionetten wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I don't mind killing a Darkspawn, but a kid? You have to have a pretty cold heart to want to see your sword gut a kid.

Agreed. Which is why most people won't do it and as such will never have the opportunity to be offended by the content.

But you CAN get backed into those events happening.  Did you let Jowan run away?  Did you also end up annulling the circle of magi?  Then there's no one to perform the ritual and Connor has to die.  Also your first time through the game you have no idea whether time is an issue; for all you know if you leave the castle to try and save both Isolde and Connor via Circle of Magi you don't know if Connor will go insane and kill half the village.  But yes a person replaying the game who knows how each course of action will turn out can avoid the bloodshed.

[Zenjamin]

GodWood wrote...

I'm an Australian and we're barely allowed to kill zombies in games let alone children.

Your country was founded as a place to stick away blood hardened criminals.
Why are you guys such abunch of conservitave prudes?

man. Europe think America is bad.

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I don't mind killing a Darkspawn, but a kid? You have to have a pretty cold heart to want to see your sword gut a kid.

Agreed. Which is why most people won't do it and as such will never have the opportunity to be offended by the content.

But you CAN get backed into those events happening.  Did you let Jowan run away?  Did you also end up annulling the circle of magi?  Then there's no one to perform the ritual and Connor has to die.  Also your first time through the game you have no idea whether time is an issue; for all you know if you leave the castle to try and save both Isolde and Connor via Circle of Magi you don't know if Connor will go insane and kill half the village.  But yes a person replaying the game who knows how each course of action will turn out can avoid the bloodshed.

Thats your fault though. Play the game amorally, amoral things happen.

[Elanareon]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I have a question.........why?
Seriously. Why?
What does it add to the game?

Its scarier... Just imagine a Darkspawn killing a kid... There's a social stigma killing kids, and that adds alot to a game that features "just a natural tide of evil" (sorry forgot the exact wordings, but its darkspawn)... Im no psycho or anything but it does add something big...

[DarthCaine]

What do you think this is ? Dark mature fantasy ? haha

[upsettingshorts]

DarthCaine wrote...

What do you think this is ? Dark mature fantasy ? haha

Where do you think you are?  The CD Projekt forums?  haha

[Spartansfan8888]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I don't mind killing a Darkspawn, but a kid? You have to have a pretty cold heart to want to see your sword gut a kid.

Agreed. Which is why most people won't do it and as such will never have the opportunity to be offended by the content.

But you CAN get backed into those events happening.  Did you let Jowan run away?  Did you also end up annulling the circle of magi?  Then there's no one to perform the ritual and Connor has to die.  Also your first time through the game you have no idea whether time is an issue; for all you know if you leave the castle to try and save both Isolde and Connor via Circle of Magi you don't know if Connor will go insane and kill half the village.  But yes a person replaying the game who knows how each course of action will turn out can avoid the bloodshed.

Thats your fault though. Play the game amorally, amoral things happen.

It's really not though.  If it's my first time through the game and I don't pick up the Litany or understand how to use it against Uldred then the circle is annulled; then and there you'll have to kill someone.

[Zanaide]

Elanareon wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I have a question.........why?
Seriously. Why?
What does it add to the game?

Its scarier... Just imagine a Darkspawn killing a kid... There's a social stigma killing kids, and that adds alot to a game that features "just a natural tide of evil" (sorry forgot the exact wordings, but its darkspawn)... Im no psycho or anything but it does add something big...

Ehhh.. I'm on the side of, what's unseen is far scarier than what is seen. Why do you think Paranormal Activity did so well? My imagination is a far scarier tool than anything my eyes can see, but then again I read a lot so I have practice.

[pizoxuat]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

What was perfectly acceptable ten years ago no longer is. Unless we're talking about movies, that is. No problem with eating fetuses there. Got to love the idiocy of society.

Conveniently that was before video games became so mainstream. My god we need an industry crash badly.

So you want a whole lot of people to lose their jobs so you can see a kid die in a game?  Twisted.

[DarthCaine]

Well, ok, it IS mature, even though people seem to do it in their undies

[Saibh]

I think Connor getting killed off screen gave me the idea of what happened. I really didn't need to see it. Yes, sometimes watching the death has a different impact--like Brother Genetivi's--but it needn't be done.

I'm not interested in watching children die. It's threads like these that convince the media we're all sociopathic serial killers.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 octobre 2010 - 03:42 .

[David Gaider]

The censorship in some countries regarding depicting violence done to minors can be pretty strict, particularly in places like Germany and Australia. We could create a separate edition of the game for sale there, one where such content is removed... but, quite frankly, there's no burning need on the design team to do this. As with Connor in the Redcliffe story, it's not that difficult to imply rather than explicitly show.

If someone actually finds that disappointing, well... I guess they'll have to meet their violence-to-children needs elsewhere.

[AllThatJazz]

Saibh wrote...

I'm not interested in watching children die. It's threads like these that convince the media we're all sociopathic serial killers.

This. I come from the land of The Sun and The Daily Mail. I do not wish to live in fear of Middle England mobs with the wrong idea. <_<

Though, to be fair, a Middle England mob would probably just throw cucumber sandwiches at me.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 16 octobre 2010 - 03:48 .

[mousestalker]

David Gaider wrote...

The censorship in some countries regarding depicting violence done to minors can be pretty strict, particularly in places like Germany and Australia. We could create a separate edition of the game for sale there, one where such content is removed... but, quite frankly, there's no burning need on the design team to do this. As with Connor in the Redcliffe story, it's not that difficult to imply rather than explicitly show.

If someone actually finds that disappointing, well... I guess they'll have to meet their violence-to-children needs elsewhere.

Thank you.