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[Thunderfox]

So after hearing about the Witcher and how great of a game it was here and from other sources I recently started it and just beat the game.

And I was wondering why do people like it so much? Don't get me wrong, it is a Good game, but I didn't see anything special with it, deserving of the adoration I've seen around.  Ironically it was very Hack and Slashy, while some of the complainers about DA2's apparent "HnS Gameplay" seem to love TW.  It is more than likely just a taste thing, but I was wodering if I missed something

Modifié par ThunderfoxF, 16 octobre 2010 - 03:46 .

[Shepard Lives]

I too discovered The Witcher on these forums.

The combat is mediocre, and the graphics are eye-poppingly hideous (aside from a couple of character models), but other than that it's a remarkably well-done game. I'm not very far into the story yet, but so far it's made a good impression on me overall.

[DarthCaine]

In short, it's the great atmosphere with a dark mature theme, the music and (most of all) the grey choices and long lasting consequences.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 16 octobre 2010 - 04:23 .

[DarthCaine]

double post instead of edit

Modifié par DarthCaine, 16 octobre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Nerevar-as]

I am a fan if the books and at times it´s alomost like playing them (and no, the cards is not one of those parts to me). It´s also rather dark, often there are no third options, you can´t fix everything, and rather than good option vs evil option it´s good vs lesser evil.



About combat, I am of the few who liked it. I´m no fan of auto attack unless you control a party, and the timing makes it better than click-click-click. Also, high level moves are disturbingly beautiful. About DA2, remember DA:O is not H&S, so it´s quite a change (if there´s a change, DA2 marketing is a chain of disasters to me) from the original. I like both combat systems, but I don´t like system changes within a title.

[ErichHartmann]

Very good story but combat sucks. The latter has killed my desire to replay it.

[Jonp382]

I doubt I'll ever finish the game. I disliked everything about it in the two hours I played, with the exception of the video and audio presentation. I can see why someone would like the game though, if they're interested in a character like Geralt.

[Crippledcarny]

It was made in Europe so there is a group, some of which are on this forum, that like the game simply because it's not from North America, despite the fact it plays just like any other action wrpg.

I personally really enjoyed the combat. The way spells and melee stances were mixed with such fluidity really impressed me. The only down side of it for me is there really aren't many different play styles with it. Which means every play threw of the game combat will feel the exact same.

The story really wasn't that bad, maybe even good. Although I hated the ending, thought it was very cheap. As well, the game can be incredibly juvenile at times and some of the dialog is just ****** poor. But I'm willing to believe some of the magic in it was lost in translation, or at least I'm hoping.

All in all, I don't believe it's any where as good as what some people are holding it up to be, but it isn't bad by any means.

[Loerwyn]

The Witcher isn't a masterpiece, I'll grant that. The Enhanced Edition patch really fixes a lot of issues, but the game isn't as brilliant as some might say - But what game is? Dragon Age is a total mess, yet people claim it's "t3h bset rpg evurrr".

The thing with The Witcher is its potential. CDProjekt RED came out of nowhere with The Witcher, and it's stunning for a few reasons. Firstly, the Witcher IP is hardly known outside of Poland. There's a few countries (France and Spain, IIRC) with access to translated works, but Geralt's adventures weren't known to the English-speaking world in any large form. Secondly, it was their debut product.

By all reasonable logic, it should be like Drakensang. The IPs for both games aren't big in the English speaking world, they're by small developers with no name outside of their country. But it defied all of that and sold well over a million copies - A substantial number for a PC-only RPG from a then-unknown developer with a rather unknown IP.

[ErichHartmann]

slimgrin wrote...

I'll play The Witcher 2 or 3 times at most. Some of the flaws will keep me from coming back more than that. 

But it's TW2 that has me and many others salivating at the mouth. Still, its not a game for everybody. I doubt it ever will be mainstream like Dragon Age.

Maybe.....last I read TW2 will be coming to the 360 and PS3.  And over a million copies sold is mainstream in my eyes.  I'm cautiously optomistic.     

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 16 octobre 2010 - 07:46 .

[DarthCaine]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

I also noticed that people bring up The Witcher because according to them, The Witcher was darker than Dragon Age: Origins, which in my opinion, didn't have that dark tone it was aiming for.

Oh, don't get me started on that, DAO isn't in the least bit dark and is just high fantasy, the dark fantasy part is just marketing BS.

DAO is no darker than NwN2, Baldur's Gate, Fable, Elder Scrolls or Jade Empire none of which label themselves as dark fantasy.

The Witcher seemed silly in some points with all the sex cards, but had a pessimistic atmosphere of depression and had a lot of dark mature themes. DAO has a high fantasy atmosphere of LOTR and DnD and loosly touched some dark mature themes.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 16 octobre 2010 - 08:12 .

[Soul Reaver]

I preferred The Witcher over DAO mostly because of the great atmosphere and the difficult choices. And there were actual ingame consequences rather than some crappy epilogue text.

Modifié par Soul Reaver, 16 octobre 2010 - 08:18 .

[HoonDing]

DA:O is as much dark as LOTR. Like LOTR, it contains some dark themes, but is overshadowed by the grand struggle against evil... with the very big difference that in LOTR the evil is faceless and cannot be defeated by arms.

In dark fantasy, there is no happy end and there are no victories save for Pyrrhic ones. In the Witcher, no matter on Geralt's choices, he can never improve the world, nor is improving the world his revenge... either he's driven by a desire for personal revenge or to regain his lost memories.

Modifié par virumor, 16 octobre 2010 - 08:44 .

[Loerwyn]

slimgrin wrote...
Or the potential of its sequel.

Exactly. GamesCom, E3 and other big events - Not one went by without gaming sites commenting on TW2. Geralt this, Geralt that. Boobs this, boobs that. But even better is that CDProjekt RED listen to feedback. One scene in particular was seen by Rock Paper Shotgun to not be tonally correct (That's the best I can sum it up without spoiling it), and CDProjekt RED spoke about it internally and I believe they've redone that particular meeting between characters. You just have to look at the game so far, though, to see they've taken feedback from The Witcher. Triss looks much better, Geralt has really increased in quality, we have scabbards for the swords and I believe the combat's been overhauled.

CDProjekt RED, along with CDProjekt (Gog.com stunt excluded) are quickly shaping up to be very important in the coming years. CDPR have shown what a small, unknown developer can do with a little-known IP. The company has some very good philosophies (A dislike of DRM being one) and they're passionate about their products.

[Loerwyn]

slimgrin wrote...
Where is CD red getting their funds for such high production values in TW2? I don't know. Graphically, it looks to set a new standard for RPG's. The battlefield scenario with Draug is really something else. Talk about a nightmarish atmosphere, they have nailed it.

CDPR are part of CDProjekt, who I believe are a fairly sizable publisher within Poland. They do some beautiful collector's editions for games they release (I believe as a deterrent to piracy), and whilst I'm not totally clued up on it, I would guess that they're a very successful company. You've also got to factor in that they're not licensing an engine this time. TW1's engine was ~20% BioWare by the time CDPR had finished with it (That's a rough figure they've given), and TW2's is fully CDPR, so it's in-house. The cost of hiring and sustaining their staff is also likely a lot smaller than you'd find for a US studio, and on top of that they don't hire big name actors like BioWare or Bethesda do.

I'm guessing they also save money because the distributor/publishers (Atari, I believe, and Namco Bandai) would likely do the advertising and marketing which would save a lot of money on CDP's side of things.

[Nerevar-as]

What´s the problem with the ending? If you mean the main villain´s identity, than it´s one of the problems it has for being a sequel to the books, as the reason for that is a plot tie.