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[Loerwyn]

slimgrin wrote...
I really wish they had used a new engine.

Normally I'd agree with you, slim, but on this point I don't.

Obsidian are, at the end of the day, in the grips of Bethesda for this product, whether they're a hands-on publisher or hands-off. I would wager that Obsidian's best option was to use the permutation of Gamebryo that Bethesda themselves use, and it's likely down to a few reasons.

1. Gamebryo, at least with Bethesda's modifications, is highly modabble. Appeals to the modding community (Especially the FO3/Oblivion community) due to little difference between 3 and NV.
2. Publisher support. Obsidian will be able to get support from within Bethesda to help with the engine, just as BioWare helped Obsidian with KotOR2 and CDPR with The Witcher.
3. Less time spent working on the engine. Aside from many minor issues and so forth, Bethesda's FO3 engine worked fine, and there's little Obsidian had to do. Add their tweaks (hopefully they've added some extra stability) and it's pretty much sorted.

Financially, I think Obsidian will benefit from this, but I think the most important thing for them is how they come out of it at the end. They've not got, at the moment, a great reputation for making games. They're criticised for KotOR2 (Despite a lot of the problems being due to LucasArts), NWN2 never achieved anywhere near the success of NWN and is often criticised, and Alpha Protocol was a very underwhelming release in terms of numbers and impact, and it's known for being buggy. If Fallout: New Vegas is at least as good as Fallout 3, Obsidian have done it. They'll have proved to the gaming community that they can make excellent games and that with the right publisher, they can shine. That's just my opinion, of course.

[Crippledcarny]

Remember that interview when the guy from Bethesda said they didn't know how to make people climb ladders? Doesn't have much to do with anything I guess, but I thought it was funny!

[Crippledcarny]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

hey've not got, at the moment, a great reputation for making games.

I don't think their reputation is that bad. They just seem to take a 5/5 game and make a 4/5 game from it. Their work isn't really bad, and it's better than a lot of crap out there, but they never seem to live up to what came before.

[AllThatJazz]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
I really wish they had used a new engine.

Normally I'd agree with you, slim, but on this point I don't.

Obsidian are, at the end of the day, in the grips of Bethesda for this product, whether they're a hands-on publisher or hands-off. I would wager that Obsidian's best option was to use the permutation of Gamebryo that Bethesda themselves use, and it's likely down to a few reasons.

1. Gamebryo, at least with Bethesda's modifications, is highly modabble. Appeals to the modding community (Especially the FO3/Oblivion community) due to little difference between 3 and NV.
2. Publisher support. Obsidian will be able to get support from within Bethesda to help with the engine, just as BioWare helped Obsidian with KotOR2 and CDPR with The Witcher.
3. Less time spent working on the engine. Aside from many minor issues and so forth, Bethesda's FO3 engine worked fine, and there's little Obsidian had to do. Add their tweaks (hopefully they've added some extra stability) and it's pretty much sorted.

Financially, I think Obsidian will benefit from this, but I think the most important thing for them is how they come out of it at the end. They've not got, at the moment, a great reputation for making games. They're criticised for KotOR2 (Despite a lot of the problems being due to LucasArts), NWN2 never achieved anywhere near the success of NWN and is often criticised, and Alpha Protocol was a very underwhelming release in terms of numbers and impact, and it's known for being buggy. If Fallout: New Vegas is at least as good as Fallout 3, Obsidian have done it. They'll have proved to the gaming community that they can make excellent games and that with the right publisher, they can shine. That's just my opinion, of course.

I agree with this. Honestly, I've played and loved every Obsidian title so far, but nothing they've done yet has escaped major criticism (some justified, some not) and thus they haven't the rep they could  - and should - have. I'm hoping for the best for New Vegas (I guess I mean in terms of reviews and such, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it). Fingers crossed! x

[Loerwyn]

Crippledcarny wrote...

I don't think their reputation is that bad. They just seem to take a 5/5 game and make a 4/5 game from it. Their work isn't really bad, and it's better than a lot of crap out there, but they never seem to live up to what came before.

It's certainly not a terrible reputation, and I'd put it more along the lines of Treyarch.

Either way, I think if Obsidian botch this release, their respect will plummet. Fallout isn't a lightweight franchise that can be thrown around, especially with the lack of quality RPGs in the market today. There's a lot of expectation and hype resting on Obsidian's shoulders, arguably moreso than Bethesda had to deal with for Fallout 3 (Given Obsidian's roster and how important some of the staff are within the Fallout universe), and a botched New Vegas release will just be devestating to them in how they're seen by the RPG community.

I don't think they'll bungle it, not even a little. Obsidian aren't stupid, and I think this is going to be the title that truly makes their name.

[Crippledcarny]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Either way, I think if Obsidian botch this release, their respect will plummet.

If they botched it, it would be pretty sad really, and show exactly how far they've fallen since Black Isle. But yeah, I couldn't see some of the senior people at Obsidian who worked on the original Fallouts let this go to shelf in an imperfect state.

[HoonDing]

Bethesda is a decent publisher compared to Sega & LucasArts, not to mention they let Obsidian develop an expansion to one of their most recent cash-cows. I think this game will be a massive success for both.

[Ponce de Leon]

Well, considering I was semi-disappointed with FO3 (It was great, sure, but was looking forward to a more FO feeling), so even if I can't wait to play it, I'll keep it cool. If it's good, hell yeah, if it's bad, I don't think so, so... you know

In other words, get it, I know it's gonna be brilliant! Also, to add, I myself found NWN2 and KotOR 2 better than the first ones... aside from NWN2's MESSY to say the least update system... 8 hours to figure it out

[NamiraWilhelm]

I actually found NWN2 really.. lacking. Loved the first one, but the second, i got to the third shadow reaver and just lost the will to go on...

[NamiraWilhelm]

I feel your pain Blasto

[Funkcase]

I'm so tempted to watch some of the live streams going up, I watched the first part of the game and quickly turned it off then. I cant wait!

[Sadinar]

I'm looking forward to the game and do not care about the graphics engine. Honestly, I would love to see a fully turn based game like the first two Fallouts even if it meant a hit on graphics. If there is a solid story and the environment feels alive, I will be happy.

[GOINxPOSTAl]

Sadinar wrote...

I'm looking forward to the game and do not care about the graphics engine. Honestly, I would love to see a fully turn based game like the first two Fallouts even if it meant a hit on graphics. If there is a solid story and the environment feels alive, I will be happy.

Im with you on everything but the whole turn based part, I like the new rpgs now cuz they kinda got rid of that part like its fun some times but after awhile it can become boring.

[AventuroLegendary]

Preordered it on steam and I now have it preloaded. Thinking of doing a Hardcore and blind Let's play, too

[ErichHartmann]

Anyone care to speculate about the average review score?

[Rockworm503]

I have scoured the internet for videos and any new infermation for the past month over this game. I've had it preordered for a while now. Its preloaded on my computer and I am CONSTANTLY watching the steam page watching that timer 2 days and 16 hours.

Assuming work doesn't work me over too much on monday (pun intended) I'm doing an all nighter.

[AventuroLegendary]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I have scoured the internet for videos and any new infermation for the past month over this game. I've had it preordered for a while now. Its preloaded on my computer and I am CONSTANTLY watching the steam page watching that timer 2 days and 16 hours.
Assuming work doesn't work me over too much on monday (pun intended) I'm doing an all nighter.

Same here. Here is some gameplay. 
Another vid.

[AventuroLegendary]

Anyone else preloaded this on steam?

[Rockworm503]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I have scoured the internet for videos and any new infermation for the past month over this game. I've had it preordered for a while now. Its preloaded on my computer and I am CONSTANTLY watching the steam page watching that timer 2 days and 16 hours.
Assuming work doesn't work me over too much on monday (pun intended) I'm doing an all nighter.

Same here. Here is some gameplay. 
Another vid.

I am interested how this guy is playing the game now.
I was ready to say seen it already but new videos are always welcome and I'm glad he left spoilers out.
But I'm having a hard time believing its legit when the game isn't avaliable to play till tuesday.

[AventuroLegendary]

Rockworm503 wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I have scoured the internet for videos and any new infermation for the past month over this game. I've had it preordered for a while now. Its preloaded on my computer and I am CONSTANTLY watching the steam page watching that timer 2 days and 16 hours.
Assuming work doesn't work me over too much on monday (pun intended) I'm doing an all nighter.

Same here. Here is some gameplay. 
Another vid.

I am interested how this guy is playing the game now.
I was ready to say seen it already but new videos are always welcome and I'm glad he left spoilers out.
But I'm having a hard time believing its legit when the game isn't avaliable to play till tuesday.

The game was released early in some stores. Why are you suprised? This happened for Modern Warfare 2 and Mass Effect 2.

[Rockworm503]

Its a steamworks game....

you have to activated it through steam and even if you have it on your computer you cannot play it until tuesday its that simple.