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[NamiraWilhelm]

WeRtheBrox wrote...

The Narrator wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

WeRtheBrox wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Boone Junior!

Is that possible in-game, or only in-brain?

In-brain  like all the best things...

well. if you became a modder you could make a child companion that resembles boone and Name it boone junior and give it a Varimant rifle was a scope xD

You skipped the part where I would take Boone and... *sigh* never mind....

They totally missed out the fun part of makig babies


On my second playthrough and i love finding the stuff i missed the first time. I obviously never went back to Michelangelo once i had enough medicine points as i had no idea about his quest... love it though. 

[AventuroLegendary]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

WeRtheBrox wrote...

The Narrator wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

WeRtheBrox wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Boone Junior!

Is that possible in-game, or only in-brain?

In-brain  like all the best things...

well. if you became a modder you could make a child companion that resembles boone and Name it boone junior and give it a Varimant rifle was a scope xD

You skipped the part where I would take Boone and... *sigh* never mind....

They totally missed out the fun part of makig babies

Let's not mention THOSE kind of mods 

[jsachun]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

@Rex & Legendary: You would think charging a deathclaw head on is suicide but the ballistic fist is definitely something I'll take a shot at when I get around to making my next melee/unarmed based character.

@Jsachun: Yet another reason why I need to try out the Wild Wasteland perk!

I was just curious about the strategies others have used. Guess I shouldn't be too discouraged about being unable to fight 3 deathclaws at once, even with a level 30 character.
~~
   As for Craig Boone........ I love this man! I'm not surprised that other members are attracted to him too, but I'm grateful that there is no suggestion of romance between the Courier and him as that would be pretty inappropriate given his backstory. Boone is someone I love to have around and he has the best personal story, by far.

Much love:kissing::

I seriously don't know about Boone. The Great Kahn seem to think his a murderer. He bloody killed his wife too as you'll find out when you do his 2nd quest, which sort of doesn't fit in with the story he tells you at the begining in Novac.



ED-E would be my favourite companion, if it wasn't for it's annoying alarm bells, everytime anything gets within it's sensors and exposes my stealth cover.



Well, back to lounging around in Hardcore mode, wondering when the Desert Survivalist achievement will unlock.

Modifié par jsachun, 07 décembre 2010 - 10:29 .

[Dreadstruck]

@jsachun
Did you actually paid attention to the story he tells you at all? He explains why he had to kill her.
And it's logical he would not open up to a stranger at the beginning. Later if you acquire these "trust points" (doing some quests for NCR etc.) he will decide to tell you the real deal. Should you ask for it.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 07 décembre 2010 - 10:58 .

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

@jsachun
Did you actually paid attention to the story he tells you at all? He explains why he had to kill her.

Yeah I did. Still seems to be the easiest way out. He could've mugged or killed one of the merchants and purchased her himself.

Perhaps the decisions he makes is determined by his lack of intellligence.

Modifié par jsachun, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[Dreadstruck]

It doesn't work that way. They would have lashed him on the cross knowing he was with the NCR. Also, it is said that she was already 'bought'? Plus he was miles away so before he could get there it would be too late.

You can even ask him why he didn't go there and tried save her, which he also explains again.

The only thing he could do was mercy-killing her(and the child because she was pregnant at that time..) in the process. And he certainly doesn't sound happy about it.<_<

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

It doesn't work that way. They would have lashed him on the cross knowing he was with the NCR. Also, it is said that she was already 'bought'? Plus he was miles away so before he could get there it would be too late.

You can even ask him why he didn't go there and tried save her, which he also explains again.

The only thing he could do was mercy-killing her in the process. And he certainly doesn't sound happy about it.<_<

Not convinced. Just like the story of killing Innocent Kahns because he was ignorant. He seems like a trigger happy psycho in my opnion based on the fact that I don't understand why he keeps killing Oscar Velasco at Bitter Springs.

Modifié par jsachun, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:15 .

[Dreadstruck]

jsachun wrote...
Not convinced. Just like the story of killing Innocent Kahns because he was ignorant.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, like me.:innocent:

By that time he was in 1st recon he obeyed his superior and opened fire, but it had a large psychological impact on the poor chap, motivating him to leave the NCR. I don't think he's that spineless like you claim.

While he doesn't seem like the brightest guy in the wastes, I think he handled himself pretty well considering the FUBAR situation.
How would you or me act in the same situation *if* we were in the Wasteland like him? Not everyone is the do-gooder smartypants Alistair.

I don't understand why he keeps killing Oscar Velasco at Bitter Springs.

Urm... that guy keeps shooting at NCR soldiers AND the unarmed refugees they take care of too. By your analogy it sounds like justifying one murderer to another.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

While he doesn't seem like the brightest guy in the wastes, I think he handled himself pretty well. How would you or me act in the same situation *if* we were in the Wasteland like him?

Well, perhaps don't do it if your going to regrett it. It's all well to think of excuses to justify your actions after, but deeply he knows what he'd done is wrong.

So why do it in the first place.

If you ask me NCR is pretty ****ed up too.

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

I don't understand why he keeps killing Oscar Velasco at Bitter Springs.

Urm... that guy keeps shooting at NCR soldiers AND the unarmed refugees they take care of too. By your analogy it sounds like justifying one murderer to another.

Yeah, but if you feel sorry for Boone and happy about him being trigger happy to the Legion, I can't see why you'd not feel the same about Oscar after the NCR masscre of the Kahns at Bitter Springs.

Modifié par jsachun, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:24 .

[Dreadstruck]

jsachun wrote...
Well, perhaps don't do it if your going to regrett it. It's all well to think of excuses to justify your actions after, but deeply he knows what he'd done is wrong.

So why do it in the first place.

If you ask me NCR is pretty ****ed up too.

I think it's the same situation with vets all over the world. Like the shellshocked troops form Vietnam war etc.

Well, NCRs seems better than the Legion to me. It's corrupt but stable. Like the current government in this world.

Yeah, but if you feel soory for Boone and happy about him being trigger
happy to the Legion, I can't see why you'd not feel the same about Oscar
after the NCR masscre of the Kahns at Bitter Springs.

Because I actually *got* to know Boone's backstory. The real deal. It's easier to trust a honest person rather than base my opinions on wild speculations.
Granted, I did not believe'd him at the start, but when I got involved in his quest, I began to udnerstand a bit.
Not everyone's perfect, and certainly not this guy, it just adds the plausibility and immerson factor for me.

Another proof that Obsidian's writing is ten times superior to Bethesda's. Hooray!

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:27 .

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

jsachun wrote...
Well, perhaps don't do it if your going to regrett it. It's all well to think of excuses to justify your actions after, but deeply he knows what he'd done is wrong.

So why do it in the first place.

If you ask me NCR is pretty ****ed up too.

I think it's the same situation with vets all over the world. Like the shellshocked troops form Vietnam war etc.

Well, NCRs seems better than the Legion to me. It's corrupt but stable. Like the current government in this world.

Kill them all or do nothing seems like the most righteous path in this story. I'll just play them out interms of usefulness and be selfish all the way.

Modifié par jsachun, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:29 .

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

 wild speculations.

Even after Boone admitts to the killing of

[Dreadstruck]

jsachun wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

 wild speculations.

Even after Boone admitts to the killing of

I am talking about Oscar. heloooooo have you read my entire reply?

[jsachun]

Avalla'ch wrote...

jsachun wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

 wild speculations.

Even after Boone admitts to the killing of

I am talking about Oscar. heloooooo have you read my entire reply?

That's exactly what I meant. NCR's masscre of Innocent Kahns is not a wild speculation but an event in NV's history. I understand your bias opnion of Boone being you companion and all. But still He'd shoot me to end my suffering & or direct orders from his superior.

If he had seekd his wife's permission then it might've been a different story. But he did not bother. How will we ever know if she preferred a life of slavery to the one of death.

Modifié par jsachun, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Dreadstruck]

jsachun wrote...
That's exactly what I meant. NCR's masscre of Innocent Kahns is not a wild speculation but an event in NV's history. I understand your bias opnion of Boone being you companion and all. But still He'd shoot me to end my suffering & or direct orders from his superior.

If he had seekd his wife's permission then it might've been a different story. But he did not bother. How will we ever know if she preferred a life of slavery to the one of death.

It's not a bias, I am just trying to look at this a bit objectively. I did not dismissed the massacre at Bitter Springs, I said that I just need a bit more *facts* about certain person before jumping into the stereotype bandwagon.
Boone at least provides an honest explanation(albeit, a weak one for some people).
Also, I don't think that his wife was 'allright'. So no comment here, I am not sure how would she react.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[DragonRacer13]

Speaking as a woman, I honestly would prefer my husband kill me (if there was nothing else he could do, which seemed to be the case with Boone) than leave me to become a slave to the Legion, who will do nothing more than rape and abuse me and then do the same to my child, if it survives the trauma its mother endures beforehand. If I was a man and became a slave, maybe I would feel differently. Not that slavery is a wonderful situation, mind you, and not like it's impossible for a man to be raped, but as a woman around those pigs, it seems a 100% guarantee that you'll be raped constantly. Or, if nothing else, used as a "breeding mare" to create more little Legionaries.

As far as Bitter Springs goes, when you're in the military and you're given an order, you follow it. Period. End of story. Can you refuse and desert? Probably. But if you do that, you're abandoning the comrades you've fought beside and who've had your back for years (not to mention the NCR would probably not take too kindly to that... in fact, you run across NCR deserters out in the watseland and they seem to be on the run in fear for their lives, so desertion seems like a crime punishable by death in this world). Boone's "choice" at Bitter Springs was not as black-and-white and clearcut as you seem to think.

EDIT: To add that, yes, I am fully aware at how hilarious that last paragraph looks in relation to my sig banner. Wanted to point out that I am aware of the irony here.

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 07 décembre 2010 - 12:28 .

[jsachun]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

than leave me to become a slave to the Legion, who will do nothing more than rape and abuse me and then do the same to my child, if it survives the trauma its mother endures EDIT: To add that, yes, I am fully aware at how hilarious that last paragraph looks in relation to my sig banner. Wanted to point out that I am aware of the irony here.

Now that is a wild speculation. Women are often raped in the normal world. I don't know what the connotaion of 'slavery' & 'rape' has got to do with it.

[Dreadstruck]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Speaking as a woman, I honestly would prefer my husband kill me (if there was nothing else he could do, which seemed to be the case with Boone) than leave me to become a slave to the Legion, who will do nothing more than rape and abuse me and then do the same to my child, if it survives the trauma its mother endures beforehand. If I was a man and became a slave, maybe I would feel differently. Not that slavery is a wonderful situation, mind you, and not like it's impossible for a man to be raped, but as a woman around those pigs, it seems a 100% guarantee that you'll be raped constantly. Or, if nothing else, used as a "breeding mare" to create more little Legionaries.

As far as Bitter Springs goes, when you're in the military and you're given an order, you follow it. Period. End of story. Can you refuse and desert? Probably. But if you do that, you're abandoning the comrades you've fought beside and who've had your back for years (not to mention the NCR would probably not take too kindly to that... in fact, you run across NCR deserters out in the watseland and they seem to be on the run in fear for their lives, so desertion seems like a crime punishable by death in this world). Boone's "choice" at Bitter Springs was not as black-and-white and clearcut as you seem to think.

EDIT: To add that, yes, I am fully aware at how hilarious that last paragraph looks in relation to my sig banner. Wanted to point out that I am aware of the irony here.

Bravo. You hit the nail on the head. Was about to write something similiar about the Bitter Springs situation, but my not-so-good english skills were restricting me quite a bit.

[DragonRacer13]

jsachun wrote...

DragonRacer13 wrote...

than leave me to become a slave to the Legion, who will do nothing more than rape and abuse me and then do the same to my child, if it survives the trauma its mother endures EDIT: To add that, yes, I am fully aware at how hilarious that last paragraph looks in relation to my sig banner. Wanted to point out that I am aware of the irony here.

Now that is a wild speculation. Women are often raped in the normal world. I don't know what the connotaion of 'slavery' & 'rape' has got to do with it.

Not wild at all. Look at the real world (where, yes, women can be raped when not slaves). Have you seriously never heard of the human slave and sex rings that still go on? Today? In the "modern" world? I can probably pull up links for proof, but prefer not to while I'm on my work computer. But I'm sure Google could enlighten you.

And to back up with Fallout lore, Fallout 3 -- Paradise Falls. I forget the name of the guy running the joint, but it was pretty darn obvious that Clover and the other slave girls he had around were being forced to perform sexual acts.

[Tentura]

DragonRacer13 wrote...
Speaking as a woman, I honestly would prefer my husband kill me (if there was nothing else he could do, which seemed to be the case with Boone) than leave me to become a slave to the Legion, who will do nothing more than rape and abuse me and then do the same to my child, if it survives the trauma its mother endures beforehand. If I was a man and became a slave, maybe I would feel differently. Not that slavery is a wonderful situation, mind you, and not like it's impossible for a man to be raped, but as a woman around those pigs, it seems a 100% guarantee that you'll be raped constantly. Or, if nothing else, used as a "breeding mare" to create more little Legionaries.

As far as Bitter Springs goes, when you're in the military and you're given an order, you follow it. Period. End of story. Can you refuse and desert? Probably. But if you do that, you're abandoning the comrades you've fought beside and who've had your back for years (not to mention the NCR would probably not take too kindly to that... in fact, you run across NCR deserters out in the watseland and they seem to be on the run in fear for their lives, so desertion seems like a crime punishable by death in this world). Boone's "choice" at Bitter Springs was not as black-and-white and clearcut as you seem to think.

I agree.  You couldn't have said it better.  There are things much worse than death, and from all indications, being a slave of the Legion is one of those things.  I don't see that Boone had any other option.  And what you've said about deserting is true - I remember the deserters you meet (in Primm I think?) mention a firing squad as their punishment if caught.  It's not like choosing to disobey orders is a simple choice.  For better or worse, in the millitary, you are taught to obey commands from your superiors.  So that's what he did.

Modifié par Tentura, 07 décembre 2010 - 04:41 .

[DragonRacer13]

Tentura wrote...
I agree.  You couldn't have said it better.  There are things much worse than death, and from all indications, being a slave of the Legion is one of those things.  I don't see that Boone had any other option.  And what you've said about deserting is true - I remember the deserters you meet (in Primm I think?) mention a firing squad as their punishment if caught. 

 
Yes, thank you! I was trying to remember where it was. It was one of my random trips back inside Vince & Vance's Casino in Primm that the group tried to come in and rob us. Former NCR troopers trying to survive on the run. Glad someone else could back me up on that.

It's not like choosing to disobey orders is a simple choice.  For better or worse, in the millitary, you are taught to obey commands from your superiors.  So that's what he did.

And without question or hesitation. As the "Charge of the Light Brigade" poem says:

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 07 décembre 2010 - 05:19 .

[Leinadi]

After the release of New Vegas, I must say that I've been very surprised just how persistent the "good vs evil" discussions have been. I think the only way the NCR could possibly be considered *good* is if you directly juxtapose them with the Legion.

They have politicians that are corrupt, there are tragedies like Bitter Springs, there is a lot of debauchery going on on the Strip and perhaps more notably, in Nipton before it was burnt, there are severe communication problems, they are aggressively pushing east in the name of taking resources, they do not outfit their soldiers properly and they do not train the soldiers properly before sending them into war.



So yeah, if you view them for what they are I hardly think they are a *good* faction just because they happen to have democratic ideals somewhere beneath all the corruption and crap. That's not an excuse for the Legion mind you, just taking a look at the NCR itself.



Though one of my problems with the game is that I think the Courier can solve a few too many of these problems on his own.