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[NamiraWilhelm]

I really struggle with the ending. I don't particularly like any of the four choices. Legion is obvious. House im not sure on... The NCR come across the type that would cause the apocalypse. Yes man seems the safest bet, though selfish. If we have to have a complete game for the DLC im gonna struggle.

[Addai]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

I really struggle with the ending. I don't particularly like any of the four choices. Legion is obvious. House im not sure on... The NCR come across the type that would cause the apocalypse. Yes man seems the safest bet, though selfish. If we have to have a complete game for the DLC im gonna struggle.

I think I'm just not going to play a complete game on replays.  I could care less about the final.  Best to see it as a sandbox, I think.

[Addai]

jsachun wrote...

I seriously don't know about Boone. The Great Kahn seem to think his a murderer. He bloody killed his wife too as you'll find out when you do his 2nd quest, which sort of doesn't fit in with the story he tells you at the begining in Novac.

The Khans are also murderers.  As Boone tells you, they even use kids to kill people.  Sergeant Bitter-Root confirms.  Doesn't make Bitter Springs any less gruesome, but it does give perspective as to why the NCR would want the civilians killed, too.  Basically, there are no civilians in the Khans.

As for his wife, if I was in her shoes, I'd have wanted a bullet in my head too.  It was a mercy killing. 

ED-E would be my favourite companion, if it wasn't for it's annoying alarm bells, everytime anything gets within it's sensors and exposes my stealth cover.

I love his bells and whistles!

I'm afraid I'm stuck with ED-E and Boone 4eva in this game.  I like them too much.

[Leinadi]

I think when discussing these things, it's really best to keep the real-world morals out of it and discuss the factions purely from characters you might create in the world. If viewed like that, I think there are arguments for the Legion (though they are sadly underdeveloped) that some types of characters would find appealing. Females are obviously a tough fit but I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch if the character could have hopes or ambitions to change the Legion (though it's not possible in the actual game), especially through dispensing the brutality that the Legion stands for in a female form. The amount of things you can accomplish would almost certainly raise eyebrows amongst them.
And I mean, as far as I know, the Legion actually never *does* anything against you as a female character. You can't participate in the arena and there are some nasty comments, but aside from that you're fully empowered if I understand things correctly.

As always, I think it's best to check your own views at the door when it comes to creating characters for roleplaying games (at least if you plan to replay them) because it can really open up a lot of the game. I don't condone cannibalism but that doesn't mean I won't play one in the game.

Modifié par Leinadi, 07 décembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Addai]

I can't find a single in-game reason to support the Legion except for being as sadistic as they are. It's not like they bring any more law, order or stability to an area than any other faction, and they do a lot of pointlessly evil things. At least the Romans and Greeks actually *accomplished* something using slave labor. These guys are just raiders in miniskirts.

[Tentura]

Addai67 wrote...
I can't find a single in-game reason to support the Legion except for being as sadistic as they are. It's not like they bring any more law, order or stability to an area than any other faction, and they do a lot of pointlessly evil things. At least the Romans and Greeks actually *accomplished* something using slave labor. These guys are just raiders in miniskirts.

I agree.  It was hard to even give them a chance after the obscene cruetly in Nipton, but I went over to the Fort with Caesar's mark, thinking I'd at least hear them out.  After they wouldn't let me fight in the arena, and that medic slave woman told me several of the men were talking about "trying me out" (or something like that)... I was seriously put off.

Sadistic raiders in miniskirts, indeed.

[The Narrator]

a patch is coming incase no one said it.

in a few weeks.



Boone was blameless for bitter springs he was under orders he had to follow.



with his wife any Sniper would have done the same.

[JackhammerGR]

The Narrator wrote...

a patch is coming incase no one said it.
in a few weeks.

Boone was blameless for bitter springs he was under orders he had to follow.

with his wife any Sniper would have done the same.

I bet that if he had the All-American marksman carbine. He would head-shot every single enemy with a clip. 24 bullets are enough I think

[The Narrator]

JackhammerGR wrote...

The Narrator wrote...

a patch is coming incase no one said it.
in a few weeks.

Boone was blameless for bitter springs he was under orders he had to follow.

with his wife any Sniper would have done the same.

I bet that if he had the All-American marksman carbine. He would head-shot every single enemy with a clip. 24 bullets are enough I think

agreed.

if he had a few hundred rounds and around 4 miles he could have done it if he got every legion with one bullet 

[JackhammerGR]

I've been wondering...Since you finish Boone's whole quest. He get's the 1st recon armor. Is it got enough DT for him or should I put him a combat armor? Also. Anti-Material rifle or marksman carbine?

[Leinadi]

But if you can't find a single in-game reason for supporting the Legion, then I think you're either placing barriers on your characters based on your own morals or you're lacking imagination (which I think is hardly true).



It's not reality after all. Go crazy with the character creation. I think the Fallouts (excluding the third one perhaps) are one of the best examples where you can really stretch your character design because you have a lot of options open to you.



Not trying to tell anyone how to play the game or anything but I really don't think it's a problem to create a character who would find the Legion appealing. A cold character? Sure, possibly psychopathic even. But that's still a character that can go a lot deeper than "mad evil character who kills everything"

[JackhammerGR]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

JackhammerGR wrote...

I've been wondering...Since you finish Boone's whole quest. He get's the 1st recon armor. Is it got enough DT for him or should I put him a combat armor? Also. Anti-Material rifle or marksman carbine?

 It has a DT of 15 and Boone holds up well in later levels on hard/very hard mode with just that on. It definitely beats the ugly combat armor.

You know...It's not about looking good in the Mojave...It's about surviving. And I'm still suprised a scarf and cutted sleeves give 5 more DT than the NCR armor....
 

[The Narrator]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Leinadi wrote...

But if you can't find a single in-game reason for supporting the Legion, then I think you're either placing barriers on your characters based on your own morals or you're lacking imagination (which I think is hardly true).

It's not reality after all. Go crazy with the character creation. I think the Fallouts (excluding the third one perhaps) are one of the best examples where you can really stretch your character design because you have a lot of options open to you.

Not trying to tell anyone how to play the game or anything but I really don't think it's a problem to create a character who would find the Legion appealing. A cold character? Sure, possibly psychopathic even. But that's still a character that can go a lot deeper than "mad evil character who kills everything"

 The problem is I can't tell whether the person arguing for the Legion is arguing from a role-playing standpoint or from their own viewpoint. I hope to god it's not the latter.

 Yeah, there are a few benefits to living under Legion rule. The problem is that those small benefits do not come close to compensating for their brutality.

i dissagree, the legion is the best hope for humanity.

[AventuroLegendary]

The Narrator wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Leinadi wrote...

But if you can't find a single in-game reason for supporting the Legion, then I think you're either placing barriers on your characters based on your own morals or you're lacking imagination (which I think is hardly true).

It's not reality after all. Go crazy with the character creation. I think the Fallouts (excluding the third one perhaps) are one of the best examples where you can really stretch your character design because you have a lot of options open to you.

Not trying to tell anyone how to play the game or anything but I really don't think it's a problem to create a character who would find the Legion appealing. A cold character? Sure, possibly psychopathic even. But that's still a character that can go a lot deeper than "mad evil character who kills everything"

 The problem is I can't tell whether the person arguing for the Legion is arguing from a role-playing standpoint or from their own viewpoint. I hope to god it's not the latter.

 Yeah, there are a few benefits to living under Legion rule. The problem is that those small benefits do not come close to compensating for their brutality.

i dissagree, the legion is the best hope for humanity.

Yep. Women all become slaves, anybody who speaks out gets crucifixed or executed, and Caesar will establish a totalitarian regime in New Vegas. Safe=/=Better.

[AventuroLegendary]

*Minor Spoiler*

Well just got Jeanie may killed again... Good riddance.

Modifié par LegendaryAvenger, 08 décembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[Addai]

Oh, I could roleplay a Legion character if I wanted to stretch it, but I tend to want to play normal human beings who have to make tough choices.

[Bryy_Miller]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Yep. Women all become slaves, anybody who speaks out gets crucifixed or executed, and Caesar will establish a totalitarian regime in New Vegas. Safe=/=Better.

I loved New Vegas' many bugs. Seeing Benny both crucified AND talking to me on the ground was hilarious. 

As was getting stuck inside a rock. 

[The Narrator]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

The Narrator wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Leinadi wrote...

But if you can't find a single in-game reason for supporting the Legion, then I think you're either placing barriers on your characters based on your own morals or you're lacking imagination (which I think is hardly true).

It's not reality after all. Go crazy with the character creation. I think the Fallouts (excluding the third one perhaps) are one of the best examples where you can really stretch your character design because you have a lot of options open to you.

Not trying to tell anyone how to play the game or anything but I really don't think it's a problem to create a character who would find the Legion appealing. A cold character? Sure, possibly psychopathic even. But that's still a character that can go a lot deeper than "mad evil character who kills everything"

 The problem is I can't tell whether the person arguing for the Legion is arguing from a role-playing standpoint or from their own viewpoint. I hope to god it's not the latter.

 Yeah, there are a few benefits to living under Legion rule. The problem is that those small benefits do not come close to compensating for their brutality.

i dissagree, the legion is the best hope for humanity.

Yep. Women all become slaves, anybody who speaks out gets crucifixed or executed, and Caesar will establish a totalitarian regime in New Vegas. Safe=/=Better.

thats only gonna last for about 40 years or so, then it will collapse, the BoS and NCR will come back to safe lands like the Franks and Germans did when the Romans Collapsed other factions will crop up, and society will rebuild in a safer enviroment

[jsachun]

Leinadi wrote...

But if you can't find a single in-game reason for supporting the Legion, then I think you're either placing barriers on your characters based on your own morals or you're lacking imagination (which I think is hardly true).

It's not reality after all. Go crazy with the character creation. I think the Fallouts (excluding the third one perhaps) are one of the best examples where you can really stretch your character design because you have a lot of options open to you.

Not trying to tell anyone how to play the game or anything but I really don't think it's a problem to create a character who would find the Legion appealing. A cold character? Sure, possibly psychopathic even. But that's still a character that can go a lot deeper than "mad evil character who kills everything"

I'm still wondering if Obsidian found a way of PC finishing a game if you decided to kill off all the major faction and failed every quest. This would really be No God, No Master.

[Morbo]

Seeing as how Obsidian recycled quite the number of things from Project Van Buren, maybe they also should've brought over the Daughters of Hecate.

The Daughters of Hecate were supposed to be a group of feared tribals where women were in absolute control, and who were led by a mad old woman who saw herself as the Roman godess Hecate. Any tribes opposing them would typically be stricken by crop failures and diseases and the likes, thanks to Hecate's extensive knowledge of plants and animals.
They were directly opposed to Caesar's Legion, as it was them who wiped out Hecate's original tribe.

[Dreadstruck]

I am actually more interested in Joshua Graham(aka the Burned Man). Heard he was burned, thrown into the canyon and hanged in Van Buren, but that made him pissed off even more. Also a possible companion which apparently every NPC in the gameworld hated. :-D

So, yeah, him and Ulysses.

But since it seems that these two guys will be eventually in a DLC, I don't see much chances for possible companions.

More like quest givers/antagonists/whatever...

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 08 décembre 2010 - 12:04 .

[HoonDing]

It is implied in the game that Julie Farkas programmed Yes Man to help Benny. This is a bit mind-boggling. The Followers are supposed to strive for an independent New Vegas, and Benny isn't exactly an improvement over Mr House.