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[B3taMaxxx]

I run with three weapons at best, which is pretty easy with my current revolver totting fem. I always keep named/unique weapons, I just dump them in a trunk when possible.



I don't think you're quite done with the gouls ReconTeam (unless "clearing the basement" meant killing them?).

[NamiraWilhelm]

B3ta or whoever else has completed Dead money, how in the hell do you use the Vendors? I know its with prewar money but but but i dont get it :/

[thegreateski]

ReconTeam wrote...
I ran into those ghouls at that rocket factory. I cleared the basement for them (no caps WTF?!) then went back to the motel. When I return I don't know how I am going to deal with them. I don't trust them, for all I know they want to use one of those rockets to lob a nuke at somebody.

Personally I shot them all. I don' t have anything against Ghouls but I do have something against cults.

That and I really don't appreciate being called ugly.

Modifié par thegreateski, 27 décembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[Leinadi]

Just finished yet another run, this time a female courier going with the NCR. Cass and ED-E were the trusted companions this time around.



I really like this game, I can see myself replaying this in many years time. Finally we see the return of a game where you can really roleplay, and really change things. The ending slides are fabulous. Cass' speech in the ending (after having helped her with her quest "the good way", and being a female main character) was totally awesome.

[Addai]

Leinadi wrote...

You're kidding, right? I might have a higher opinion of New Vegas were it not a bug-ridden disaster, but I thought Fallout 3 was still the superior game.

I dunno man. Fallout 3 is a lesser game in pretty much every way unless you literally count the "can go everywhere" as a point in its favor (which some people do, which is fine) and that there are more dungeons. What exactly is good about it when putting it against NV? Most people just seem to say "I just liked it more!" which is fine, but that seems more of a nostalgic reaction than anything else.
And like adriano_c points out, it's clearly a departure from what Fallout was about (so is New Vegas by virtue of the engine and the gameplay it brings, but it's much closer the spirit of the older games).

I never played F1 or 2 so can't compare, but I just felt like the FO3 quests and areas had more character and story to them.  As an example, there's no quest in FNV that I anticipate the way I did the Reilly's Rangers quest in FO3.  The faction quests are just hoops I've got to jump through to get them to do what I want.  Many buildings or caves I went in expecting to find something interesting and I kept looking around thinking there had to be more.  But there wasn't.    FNV feels unfinished to me, the areas don't seem to have a lot of love put in them.  The Strip is empty and repetitive.  Also, there is no build-up towards a climactic final.  The end game is such a yawn and I don't care about any of the factions.

There are little things in FNV I like, but it just seems dull overall.

[HoonDing]

I haven't even finished my second playthrough of NV... everytime I think about the boring faction quests I have to go through again in order to get to the (lame) endgame mission, I find myself quitting the game.



What the game does better than FO3 is the development of companions, but that's about it.

[Rockworm503]

I just think of the boring DC wasteland from 3 and then fall in love with New Vegas all over again... not that I need to compare the games to love NV it is superior to 3 in almost every way IMO

[Loerwyn]

virumor wrote...
What the game does better than FO3 is the development of companions, but that's about it.

They're similar but different.

I'm having a hard time getting around to playing New Vegas some more, though. I just can't be bothered.

[Dreadstruck]

virumor wrote...

I haven't even finished my second playthrough of NV... everytime I think about the boring faction quests I have to go through again in order to get to the (lame) endgame mission, I find myself quitting the game.

What the game does better than FO3 is the development of companions, but that's about it.

Seriously? That's about it? I think you are playing the wrong game here.

The game ending is not lame, it reflects on your actions and shapes the whole Mojave afterwards.
Since you are complaining about it, I am surprised that you don't feel the same about F3, since it offers just two different endings with same narration lines.. and that's about it.

No, let me guess, it didn't had Optimus Prime blowing **** left and right  so for you it wasn't epic enough?
Fallout franchise was never about Michael Bay assplushns and the "cool factor", that's why NV is MUCH more closer to the originals and better, since when I see the name FALLOUT, I expect that something that made me follow and praise the series(It'll be 8 years no I think:P), and hell, New vegas delivers what was promied.
The ElderScroll-esque dungeon crawling and tourism, while nice, is sadly pretty much everything F3 can offer.

 Also, all this stuff I see claimed for FO3 being "a better game" is nebulous subjective stuff anyway. Factually speaking, NV is VASTLY superior to it.

- Damage Threshold
- Weapons Mods
- Night Vision
- Gambling
- More dialogue/better writing
- More unmarked quests
- Traits
- Original Power armours
- Ammo making and different ammo types
- Crafting
- Poisons
- Hardcore Mode
- Better Companions with their own quests and personalities
- Return of spears
- Iron sights

Thats just off the top of my head. So much more.

- Reputation System
- Disguises
- Weapons repair kits
- Super stimpaks
- Doctor Bags
- Skill magazines
- (not important, maybe for some people) More weapons, especially the famed .223 Pistol from F1, F2. Bozar is missing though.
- it's made by Obsidian, aka the old Black Isle company who made Fallout 1 and 2.


Much of that are from the originals.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 28 décembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[HoonDing]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Also, all this stuff I see claimed for FO3 being "a better game" is nebulous subjective stuff anyway. Factually
speaking, NV is VASTLY superior to it.

Do you realize the irony in this statement?

Modifié par virumor, 28 décembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[Dreadstruck]

virumor wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

Also, all this stuff I see claimed for FO3 being "a better game" is nebulous subjective stuff anyway. Factually
speaking, NV is VASTLY superior to it.

Do you realize the irony in this statement?

Hmm, probably used wrong words. Sorry, English is not my first language.

I rephrase:
It's subjective to say that XY is better. However, looking at the facts, and then objectively comparing them yields some results too.
But let's not stray away from the main topic, as for the rest of my points being blatantly ignored, I take it you agree?

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 28 décembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

Lol, i love all the passion for Fallout in this thread

[Dreadstruck]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Lol, i love all the passion for Fallout in this thread

Nah, my little fan-boyism is nothing compared to some people on the Bethsoft forums. Be it 'the old breed' or the 'Beth-mans'.

[NamiraWilhelm]

'the old breed'? Oh dear....

[Loerwyn]

Avalla'ch wrote...
I rephrase:
It's subjective to say that XY is better. However, looking at the facts, and then objectively comparing them yields some results too.

Yeah, but we're talking about games. If you use any ratings system, even Metacritic, it falls down because it's an opinion, or a collection in Metacritic's case, and that just destroys everything. Dungeons & Dragons was critically panned by film reviewers, and the general consensus is that it's bad, but there are people out there who love it.

Fallout 3 isn't better than New Vegas, and New Vegas isn't better than Fallout 3 - It's all a matter of opinion, there's no facts around it at all.

[Dreadstruck]

Thing is, I generally dislike public reviews, since it obviously doesn't reflect everyone's.
What I had in mind, was the general stuff improvements or additions to the stock game etc.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 28 décembre 2010 - 05:41 .

[B3taMaxxx]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

B3ta or whoever else has completed Dead money, how in the hell do you use the Vendors? I know its with prewar money but but but i dont get it :/

 Well, my console isn't here at the moment (I'm dog sitting) but there's 2 ways you can sell loot/junk. One way is with the casino machines, in which you have to use Sierra Madre chips to purchase ammo, stimpaks, and so on. You will also pick up 'vendor codes' which allows you to purchase better/more items, as well as return more items. Yes, I said return. Cigerettes, pre-war clothes and pre-way money can be returned in exchange for Sierra Madre chips, which allows you to purchase more items.

 The other way is through bartenders/merchants, though this route isn't very desirable. They only have items, and few of them. They do not have money, so very little trade can be done with them. I found two of them in the dlc, though I didn't explore every nook, of which I'll be doing on my current playthrough.

 I hope this helps. If ya have any more questions you can message me via xbox live later tonight, but I won't have a computer to check the forum. My tag is almost the same as it is here, just with a space between B3ta and Maxxx
(B3ta Maxxx).

 Good luck with it (it gets really tough towards the end).

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 28 décembre 2010 - 04:33 .

[B3taMaxxx]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...
I rephrase:
It's subjective to say that XY is better. However, looking at the facts, and then objectively comparing them yields some results too.

Yeah, but we're talking about games. If you use any ratings system, even Metacritic, it falls down because it's an opinion, or a collection in Metacritic's case, and that just destroys everything. Dungeons & Dragons was critically panned by film reviewers, and the general consensus is that it's bad, but there are people out there who love it.

Fallout 3 isn't better than New Vegas, and New Vegas isn't better than Fallout 3 - It's all a matter of opinion, there's no facts around it at all.

 Yea, I hate Metacritic. It really doesn't give you a base to go off of. I prefer learning reviewer's habits/rants/raves/alliances. Plus, I only use a review to determine whether a game is a broken mess, because most of the time I know what I'll like and have been following a paticular title through its developement.

[NamiraWilhelm]

@B3ta - i wont be on live tonight so i'll just post here.



Yep ive used the machines, but the two vendors apparently are usable. They have no caps because they use prewar money. But i dont understand how to transact with them. Now, i have looked at Dead money walkthroughs, and they claim it is possible. One of them even recommends visiting them before leaving the area, since 'they're the only merchants that can afford the gold bars'. Just wondering if you knew how to use them.



Also yeah it was hard. Managed to complete it though, definitely enjoyed it.

[vometia]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

'the old breed'? Oh dear....

It's only a matter of time before someone starts going on about Oblivion/FO3 being dumbed down for casual gamers or some such.  Unless I just missed it.

I quite liked both Oblivion and Morrowind, and found precious few differences between FO3 and FNV, both of which I enjoyed.  Curiously, I still exist, in spite of the fact that the RPGer and anti-RPGer within me should have caused me to blip out of existence in a cloud of fail.  Or something like that.

[NamiraWilhelm]

@Vometia



I tend not to really scrutinize games the way a lot of people do, so i agree. Maybe that makes me stupid to not overanalyze things like that lol. I just kind of see them as the art of others, and that i can enjoy...



though i have to say i do love morrowind more than oblivion.... but they are both great loves of mine, as well as FO3 and FO:NV, and no doubt FO4 and Skyrim will be the same

[vometia]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

@Vometia

I tend not to really scrutinize games the way a lot of people do, so i agree. Maybe that makes me stupid to not overanalyze things like that lol. I just kind of see them as the art of others, and that i can enjoy...

Speaking as someone who does their share of over-analysing, I think staying well clear of that sort of thing is definitely the sensible option!  Over-analysing is a great way of missing the point entirely.

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

though i have to say i do love morrowind more than oblivion.... but they are both great loves of mine, as well as FO3 and FO:NV, and no doubt FO4 and Skyrim will be the same

I can understand that: Morrowind has its very own "something-or-other" that makes it unique: it's oddly alien and compelling.  But what always leaves me flummoxed is the people who have the attitude "I love Morrowind and hate Oblivion and everybody must agree with me lest they be condemned as a casual gamer".  Erm, riiight.

As for Skyrim, I've little doubt that despite my misgivings I'll buy it anyway and will probably completely love it.  Except for the bugs, which will doubtless drive me nuts, or at least cause an enormous torrent of moaning!

[Dreadstruck]

vometia wrote...
It's only a matter of time before someone starts going on about Oblivion/FO3 being dumbed down for casual gamers or some such.  Unless I just missed it.

Are we talking about this forum or gamer community overall?
Because it already happened.

Ahem, well, not sure if it was indirectly aimed at me, but just to clarify something: I have no, bloody, problem with Oblivion(as a fan of the BG series), Fallout 3(as a rabid fan of the Fallout series) or Call of Duty(as a whiny fan of the ArmA series).
Dumbed down or not, I must admit that F3 has its charm in the exploration and the atmosphere, but (for me) fails miserably on other accounts. I would really prefer if Beth and Obsidian worked on F4 together so we would have our fair share of brilliant gameworld/brilliant writing and game mechanics.:innocent:

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 28 décembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[Leinadi]

I think there comes a point where one definitely is over-analyzing things, and many of us are guilty of it (I certainly am). But I sort of view it as a net positive because I personally want to get away from the whole "it's just a game, just enjoy it lol" mentality. I think games, their mechanics, gameworlds and so forth *should* be well thought out.

I think it should be a goal for devs that their creations *can* be held up to close examination without falling apart completely.

I don't games to be *just* games, they should aspire to be special and well thought-out. Just like some books, some music, some movies are etc.



Of course, the Internet is what it is, so it means we get a lot of "my game is better than yours" (again, guilty of that myself, hehe). But eh, as long as there is discussion going on at the same time I figure not to take the silly remarks too seriously.

[Morbo]

Avalla'ch wrote...

.....as a fan of the BG series.....as a rabid fan of the Fallout series....as a whiny fan of the ArmA series.....

Free brownie points for you, good man!

And there has been some speculation in recent weeks about Bethesda/Zenimax possibly acquiring Obsidian (they have been buying multiple studios in the past year or so after all), so who knows, we might see some further cooperation for FO4. I really wouldn't say no to it either.