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[rayvioletta]

I don't think the purpose of this thread (or any other decent discussion thread for that matter) is to figure out what's better but to discuss and compare preferences

personally I tend to prefer single player games as it's generally easier to present a solid story with replay value through a single player game as it only has to take into account the decisions and actions of one player
multiplayer games tend to be more about competition than story, and have a harder time of presenting a story since they have to take into account the actions and decisions of multiple participants. since I prefer story driven games with replay value obviously single player games are a better fit for me

also I personally think that a multiplayer game would be best with a new franchise rather than using an already existing single player franchise. take Warcraft for example. there's absolutely no denying the sucess of World of Warcraft, it's revolutionised the MMO genre (for better or worse depending on who you ask) and after six years is still on top. pretty impressive. but will we ever see a Warcraft 4 now? probably not. and even Starcraft is leaning towards a greater emphasis on multiplayer than single player campaigns now (although thankfully does still have a solid single player campaign)
making an mmo in a franchise is pretty much the end of a single player franchise. if we were to see a Mass Effect or Dragon Age mmo would we really expect any more single player games in those universes? no, because it's near impossible to avoid them interfering with each other unless the single player game is set before the timeline of the mmo. sticking with the Warcraft example, how exactly could a WC4 possible be made now without it contradicting the mmo or negatively impacting the future content of the mmo?
another reason I hope not to see an ME or DA mmo, and another reason that The Old Republic being an mmo disappoints me, since it means we'll almost certainly never get KotOR3

[Loerwyn]

rayvioletta wrote...
but will we ever see a Warcraft 4 now? probably not. and even Starcraft is leaning towards a greater emphasis on multiplayer than single player campaigns now

Firstly, Starcraft has always had a major multiplayer component to it. The reason the original Starcraft got so popular, and continues to sell today, is because of its multiplayer. It did not achieve success on the single-player alone. It's also got two expansions coming out, both of which have a major pupose in furthering the storyline.

Secondly, Warcraft 4 may still happen. WoW is an MMORPG, Warcraft is an RTS. The existence of, for example, Might & Magic Kingdoms has not stopped Might & Magic Heroes VI from being released. Star Wars Galaxies didn't stop KotOR nor KotOR2 from being released, nor any of the other Star Wars games.

I would suspect TOR would delay a KotOR3 release, if indeed there was one back in planning, but I wouldn't say KotOR3 won't happen due to TOR. What'd happen if KotOR 3 released, anyway? We'd have fans constantly moaning about how BioWare wouldn't be developing it (An EA/BioWare & LucasArts coalition seems unlikely now; TOR was a project before the EA buy-out), about how it's being developed for 't3h casuals' and so forth. It's not a win-win situation for LucasArts, and I wouldn't be surprised if they concentrated on the more 'known' time periods.

[rayvioletta]

true about SC, the difference isn't so much in the gameplay as the emphasis. SC1 was, as far as I recall, marketed largely based on it's single player and SC2 has been marketed a lot more on multiplayer, largely due to the (possibly unexpected) popularity of multiplayer in SC1

I do doubt we'll ever see a WC4 though, or at least not while WoW is running. making the two connect would be near impossible, it'd be too difficult to say, have WoW expansion X in the timeline, followed by Warcraft 4 then WoW expansion Y
for the same reason I'd doubt we'll get KotOR 3, but since they've also now announced a book to finish (cannon) Revan's story it's even less likely

[nubbers666]

here i thought kotor 3 was the tor lol

and i hate mmo as well but that is why i will love this game you can just go through the game and do it by yourself

[JupiterAgent]

I love the star wars galaxy no matter which game is on the table. I would prefer KotoR 3 though...

An even better I idea - The Old Republic for the XBOX 360! ! !
*Wispers* I would marry Bioware...

[Icehawk7]

I would prefer KotOR 3 to TOR. Not a big MMO fan. I hate paying to play. Makes me feel like I have to play or am wasting my money.

Though Lucasarts money problems are surely over. KotOR3 may happen one day. You never know. If TOR does well, it's more justification to put out other games. Empire at War 2. Maybe a new fighter simulator.

[danker8]

I want KOTOR 3. Don't want to pay monthly fee. Want to know story of Revan.

[Skilled Seeker]

TOR all the way!

[Erunion]

danker8 wrote...

I want KOTOR 3. Don't want to pay monthly fee. Want to know story of Revan.

You're in luck - there's a book coming out that's exactly that. Titled Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan, and written by Drew Karpyshyn.

Modifié par Erunion, 01 mai 2011 - 03:52 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Revan will also be in TOR.

[rayvioletta]

Erunion wrote...

danker8 wrote...

I want KOTOR 3. Don't want to pay monthly fee. Want to know story of Revan.

You're in luck - there's a book coming out that's exactly that. Titled Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan, and written by Drew Karpyshyn.

sadly though that's cannon Revan. personally I'd rather play the story of MY Revan(s) and Exile(s)

[Skilled Seeker]

And how would you do that? KOTOR doesn't have a transfer save feature.

[rayvioletta]

no but KotOR2 had a conversation at the start which established what happened in your own KotOR1 playthrough. not perfect but vastly superior to an assumed cannon

[Skilled Seeker]

Well since its set in the Star Wars IP, there has to be a canon Revan for obvious reasons.

Anyway I don't see the big deal. You will find out what happens to Revan in the book and TOR. Just imagine your Revan in their place.

[rayvioletta]

well KotOR2 didn't have to acknowledge a cannon so in theory if there was a KotOR3 then that wouldn't either. and since two or three of my Revans are sith I think it may be awkward to imagine them in the place of cannon jedi Revan

[AxecObl]

I didn't know they were releasing a book about Revan. Awesome! I'll be picking that up for sure. Will be able to find out more about Revan without having to play TOR, nice.

[Skilled Seeker]

rayvioletta wrote...

well KotOR2 didn't have to acknowledge a cannon so in theory if there was a KotOR3 then that wouldn't either. and since two or three of my Revans are sith I think it may be awkward to imagine them in the place of cannon jedi Revan

[Abramis brama]

I want my single player KotOR 3! "insert a man swimming in pool of tears here"

I just have no interest in MMOs and I doubt we will ever get Star wars RPG ever again(or atleast a good one, considering what lucasarts is doing with the franchise).

[ZippyLemon]

Skilled Seeker wrote...[snip]

Nice easy out. I guess you settled that one.

I want another single player KotOR instalment more than anything. I have no intention of playing TOR - I don't have the time, the inclination or the money. I can only hope that once the spawn of Satan (TOR) has been out for a bit Lucasarts starts teasing what they've got planned for the Star Wars videogame mini industry.

And by god if it's another TFU there will be blood.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I would have preferred KotOR 3, definitely.  MMO's are not my style.

Having been an NWN fan and self-proclaimed Star Wars geek when KotOR came out, I adored the game and rated it 10 out of 10.  The only thing that I thought that it needed was "real' Jedi robes, and they were given to me in The Sith Lords (however I rate that one 9/10, because I liked the first one more).

I won't be buying "SW:TOR" because I'm not interested in that.  I thought KotOR 2 ended in a cliffhanger, and I hated that.  I know that was done by Obsidian and therefore probably out of Bioware's hands, but I really wanted to see the rest of Revan's story.

[elitecom]

I don't play MMOs, so the decision was a let down for me, it's a bit unfortunate that story ends here for me. It would be awesome if Bioware did KotOR 3 instead, but they were already working on the Mass Effect series, so I suppose two Sci-Fi RPGs side by side is a bit too much.

Anyways between ToR and KotOR 3 I'd pick KotOR 3 over ToR any day.

[darth mark]

i guess by reading through all these comments i guess its kotor 3. i would choose kotor 3. i cannot get into mmorpgs:D

Modifié par darth mark, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:23 .

[nubbers666]

umm hate to break it to you but
kotor and tor are pretty much the same thing lol just as a multi or single player

[elitecom]

Besides the clear factors that I don't like MMOs much(due to their subscription fees), there's another factor involving Revan.
 
The thing that TOR also does with its story is it really undermines Revan as a character. First I must say that Bioware has really done an awesome job with the story(most of it), the trailers, and all. I mean for a Star Wars fan as myself it really looks enticing. However there's a problem, as I said it undermines Revan as a character.
 
So TOR's story is set during the aftermath of a war between the Sith Empire and the Republic. However this Sith Empire isn't any regular Sith Empire, it's a remnant from the first Sith Empire created by Naga Sadow and the ancient Sith. These Sith are then the supposedly the "True Sith" Kreia mentions at the end of KotOR 2. Then of course as you can see in the archives videos on TOR's website, it depicts and states that Revan falls under the Sith Emperor's influence and effectively becoming his pawn. He then as is known starts his quest for the Star Forge and launches his attack on the Republic, as a prelude to the Sith's invasion, at least that's what I made of it.
 
What's the issue here then? Well as I said it really undermines Revan as a character, he's reduced to some pawn falling under this emperor's influence. Nothing more than a pawn, a tool, he's reduced to a tool to put it in blunt terms.
 
This creates even more conflict with what was established in KotOR 2. Where it was explained that Revan wasn't trying to destroy the Republic, he was actually trying to strengthen it. By using HK-47 he assassinated unstable politicians, effectively removing unstable governments. He never struck key industrial facilities, he took great care to preserve the infrastructure of the Republic. I can actually imagine based on the fact that Canderous said that it was Malak who ordered the attack on Telos that Revan must've been quite furious with Malak for doing so. So basically KotOR 2 established that Revan wasn't trying to destroy the Republic but preserve it for a coming attack. This would mean that Revan was aware of the "True Sith" and actively worked against them, which would imply that he wasn't a pawn of the Sith Emperor, but a strong willed individual doing what he believed was right. Just as KotOR 1 and KotOR 2 portrayed Revan.
 
What TOR indicates however is that Revan failed, and is either dead or somehow alive or preserved in some way. TOR's portrayal of Revan in my opinion conflicts with what KoTOR 1 and KotOR 2 portrayed, thereby undermining Revan as a character. Now I mean the story and the game looks quite enticing, yet it also undermines Revan. I'd find that difficult to come to terms with, especially when considering what was experienced in KotOR 1 and KotOR 2. Revan deserves better than what he has received.

[bella127]

The internet connection here in South Africa is too slow to handle a MMO, so I definitely would prefer KOTOR 3