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[Maria Caliban]

Not going to happen. This is why I preferred the cover of the Mass Effect 2 CE.

[GodWood]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Not going to happen. This is why I preferred the cover of the Mass Effect 2 CE.

Same.
Except who's staring back at you when you take the case out of the box?
Thats right Shep mother****ing Loo.

[Ziggy]

Would be nice but the only official thing we have for femhawke right now is a single screen shot, and that took ages to come out.

I think we've a long long way to go before they consider giving her box art space.

[Allison W]

Liable****sman wrote...

Allison W wrote...

I can only imagine it's a privilege thing and has to do with perceptions of nonwhites and women as "lesser" or "other," and that no one wants to get moved down the societal totem pole, even vicariously.

What, really?

I mean, really?

Yes, prejudice still exists in this world. I didn't say it was conscious, or that it was universal, or that you're to blame.

[AlexXIV]

Allison W wrote...

Liable****sman wrote...

Allison W wrote...

I can only imagine it's a privilege thing and has to do with perceptions of nonwhites and women as "lesser" or "other," and that no one wants to get moved down the societal totem pole, even vicariously.

What, really?

I mean, really?

Yes, prejudice still exists in this world. I didn't say it was conscious, or that it was universal, or that you're to blame.

Hm I don't even think it is about concscious or subconscious. Simply there are things you cannot say in public, unless you do it anonymously (i.e. internet).

Not saying that Bioware are either racist or sexist, they probably are the ones who are most balanced about sexes and races imo. But even if a company were, for whatever reason, they would find excuses and what not to get away with it without stirring the public uproar.

Anyway, there are alot of female players present on this forum but I think that Bioware customers are still mostly male. Probably between 80 and 90 percent. And even those who are bothered with a male protagonist being used for advertisement are just a minority.

Doing extra stuff for minorities just doesn't pay well. Unless you focus on minorities only, which would be a bad idea in this case.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 11 décembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Sharn01]

I think it would be great to have Lady Hawke on the cover, I dont think it will happen but lots of things I like and would be willing to do will never be considered.

[TeaCokeProphet]

The target demographic is a male audience. They will advertise based on that. I'm not sure that societal/cultural bias against women comes into it, but I don't doubt the probability.

[Maria Caliban]

FYI: BioWare has no control over the box art. That's the publisher's decision.

[Inzhuna]

I would love to see that, but not going to happen in near future, sadly.



Hell, we only had ONE official screenshot of female Hawke as opposed to how many Garret Hawke screenshots/trailers? It was the same with Origins.

The fact that showing fem!Hawke would be 'confusing' is such a lame excuse.

[tishyw]

While I'd love to see Lady Hawke get some cover time, this might be a case of be careful what you ask for. I remember many years ago almost not buying the first Elder Scrolls game (Arena), because of the ludicrously tiny chain mail bikini the female on the cover was wearing.

[Altima Darkspells]

I plan to tape Aimo's DA2 cover art over my SE's box. If I get DA2.

[SirGladiator]

Its just impossible to guess what makes the marketing folks take the attitude they do. Is it just that they don't bother thinking, they just assume that since most gamers are male that they'd prefer to see a dude on the box instead of an attractive female? Because obviously thats an attitude born of very little thought indeed. Whether its the box cover, or the ads, or the demo videos, etc. you'd think they would realize its quite an advantage to use an attractive female over a random dude, but again you have to actually think about it, instead of just going with some preconceived notion formed without actual thought. I'd love to see more Lady Hawke whether it be in the box art or wherever, it would certainly be a smart move on their part, but I just don't think their marketing folks are capable of figuring that out, they certainly havent been up to this point. Happily the Devs themselves know what the fans want, which is why the games are so good in the first place, and ultimately that's all that really matters .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Honestly? I've learned to ignore the marketing. For any game, not just BioWare's. Marketing for video games is rarely accurate to how the game itself actually is, especially RPGs. It's just not possible to capture the nuances in static images or 30 second clips.



So as long as game itself is good, I don't give a damn whether the person on the cover is male, female, or a ball of radioactive kittens.

[KLUME777]

Also, that Box Art may not be permanent, they could change it by the time the game is released.

[MoogleNut]

I didn't even know I could play as Femshep when I first bought Mass Effect. I'd simply heard it was an amazing game and was, infact the sole reason I wanted an Xbox.

As a lesbian gamer I was pretty much resigned to playing straight men or even worse over-sexualised women, so imagine my surprise to find that not only could I create a character who not only looks like me, but is as strong a personality as the male version, and is treated the same in-game as her male counterpart. (The overwhelming ickiness of the Jacob thing not withstanding)

Even better when a certain blue lady started chatting her up...needless to say i've been hooked on Bioware ever since.

Yes, it would be amazing for LadyHawke to have even a quarter of the publicity MaleHawke gets, but we all know it's not going to happen. Even so, the fact that Bioware at least lets me play as not only a strong woman, but a lesbian more than makes up for it.

[KLUME777]

MoogleNut wrote...

I didn't even know I could play as Femshep when I first bought Mass Effect. I'd simply heard it was an amazing game and was, infact the sole reason I wanted an Xbox.

Same, i was wondering wether i could change my characters gender, appearance or name, and it was also the sole reason i bought an Xbox.

In the 2 years ive owned an Xbox, the only games ive bought for it are Gears of War 1&2, and Mass Effect 1&2 (My main is PS3).

[rabbitchannel]

GodWood wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Not going to happen. This is why I preferred the cover of the Mass Effect 2 CE.

Same.
Except who's staring back at you when you take the case out of the box?
Thats right Shep mother****ing Loo.

Odd... my CE actually has MaleShep on the front. :\\

I only play female characters as well. I don't really expect Bioware to market games with a female lead anymore. I just wish they make the differences clear. That means not recycling bodies and walking/running animations. KotoR did that beautifully. 

[JConst]

Actually, I'm a guy and I prefer Lady Hawke on box cover.
I don't know where did this assumption, that men prefers man on cover or playing only as male character,
come from, but it is so wrong. I mean, look at Tomb Rider, Bayonetta, Heavenly Sword etc. Who do you think play it? Girls only? 
Truth is, people, both genders, love female lead characters. And marketing folks should definitely use this love against us, average mindless players.
 

[GodWood]

JConst wrote...
Actually, I'm a guy and I prefer Lady Hawke on box cover.
I don't know where did this assumption, that men prefers man on cover or playing only as male character,
come from, but it is so wrong. I mean, look at Tomb Rider, Bayonetta, Heavenly Sword etc. Who do you think play it? Girls only? 
Truth is, people, both genders, love female lead characters. And marketing folks should definitely use this love against us, average mindless players.

So you think having Lady Hawke over-sexualized to the extreme (ala the 3 games you mentioned) as the cover art is a fair compromise?

[Marionetten]

Personally, I'd love to see something like this again.

[mousestalker]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

The target demographic is a male audience. They will advertise based on that. I'm not sure that societal/cultural bias against women comes into it, but I don't doubt the probability.

*Sarcasm*
And guys don't like to look at attractive women. That's why absolutely no advertising directed at men ever has any women in it. Guys just will not buy products with women on the cover.
/Sarcasm

[JConst]

GodWood wrote...

JConst wrote...
Actually, I'm a guy and I prefer Lady Hawke on box cover.
I don't know where did this assumption, that men prefers man on cover or playing only as male character,
come from, but it is so wrong. I mean, look at Tomb Rider, Bayonetta, Heavenly Sword etc. Who do you think play it? Girls only? 
Truth is, people, both genders, love female lead characters. And marketing folks should definitely use this love against us, average mindless players.

So you think having Lady Hawke over-sexualized to the extreme (ala the 3 games you mentioned) as the cover art is a fair compromise?

Of course no. It would be similar to MaleHawke art. Who said it should be over-sexualized to the extreme LadyHawke?

[GodWood]

JConst wrote...

GodWood wrote...

JConst wrote...
Actually, I'm a guy and I prefer Lady Hawke on box cover.
I don't know where did this assumption, that men prefers man on cover or playing only as male character,
come from, but it is so wrong. I mean, look at Tomb Rider, Bayonetta, Heavenly Sword etc. Who do you think play it? Girls only? 
Truth is, people, both genders, love female lead characters. And marketing folks should definitely use this love against us, average mindless players.

So you think having Lady Hawke over-sexualized to the extreme (ala the 3 games you mentioned) as the cover art is a fair compromise?

Of course no. It would be similar to MaleHawke art. Who said it should be over-sexualized to the extreme LadyHawke?

The three game's you used as examples have overly sexualized cover females.

Modifié par GodWood, 11 décembre 2010 - 02:41 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I don't understand why someone would insist on only playing one gender in a game like Dragon Age. Assuming, of course, that you are playing more than one play-through.



You miss out on some of the differences, albeit minor, between the genders. For instance the Elven alienage differences, the noble hunters for male Aeducan or Cullens reaction to you for a female mage.