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[PsychoBlonde]

mopotter wrote...

I do agree with you on this, and it means that the women, like me, who do play but who prefer to play a women when possible, will pass up on a game like ME for one that does show a female, so while they aren't losing a lot of sales, the could add more sales by giving some indication that you can play as either.  Of course I'm always on the boards so when Chris said we could play either I believed him.

Oh, I'm in this camp too, believe me--but that also means I don't pick up most of my games via casual browsing.  Granted, I have gotten a few this way in the past.  Some of them were really awesome, some of them were meh--and I always got them when they'd gone down substantially in price.

They might get more of this type of customer if they drop the price sooner after initial release instead of trying to have it be $60 for months and months.  I'm paying extra for same-day shipping already, so i'm prepared to spend like $80 to have the signature edition of DA2 right when it comes out--but they might get more sales overall if they capitalize on the casual people (in their buying decisions, not necessarily meaning that they play "casual games") by having the game be $30 by May.

Who knows, this is Marketing's job.

[AlexXIV]

Funny about Kotor2 was that it actually featured a male protagonist as well. But then turned out the Exile is cannonically female. Makes you think. And the uproar when it was announced ...

[mopotter]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

mopotter wrote...

All they would have to do is under the two figures write  "Who will YOU be?  and on the back where game information list some of the things you can choose.  Do you want be male or female; Rogue, Warrior or Mage; chose your companions to save Kirkwill or destroy those who trust you.  Bla bla bla...., 

Explaining your iconic imagery is dillution, but the first part of that "who will you be" is worth exploring; It's been done before, the trouble is what you're roughly saying with that is that who you play is critical to the game, which in this case is unlikely.

Everything has been done before one way or another.    But I'm not sure why it's not critical who you play.  Mayb e if it's not an important part of the game, but for me who I play is an important part.      

[Ziggeh]

mopotter wrote...

Everything has been done before one way or another.    But I'm not sure why it's not critical who you play.  Mayb e if it's not an important part of the game, but for me who I play is an important part.

Ah, no, I wasn't very clear there, apologies, I mean: there are previous examples of this, so it's definitely a way they might have gone.

As to who you're actually playing, the games that have done that have played up the fact that the initial choice has an impact upon the story, in the way that Origins sorta did. A "choose your path" statement that's not really appropriate here.

[mopotter]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...
What I'm saying is it's not to late to make a limited edition Lady Hawke Cover.

And all I'm doing is explaining why this is hugely unlikely.

I don't think it's a good thing, it's just what there is. I think it's boring, more than anything, to roll out the same tactics that everybody falls back on, but I appreciate there are good reasons they do.

I agree.  Highly unlikely.  But while I understand their reasons, I won't every think they are good reasons.     

[Maria13]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Let's be honest: a woman couldn't take down the Chantry.

Especially since one set it up in the first place...

[mopotter]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

mopotter wrote...

I do agree with you on this, and it means that the women, like me, who do play but who prefer to play a women when possible, will pass up on a game like ME for one that does show a female, so while they aren't losing a lot of sales, the could add more sales by giving some indication that you can play as either.  Of course I'm always on the boards so when Chris said we could play either I believed him.

Oh, I'm in this camp too, believe me--but that also means I don't pick up most of my games via casual browsing.  Granted, I have gotten a few this way in the past.  Some of them were really awesome, some of them were meh--and I always got them when they'd gone down substantially in price.

They might get more of this type of customer if they drop the price sooner after initial release instead of trying to have it be $60 for months and months.  I'm paying extra for same-day shipping already, so i'm prepared to spend like $80 to have the signature edition of DA2 right when it comes out--but they might get more sales overall if they capitalize on the casual people (in their buying decisions, not necessarily meaning that they play "casual games") by having the game be $30 by May.

Who knows, this is Marketing's job.

I get my games from BioWare, (I'll always pre-order their games ) or other gamers, like you, who mention something I'll check out.  
I also check out pre-owned games at the store if they are cheap enough.  I like Bethesda games, Morrowind, Oblivion, but I didn't pick up Fall out 3 until I read somewhere on this site that I could play a female.  
Side note - I will play some games that only have a male character, but not many and I usually don't keep them.  

[mopotter]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Everything has been done before one way or another.    But I'm not sure why it's not critical who you play.  Mayb e if it's not an important part of the game, but for me who I play is an important part.

Ah, no, I wasn't very clear there, apologies, I mean: there are previous examples of this, so it's definitely a way they might have gone.

As to who you're actually playing, the games that have done that have played up the fact that the initial choice has an impact upon the story, in the way that Origins sorta did. A "choose your path" statement that's not really appropriate here.

Got it.    

[Maria13]

Liable****sman wrote...

I'm sorry to appear a little rude here, but: WAH WAH WAH.

What do you expect?
Bioware aren't even designing the covers, the publishers (EA) are.

They want a clear, iconic image to represent the main character. They want the good old "Wow, that guy is cool!" reaction, not the "There are two people here, in order to know more about this game, i need to read on the box, as I cannot be certain of who or what is going on.".

Why is that hard to understand?

Had their audience for the title been predominently female, you can bet your ass the face on the cover would be "FemHawke".

It's not hard to understand, it's obvious, crass and simplistic, like your nick really...

[Liablecocksman]

Maria13 wrote...
It's not hard to understand, it's obvious, crass and simplistic, like your nick really...

Crass I can accept, but how is my alias "obvious" or "simplistic"?

[upsettingshorts]

Liable****sman wrote...

Crass I can accept, but how is my alias "obvious" or "simplistic"?

The first thing that comes to mind when I try to decipher your username is "positive paternity test."

[Liablecocksman]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
The first thing that comes to mind when I try to decipher your username is "positive paternity test."

You must be some sort of magician

[What is this]

changing the Game cover art isn't a "little" request



We don't need to plaster fem Hawke everywhere

[Russalka]

Yes, everywhere. Even having her on one screenshot was too much!

[Maria13]

Liable****sman wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
It's not hard to understand, it's obvious, crass and simplistic, like your nick really...

Crass I can accept, but how is my alias "obvious" or "simplistic"?

Well you say you are a man and you have a c**k... And may be liable... Seems obvious and simplistic to me...

Modifié par Maria13, 11 décembre 2010 - 11:42 .

[Crimson Invictus]

I don't feel as having two versions of the same cover art is really worth the fuss such a thing would cause.

What is this wrote...
We don't need to plaster fem Hawke everywhere

Or anywhere it seems, in this case.

[What is this]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

I don't feel as having two versions of the same cover art is really worth the fuss such a thing would cause.

What is this wrote...
We don't need to plaster fem Hawke everywhere

Or anywhere it seems, in this case.

She get's enough attention, The artist and marketing need to set their priorities, Showing Fem Hawke and Male  Hawke in every Trailer and switching them out in every screenshot is unnessacary.  Why does she even need more attention anyways? What marketing decides to show is up to them inorder to maxismize sales without sacrificing budget on useless fan service. Fem Hawke not being on the cover isn't going to affect your game.

[Maria13]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

I don't feel as having two versions of the same cover art is really worth the fuss such a thing would cause.

What is this wrote...
We don't need to plaster fem Hawke everywhere

Or anywhere it seems, in this case.

Yes, that, let's pretend she doesn't exist...

"Who that woman? No idea who she is, at all, really..."

[Liablecocksman]

Maria13 wrote...
Well you say you are a man and you have a c**k... And may be liable... Seems obvious and simplistic to me...

Now you're the one being crass.

[ErichHartmann]

What is this wrote...

She get's enough attention, The artist and marketing need to set their priorities, Showing Fem Hawke and Male  Hawke in every Trailer and switching them out in every screenshot is unnessacary.  Why does she even need more attention anyways? What marketing decides to show is up to them inorder to maxismize sales without sacrificing budget on useless fan service. Fem Hawke not being on the cover isn't going to affect your game.

No exposure equals enough attention in your mind?

[Crimson Invictus]

What is this wrote...
She get's enough attention, The artist and marketing need to set their priorities, Showing Fem Hawke and Male Hawke in every Trailer and switching them out in every screenshot is unnessacary. Why does she even need more attention anyways? What marketing decides to show is up to them inorder to maxismize sales without sacrificing budget on useless fan service. Fem Hawke not being on the cover isn't going to affect your game.

I'm unsure why you quoted me.

Maria13 wrote...
Yes, that, let's pretend she doesn't exist...

"Who that woman? No idea who she is, at all, really..."

Is this you expressing contempt at what you feel I'm saying or agreeing with me?

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 11 décembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Maria13]

Liable****sman wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
Well you say you are a man and you have a c**k... And may be liable... Seems obvious and simplistic to me...

Now you're the one being crass.

You asked.  I just quoted your name back at you...

[What is this]

ErichHartmann wrote...

What is this wrote...

She get's enough attention, The artist and marketing need to set their priorities, Showing Fem Hawke and Male  Hawke in every Trailer and switching them out in every screenshot is unnessacary.  Why does she even need more attention anyways? What marketing decides to show is up to them inorder to maxismize sales without sacrificing budget on useless fan service. Fem Hawke not being on the cover isn't going to affect your game.

No exposure equals enough attention in your mind?

She does have exposure,
We have the screenshot of her and know what she looks like, you don't need anything else. You can get more exposure to her when you buy the game. not seeing what each of her animations look like pre release isn't a big deal as some of you make it out to be, i think they've already shown far too much of Hawke in general.

[Maria13]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

What is this wrote...
She get's enough attention, The artist and marketing need to set their priorities, Showing Fem Hawke and Male Hawke in every Trailer and switching them out in every screenshot is unnessacary. Why does she even need more attention anyways? What marketing decides to show is up to them inorder to maxismize sales without sacrificing budget on useless fan service. Fem Hawke not being on the cover isn't going to affect your game.

I'm unsure why you quoted me.

Maria13 wrote...
Yes, that, let's pretend she doesn't exist...

"Who that woman? No idea who she is, at all, really..."

Is this you expressing contempt at what you feel I'm saying or agreeing with me?

I'm agreeing with you and adding sarcasm to your point.  Which is a good one...

[Apollo Starflare]

I've always thought the best solution would be to go back to art montage covers with lots of characters and such (channel the Drew Struzan!) In that style it would be quite easy to put both male and female versions of the protagonist on the cover without it being overly confusing for the general public. I swear they did this before with Jade Empire.

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Don't a lot of guys play a female character so they can stare at a nicely rounded backside? So say the forumites, anyway.

I'm pretty sure that is in many cases a desperate attempt to sound slightly more manly around others, since guys playing as female characters seems to be only a little more socially acceptable than being a furry to some people.

And no, I don't care about guys playing as a female character.

Heh I think you are right, although personally I've never fond the need to sound more manly around others myself, nor find manly reasons as to why I predominantly play female characters. I think at last count I owe my former housemate at least 108 man cards for precisely this reason.