How about a whole trailer full of mage Hawke? How about every preview featuring rogue Hawke?What is this wrote...
Devil's advocate mostly
How many screenshots do we have of Rogue Hawke or Mage Hawke? I think the actual game play classes are a bit more important than character customization.
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?Liable****sman wrote...
Maria13 wrote...
As they say: Quote your sources.
You don't even know what my request is, do you? You are simply dismissing everything we say out of hand based on what you alledge is a knowledge of marketing... Point is this marketing is made by men to favour men, and sorry dude, that is sexism, you just don't happen to notice it because you are a man, and you don't care again because you are a man. 'Twere the boot on the other foot, this board would be chocker with indignant manhood.
Again, I don't think the idea that making more money is better than making less money is sexist.
Had the market been predominately female, the cover-art would certainly feature the feminine version of Hawke.
SLC wrote...
Yeah, I've heard plenty of people praise female shepard over male, and obviously they work hard to make strong female leads, but they never market them! In fact, when looking at the trailor and making of dragon age 2, I got PISSED because I thought you had to be a pre-made male. Now I'm on here solely to find out about this supposed female version of the main character. Bioware, you break ground, and then you completely cover it up, what's the deal?
Addai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?
Ah, well, someone has to, eventually, or systems begin to stagnate.Liable****sman wrote...
You don't.
You stick to what you know, and refrain from taking any risks.
ziggehunderslash wrote...
Ah, well, someone has to, eventually, or systems begin to stagnate.Liable****sman wrote...
You don't.
You stick to what you know, and refrain from taking any risks.
The question is should it be bioware, and should it be now? Probably not, all things considered. But it'd be good to see.
SLC wrote...
I kind of liked the box art from Origins, which had no people on it--it's so common to have a bunch of characters in quasi-dramatic poses on cover art that the more abstract stuff feels better branded and more distinct to me.
Liable****sman wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?
You don't.
You stick to what you know, and refrain from taking any risks.
mhendon wrote...
SLC wrote...
I kind of liked the box art from Origins, which had no people on it--it's so common to have a bunch of characters in quasi-dramatic poses on cover art that the more abstract stuff feels better branded and more distinct to me.
Indeed. Who could forget this monstrosity?
www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mass_effect_2_pc.jpg
DA:O's cover art stood out, as did Awakening's. The minimalism was refreshing
I would like Lady Hawke to be in the art for DAII somewhere, maybe not neccarily on the cover along with male Hawke. However, I don't think it will happen. I can understand why Bioware sticks with male protagonists as I suspect most of the market is male, but I don't understand why we haven't even heard Lady Hawke's voice yet (wait... have we?...). I'm reminded of watching some of the behind the scenes stuff for ME2. They were talking about the voice actors. Of course Mike Meer had his moment but the fact that there even WAS a female option was completely ignored.
Again I realize most gamers are male, but would it hurt to throw the lady's a bone every once in awhile? I want to be able to identify with our protagonist as well.
Sharn01 wrote...
Liable****sman wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?
You don't.
You stick to what you know, and refrain from taking any risks.
If Bioware actually followed that logic in everything, many of the people being accused of whining would be getting called fanboys, and vice versa. If they can do it with the game itself, why not push the boundaries a bit more with the marketing. No one expects Lady Hawke to be on the cover instead of Male Hawke, but some screen shots and maybe a vid or two would be nice, it would definately show a move in a new direction that a lot of people would find refreshing.
Modifié par DaewaNya, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:36 .
Lisa_H wrote...
I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I can not see the problem with showing both male and female Hawke. Some say people would get confused, but there ARE two versions of Hawke. Isn't more confusing to only show one version. I have friends who planned not to buy Mass Effect because they thought there was no female option.
Sharn01 wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I can not see the problem with showing both male and female Hawke. Some say people would get confused, but there ARE two versions of Hawke. Isn't more confusing to only show one version. I have friends who planned not to buy Mass Effect because they thought there was no female option.
I had a friend who was playing Mass Effect and did not realize there was a female option.
Sharn01 wrote...
Lisa_H wrote...
I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I can not see the problem with showing both male and female Hawke. Some say people would get confused, but there ARE two versions of Hawke. Isn't more confusing to only show one version. I have friends who planned not to buy Mass Effect because they thought there was no female option.
I had a friend who was playing Mass Effect and did not realize there was a female option.
Sharn01 wrote...
Niether of those posts are actually true in his defense. You are offered the default Sheploo model to jump right in the game with, and then given the option to make a custom Shep, unless you actually go the the customize page, you will never see the option to play a female Shepard.
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Would you look at this, mopotter, our civilized discussion earlier about the merits/downfalls of various marketing stances has been replaced with what appears to be an adolescent and a screaming feminist banshee.
Oh well.
I got up this morning and started reading, was a little surprised it wasn't locked yet.
Altima Darkspells wrote...
PsychoBlonde wrote...
There's actually an article up on the escapist about the Mass Effect 2 statistics (on Destructiod), and some of the devs have been on here quoting similar statistics for Dragon Age--how male human noble was by far the most popular character selection, for instance. By the numbers, MaleHawke is your demographic base.
I'm not sure the ME1/2 statistics are anything to go by, either. Remember, iconic Shepard was chosen fairly early, and pretty much no mention of a female Shepard was ever made in many, many, MANY videos with both games. How many players were shocked to discover that Shepard could be anything other than Generic McActionGuy? How many potential customers were alienated that it appeared to be another typical Rated M For Manly shooter?
Several people on the board have said that they were surprised that one could play as a female Shepard--one person only discovered the fact six MONTHS after the game was even released. How many other potential female customers passed on the game in the same way?
It's a vicious cycle. Despite forty percent of the video game market being made up by females, many companies try to pretend that they frankly don't exist. However, if that growth occured despite the demographic being out-and-out ignored, what would happen if the fair sex were actually pandered to, for once?
People say that marketing is directed at males because they make up the majority of the market. Fair enough, but conversely, one could say they only make up a majority because they're the only ones being targeted.
Liable****sman wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?
You don't.
You stick to what you know, and refrain from taking any risks.
mopotter wrote...
Liable****sman wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?
You don't.
You stick to what you know, and refrain from taking any risks.
Which of course means you don't grow and just become stagnant. But your right. Sad as I find that. Maybe by the time my niece's daughter who is 5 and loves video games, grows up, it will start to change.
I think clarity and lack-of-any-possible-confusion trumps telling the whole truth. In advertising.Lisa_H wrote...
I would love to see Lady Hawke in the marketing. I can not see the problem with showing both male and female Hawke. Some say people would get confused, but there ARE two versions of Hawke. Isn't more confusing to only show one version.
If they "planned not to" get ME for a specific reason, you'd think they'd be capable of a simple googlifying to confirm it was indeed the case.I have friends who planned not to buy Mass Effect because they thought there was no female option.
I remember one - professional! - reviewer telling the world that ME1 was too hard. Then it was revealed that he'd simply not used any skill points during the entire game. Now, I try to cut back on my gleeful malice, but I really, really hope he got fired.Sharn01 wrote...
I had a friend who was playing Mass Effect and did not realize there was a female option.
Modifié par Stick668, 12 décembre 2010 - 04:07 .
Lol i do have my facts straight, from the previews we know rogue hawke can do a backflipAddai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?Liable****sman wrote...
Maria13 wrote...
As they say: Quote your sources.
You don't even know what my request is, do you? You are simply dismissing everything we say out of hand based on what you alledge is a knowledge of marketing... Point is this marketing is made by men to favour men, and sorry dude, that is sexism, you just don't happen to notice it because you are a man, and you don't care again because you are a man. 'Twere the boot on the other foot, this board would be chocker with indignant manhood.
Again, I don't think the idea that making more money is better than making less money is sexist.
Had the market been predominately female, the cover-art would certainly feature the feminine version of Hawke.
They do throw the female market a bone,Addai67 wrote...
There is plenty of female market that you can throw in a bone once in awhile. And if you consistently don't, how do you expect to ever attract a new market?Liable****sman wrote...
Maria13 wrote...
As they say: Quote your sources.
You don't even know what my request is, do you? You are simply dismissing everything we say out of hand based on what you alledge is a knowledge of marketing... Point is this marketing is made by men to favour men, and sorry dude, that is sexism, you just don't happen to notice it because you are a man, and you don't care again because you are a man. 'Twere the boot on the other foot, this board would be chocker with indignant manhood.
Again, I don't think the idea that making more money is better than making less money is sexist.
Had the market been predominately female, the cover-art would certainly feature the feminine version of Hawke.
Modifié par What is this, 12 décembre 2010 - 04:19 .
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