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[blothulfur]

A wastrel young dandy facade that hides the fact you are a spy and assassin for noble origins (they seek him here, they seek him there). A scout/hunter who has spent some time behind enemy lines in the army and picked up a few useful skills for a commoner. A wolfshead/highwayman that preyed on the merchants passing through lothering and was always one step ahead of the headsman for the naughty bunnies.

[upsettingshorts]

wildannie wrote...
I can never get going as a warrior - I just get bored with their slowness.

One thing's for sure:  That certainly doesn't appear to be a problem in DA:2.

[Herr Uhl]

Rogues make much more fun schemers than warriors.



Then again, I've almost always played either rogue or mage classes, so I'm biased.

[wildannie]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

wildannie wrote...
I can never get going as a warrior - I just get bored with their slowness.

One thing's for sure:  That certainly doesn't appear to be a problem in DA:2.

I'll definitely give them a go again  roll on march .

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Rogues make much more fun schemers than warriors.

For some reason I always think of my warriors and mages as much more conscious of their own power and strength and therefore more ambitious than my rogues.

My rogues are often practical to a fault because they are aware of their limitations.

It's interesting how we can all come up with these different things, though.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 octobre 2010 - 06:26 .

[tmp7704]

wildannie wrote...

I can never get going as a warrior - I just get bored with their slowness.

There isn't any speed difference between dual-wielding warrior and rogue, is there?

[errant_knight]

tmp7704 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I can never get going as a warrior - I just get bored with their slowness.

There isn't any speed difference between dual-wielding warrior and rogue, is there?

Not if they're spec'd for dexterity. A sword and shield warrior is a whole lot faster with high dexterity, too, although not duel-wield fast

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I can never get going as a warrior - I just get bored with their slowness.

There isn't any speed difference between dual-wielding warrior and rogue, is there?

A DW can run Momentum.  Plus you have more offense power whereas a S & S is set up to be defensive as well as offensive.  That's supposed to be the strength of S & S but it makes for extremely tedious gameplay.

[Meltemph]

Not if they're spec'd for dexterity.

Ya, I found that a bit dumb, personally. Dual wield warrior or rogue was indistinguishable between each other. It is more the reason why I was ok with the DW changes in 2. I mean, the best outcome would have been both classes having DW, just different from each other ability and animation wise, but not hat big of a deal to me, since I can still DW.

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

Not if they're spec'd for dexterity. A sword and shield warrior is a whole lot faster with high dexterity, too, although not duel-wield fast

Really? I wasn't aware dexterity gives any sort of bonus to animation/attack speed. The game certainly doesn't seem to make any mention of that

[Rohx]

to be honest, as far as i know you dont start the game as the Champion of Kirkwall, thats something it hapends durign the first part of the game.



So beeing a rouge makes sense, think about it, your sister and father are Apostates, so most likly you had your share of trouble, and picking a lock is a usefull skill to have.



So who knows, maybe your champion will be a roguish backgound, and it will be easier to role play as such.

[Xayasha]

I always play as a rogue, I'm princess stabbity-kill-kill.

Seriously when I play as a rogue noble, I imagine I learned my tricks secretly from some servants... I probably was a rebellious kid.

[Trumellionaire1]

In DA:O I only played as a rogue for the dwarf commoner. Otherwise I was always a warrior. Never been a mage. Im the kinda guy that likes to rush head on into a fight rather than rely on sorcery. I will however play as a mage in DA2 only because it for once looks interesting. I will not play as a rogue though. The only reason I ever would is to dual wield but its not even that important to me so f*** it

[General Malor]

Let me just start off that I finished the game twice with a warrior and had a blast. I know people said that they were slow but I have to say I think they played it wrong somehow because I mowed through enemies like a hot knife through hurlocks. And also I'm near finished with the game with a Mage, which is a blast. Just stand back and let go.



Now personally I greatly look forward to the changes the rogue gets. The flipping, the vanishing and all that other stuff really sets them apart. Now I'm also playing through the first with a rogue and it's a blast but honestly I did find myself wish that there was something more that set my rogue apart from my warrior.



Now the OP said he didn't like the idea of a noble being a rogue but I love my Cousland rogue. He wasn't rebellious but paraniod. He'd do all he can to keep tabs on the various nobility his father and mother were working with. Breaking into their wagons, or rooms when they were out, following them and listening in on conversations that they would have ratherd had kept secret. It made him quite the perceptive youth, noting the most seemingly inane details out of ritual. He learned his skills in stealth, lock-picking and persuasion from his own odd habits, self-taught and self mastered.



So at least I had fun making a reason for my noble to be a rogue-ish person.

[Melca36]

I think some anti rogue people are missing the point.

During the Orlesian Occupation, nobles did what they had to do to Survive!

It completely makes logical sense that some nobles are trained as rogues.  And its understandable that there would be noble who would continue the tradition.

It does not mean they are all pick pockets & assassins. 

[wildannie]

tmp7704 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I can never get going as a warrior - I just get bored with their slowness.

There isn't any speed difference between dual-wielding warrior and rogue, is there?

I'm not really counting DW as I could be a DW rogue, just the warrior specific talents...  

[tmp7704]

wildannie wrote...

I'm not really counting DW as I could be a DW rogue, just the warrior specific talents...  

Yeah but using the same reasoning one could just as well not count DW rogue "since they could be a DW warrior"   Fact remains they can be both equally fast, except with different specialization- and class-related talents.

[Melca36]

tmp7704 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I'm not really counting DW as I could be a DW rogue, just the warrior specific talents...  

Yeah but using the same reasoning one could just as well not count DW rogue "since they could be a DW warrior"   Fact remains they can be both equally fast, except with different specialization- and class-related talents.

I've tried both and I believe the rogue is faster because of the extra moves they have.

[DarthCaine]

I play as a tank rogue in DAO, built and tough as a warrior, but can also lockpick and disarm traps



As for DA2, due to the uniqueness of the classes, I'll play as Warrior

[Istvan Kovacs]

I find with almost all RPGs if I use a character made for brute strength such as a Warrior, the game is always too easy. If I play as a rogue/Thief I have to think more and engage myself in the game beyond mindlessly hitting the attack button. Same with Mages, but Rogue/Thieves are more exciting.

[Lady Jess]

All my nobles are rogues, it's not hard to RP it at all really. You have to look past the "thief" idea and into their abilities. Able to get behind enemy lines and sabotage their attacks, set up ambushes, effectively scout without being seen or heard, play the role of a sniper from afar or an assassin up close. Instead of armoring themselves in heavy plates, they are dextrous and fast enough to simply dodge and parry blows. In modern military terms think of the difference between an Armored division and light infantry, and don't bother with lockpicking and stealing for your noble. Honestly being a rogue is NOT just "omg thief!"

Edit to add: Also, as a noble, this ability lets you blend in. You're more subtle than clanking around with plate and wearing a bnig sword and shield. And a noble should be prepared to protect themselves as we know, so having concealed daggers and poisons? not a bad thing.

Modifié par Lady Jess, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:48 .

[tmp7704]

Melca36 wrote...

I've tried both and I believe the rogue is faster because of the extra moves they have.

Hmm maybe we're talking of two different things, then. I was thinking this is about the animation/move speed which seems identical for the same weapon style.

[Lintanis]

 Always pictured my Cousland as sneaking out and around the castle a lot so needed the Rogue skills  

[wildannie]

tmp7704 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I'm not really counting DW as I could be a DW rogue, just the warrior specific talents...  

Yeah but using the same reasoning one could just as well not count DW rogue "since they could be a DW warrior"   Fact remains they can be both equally fast, except with different specialization- and class-related talents.

I get what your saying but I'm not meaning I don't count DW as warriors, it's just if I'm DW it's always as a rogue because I like to lock pick...  

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I've tried both and I believe the rogue is faster because of the extra moves they have.

Hmm maybe we're talking of two different things, then. I was thinking this is about the animation/move speed which seems identical for the same weapon style.

Having the parry and dodging makes you seem faster too.