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I care not for Maelon. For Mordin's sake, however, I keep him from killing his old friend.


Why do you think Mordin is going to feel better knowing that an extremely dangerous individual is still on the loose threatening to unleash a war?

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I never kill him...I think his heart was in the right place, as odd as that sounds.


So was Adolf Hitler's.

There, Godwin. It was inevitable. Might as well get it out of the way now.

So is TIM's for that matter.


Nah, the examples you gave just want dominance over others.  Maelon seemed sincere in his desire to help the krogan.  He didn't want the krogan to dominate others.

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ODST 3 wrote...
I care not for Maelon. For Mordin's sake, however, I keep him from killing his old friend.

Ah, but Maelon was actually Mordin's student. Many teachers have that flash before their eyes of getting to kill their students.

But actually, I think killing Maelon like that would be damaging to Mordin's soul, which seems to be something Mordin is desperately trying to save if you talk with him throughout the loyalty mission. Mordin is a reluctant renegade, willing to sacrifice his own soul for the greater good. He doesn't want to kill Maelon, but he feels like he must. Shepard drawing the line is probably a great relief to Mordin in that regards. And after the moment has passed, he realizes even if he doesn't kill Maelon, he can take away any further damage Maelon can do in regards to the genophage.

I mean, if you want to be positive about the whole thing. :happy:

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Shandepared wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I care not for Maelon. For Mordin's sake, however, I keep him from killing his old friend.


Why do you think Mordin is going to feel better knowing that an extremely dangerous individual is still on the loose threatening to unleash a war?


He's not really a threat anymore. You and Mordin discuss this.

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jlb524 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I never kill him...I think his heart was in the right place, as odd as that sounds.


So was Adolf Hitler's.

There, Godwin. It was inevitable. Might as well get it out of the way now.

So is TIM's for that matter.


Nah, the examples you gave just want dominance over others.  Maelon seemed sincere in his desire to help the krogan.  He didn't want the krogan to dominate others.


He didn't seem to care if they did. As long as the "spot" on his conscience is rubbed out, he didn't care about the consequences. TIM on the other hand doesn't care about his conscience but does care about the consequences. Besides, human dominance isn't so bad:lol: It doesn't mean enslaving everyone else.

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Nightwriter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I care not for Maelon. For Mordin's sake, however, I keep him from killing his old friend.


Why do you think Mordin is going to feel better knowing that an extremely dangerous individual is still on the loose threatening to unleash a war?


He's not really a threat anymore. You and Mordin discuss this.


Who knows. It's better to be certain. Don't want him telling the Krogan I have a cure, or I destroyed the cure. Things could get messy.

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Yes. If there is one thing Cerberus has proven with its unending series of disastrous experiments, it's that they care about the consequences. Yes sirree.

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In my main game, I let Mordin kill him. I do it mostly because I feel this is Mordins choice and not mine to make. It's the same reason I let Miranda kill Niket and Garrus kill Sidonis.

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Nightwriter wrote...

He's not really a threat anymore. You and Mordin discuss this.


Unless he was lobotomized he is still a threat.

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Nah.

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Nightwriter wrote...

Yes. If there is one thing Cerberus has proven with its unending series of disastrous experiments, it's that they care about the consequences. Yes sirree.


Rome wasn't built in a day. Sure they had tons of setbacks on their way to building an empire. They were sucessful because they persevered, just like Cerberus perseveres.  Small setbacks? *Shrugs*  Sh*t happens.

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I've left good ole' Maelon live cuz he seemed so naïve.



For a salarian he seemed young and too impressionable. I felt he was no real danger from starting from scratch because krogans are so violent anyway, and Mordin did not need that murder on his conscious anyway, regardless of how fast they process emotions.



besides having the data as an ace in the hole is better then not right? especially against the reapers.

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mosor wrote...

Rome wasn't built in a day. Sure they had tons of setbacks on their way to building an empire. They were sucessful because they persevered, just like Cerberus perseveres.  Small setbacks? *Shrugs*  Sh*t happens.


Yeah. That's what the Cerberus doctor told Jack's mother, as I recall.

What? Still furious over that dossier entry? Me? No, no...

Modifié par Nightwriter, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:06 .


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Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah. That's what the Cerberus doctor told Jack's mother, as I recall.


Sorry, I don't recall that at all

What? Still furious over that dossier entry? Me? No, no...


Not following ya, obliviousness is interfering with my ability to conjure up some half decent fury.

Modifié par mosor, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:13 .


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TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

In my main game, I let Mordin kill him. I do it mostly because I feel this is Mordins choice and not mine to make. It's the same reason I let Miranda kill Niket and Garrus kill Sidonis.


Here I disagree, Mordin and Miranda are not making a choice they're acting on impulse.  It's a reflexive reaction and your interuption gives them the opportunity to actually think about it.  If either of them truly wanted to kill those people they would have done so regardless of your intervention.  Even Garrus admits (if you ask him just before getting out of the car) that he hasn't really thought this through but he doesn't care.  Revenge isn't a choice it's an emotional response and if you force Garrus to actually think about the situation he let's Sidonis go.  Had either Mordin, Miranda, or Garrus decided they still wanted their respective targets dead I wouldn't have tried to stop them but I make sure I give them the opportunity to think it through.  Zaeed's an example of this he wants to go after Vido and let the workers die, I ask him to think about it, he does and decides he wants Vido dead, so Vido dies.

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He used it against them, that's basically stealing it.

No at best it's acquiring it under false pretenses.  As I mentioned in my example if you give someone something what they choose to do with it does not change the fact you willingly gave it to them.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:16 .


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Rome wasn't built in a day. Sure they had tons of setbacks on their way to building an empire. They were sucessful because they persevered, just like Cerberus perseveres.  Small setbacks? *Shrugs*  Sh*t happens.


It takes a certain.........unique perspective to say that when looking over a mountain of corpses.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

It takes a certain.........unique perspective to say that when looking over a mountain of corpses.


When the alternative is a bigger mountain of corpses, I feel it's justified.

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DPSSOC wrote...

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

In my main game, I let Mordin kill him. I do it mostly because I feel this is Mordins choice and not mine to make. It's the same reason I let Miranda kill Niket and Garrus kill Sidonis.


Here I disagree, Mordin and Miranda are not making a choice they're acting on impulse.  It's a reflexive reaction and your interuption gives them the opportunity to actually think about it.  If either of them truly wanted to kill those people they would have done so regardless of your intervention.  Even Garrus admits (if you ask him just before getting out of the car) that he hasn't really thought this through but he doesn't care.  Revenge isn't a choice it's an emotional response and if you force Garrus to actually think about the situation he let's Sidonis go.  Had either Mordin, Miranda, or Garrus decided they still wanted their respective targets dead I wouldn't have tried to stop them but I make sure I give them the opportunity to think it through.  Zaeed's an example of this he wants to go after Vido and let the workers die, I ask him to think about it, he does and decides he wants Vido dead, so Vido dies.

For Garrus, you delay him killing Sidonis by blocking his shot. Even after Garrus hears all of this information he still wants to kill Sidonis, he's no longer just making an emotional decision. Garrus has all the facts and still wants him dead, so I let him take the shot. Same goes for Mordin and Miranda. They all have time to gather all the facts and make up thier mind before pulling the trigger, it's no longer just a knee-jerk reaction.

Maelon explained everything to Mordin and he still wanted him dead and I understood why. He was conducting sick experiments. You also have to take Mordin's morals into account here, he believes in executing dangerous people if it's for the greater good.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:33 .


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mosor wrote...

Not following ya, obliviousness is interfering with my ability to conjure up some half decent fury.


I feel the same way about this supposed connection between my hairspray and the ozone layer.

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Wait, what was that with Maelon again? I can't tell with all these diverging topics.

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Shandepared wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I care not for Maelon. For Mordin's sake, however, I keep him from killing his old friend.


Why do you think Mordin is going to feel better knowing that an extremely dangerous individual is still on the loose threatening to unleash a war?

He's not dangerous, he doesn't know what to do with himself though Mordin suggests making the most of his survival. Since the game typically rewards one for paragon choices, I assume that either we'll never see him again, or our mercy will result in him contributing in some way to the galaxy. Maybe another clinic like Mordin's will be open on Omega. If he returns in Mass Effect 3 with an army of evil, Weyrloc krogan and joins the Reapers then I'll regret it.

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If you're still trying to be a Spectre, he needs to die.
What's your job description? Preserve galactic stability. Under no circumstances does "krogan released from the genophage" qualify as preserving galactic stability. Maelon is a textbook example of the reasons Spectres are above the law in the execution of their duties; it might not be right to let Mordin shoot him, but it is necessary.
Besides, they were going to be making trouble for Urdnot, and King Bro needs all the help he can get right now.


Well said. :wizard:

You think the krogan will play nice if they ever get cured of the 'phage? It's going to be even more ugly than the rebellions that forced the 'phage in the first place. Wrex is cool and all, and what he's doing is cool, but he's rather insignificant in the grand scheme of the krogan race.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:35 .


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ODST 3 wrote...

He's not dangerous, he doesn't know what to do with himself though Mordin suggests making the most of his survival. Since the game typically rewards one for paragon choices, I assume that either we'll never see him again, or our mercy will result in him contributing in some way to the galaxy. Maybe another clinic like Mordin's will be open on Omega. If he returns in Mass Effect 3 with an army of evil, Weyrloc krogan and joins the Reapers then I'll regret it.


It won't happen. Mordin took all his work and locked him out of the STG networks. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep tabs on old Maelon for life. I'll bet they take security very seriously.

If you kill him, you're doing it needlessly, unless you're doing it to punish him, which is a different matter.

Even then it's a little severe, seeing as how all we really know he did for sure is experiment on some krogan volunteers and one human of indeterminate origin and lifestyle. Very wrong, but execution-worthy? The kid is confused. And crazy.

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Nightwriter wrote...
If you kill him, you're doing it needlessly, unless you're doing it to punish him, which is a different matter.

Even then it's a little severe, seeing as how all we really know he did for sure is experiment on some krogan volunteers and one human of indeterminate origin and lifestyle. Very wrong, but execution-worthy? The kid is confused. And crazy.

He doesn't need more punishment. He has enough psychological torment. Mordin doesn't need any of his own.

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Nightwriter wrote...
Even then it's a little severe, seeing as how all we really know he did for sure is experiment on some krogan volunteers and one human of indeterminate origin and lifestyle. Very wrong, but execution-worthy? The kid is confused. And crazy.

Only one human subject - whom you can bet was not a volunteer to die for the krogan - is discussed during the mission. To extend this to suggest Maelon had only one human test subject is the most astounding kind of denial I've seen in some time.
If the subject you discuss is one of many human victims, they're an example to show the player.
If the subject you discuss is the only human victim, they're complete nonsense as a plot point.