Dean_the_Young wrote...
Killed him,destroyed the data.
I don't think anything could undermine Wrex's reforms faster than the cure, and Wrex's reforms and unification policy are the best means to get a solid Krogan force behind us. Curing the genophage gives superferlous numbers, but numbers of ground troops aren't what are needed to fight the Reapers.
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Praetor Shepard wrote...
Epic777 wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Epic777 wrote...
This is something I never understood. Just the KILL krogan already, why create a new a modified genophage everytime the krogan population spikes? If it is the firm belief that NOTHING will change the brutal krogan culture, then go full out genocide.
The Genophage is not a punishment, it is merely meant to counterbalance the Krogans removal from their natural environment. The Krogan leaped centuries, possibly millenia, forward when the Salarians found them, this gave them an advantage over their environment they'd never had before. It has been shown that as technological level and standard of living improve population growth drops. To illustrate this point at the turn of the 20th century many more people lived in rurals areas than do now. At the time it was also common for families to have 5+ children. Fastforward to the turn of the 21st century and we have most of our population living in cities and the avearage family only has 1-2 children.
Had the Krogan reached the technological level to find the Mass Relays themselves their birth rate would have dropped considerably and the Krogan wouldn't be nearly the threat they were for the Rebellions. The Salarian accelleration of the Krogan didn't allow them to develope that lower birthrate naturally so in order to compensate the Salarians chopped it down. They didn't want to kill the Krogan just correct the mistake they had made in advancing them too far too fast.
Still its an artificial limitation, not a social or environmental change. I have heard this argument before about families. Understand, why don't most Western families have large families? A women can as many children back then as now. Partly because more children are living to maturity and are not dying plus many other reasons. Social reasons not just technological. Understand a women can have as many children now as back then, however for social reasons we do not, it is not simply because of technology.
Again its an artificial limit, only a few fertile females meaning the majority are infertile. If the genophage was not a punishment then why modify it? Let the krogan adapt to their growing population, will they go to war?I do not know. No one knows, as know one knows the future. For me, the salarians have opened pandoras box but cannot fully close it. If the krogan got their act together and had a stable government and a stable population they will still resent the council/ salarians.
If what I said above sounds like nonsense, then I stand by what I said before still stands, kill 'em all.
On a side note: I wonder if people are more angry that maelon experimented on humans more than anything else?
I'd like to agree with you, especially since I like the krogans as a species, and I hope Wrex can be that catalyst for the krogan, darn blood rage!
Maybe the reapers are just what they need to unite? A foreign enemy can do wonders for internal strife and maybe Wrex can also use Shep to take out other troublesome krogan warlords to not seriously upset the balance on Tuchanka, ninja assassin style, like how Shep helps the Patriarch if he takes out the mercs for him as his krantt.
Pacifien wrote...
Wonder if the salarians ever sat around contemplating what sort of genetic modification they could do to curb the blood rage besides near sterilization of the species.
Unless I completely misunderstood the Codex entry, I believe the blood rage is more or less just being on 'autonomic pilot', so to speak, when the secondary fluidic nervous system kicks in and higher reasoning is temporarily disabled in favor of survival instincts. That seems...terribly hard to curb or disable without effectively crippling the species as individuals.Pacifien wrote...
Wonder if the salarians ever sat around contemplating what sort of genetic modification they could do to curb the blood rage besides near sterilization of the species.
Epic777 wrote...
Praetor Shepard wrote...
Epic777 wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Epic777 wrote...
This is something I never understood. Just the KILL krogan already, why create a new a modified genophage everytime the krogan population spikes? If it is the firm belief that NOTHING will change the brutal krogan culture, then go full out genocide.
The Genophage is not a punishment, it is merely meant to counterbalance the Krogans removal from their natural environment. The Krogan leaped centuries, possibly millenia, forward when the Salarians found them, this gave them an advantage over their environment they'd never had before. It has been shown that as technological level and standard of living improve population growth drops. To illustrate this point at the turn of the 20th century many more people lived in rurals areas than do now. At the time it was also common for families to have 5+ children. Fastforward to the turn of the 21st century and we have most of our population living in cities and the avearage family only has 1-2 children.
Had the Krogan reached the technological level to find the Mass Relays themselves their birth rate would have dropped considerably and the Krogan wouldn't be nearly the threat they were for the Rebellions. The Salarian accelleration of the Krogan didn't allow them to develope that lower birthrate naturally so in order to compensate the Salarians chopped it down. They didn't want to kill the Krogan just correct the mistake they had made in advancing them too far too fast.
Still its an artificial limitation, not a social or environmental change. I have heard this argument before about families. Understand, why don't most Western families have large families? A women can as many children back then as now. Partly because more children are living to maturity and are not dying plus many other reasons. Social reasons not just technological. Understand a women can have as many children now as back then, however for social reasons we do not, it is not simply because of technology.
Again its an artificial limit, only a few fertile females meaning the majority are infertile. If the genophage was not a punishment then why modify it? Let the krogan adapt to their growing population, will they go to war?I do not know. No one knows, as know one knows the future. For me, the salarians have opened pandoras box but cannot fully close it. If the krogan got their act together and had a stable government and a stable population they will still resent the council/ salarians.
If what I said above sounds like nonsense, then I stand by what I said before still stands, kill 'em all.
On a side note: I wonder if people are more angry that maelon experimented on humans more than anything else?
I'd like to agree with you, especially since I like the krogans as a species, and I hope Wrex can be that catalyst for the krogan, darn blood rage!
Maybe the reapers are just what they need to unite? A foreign enemy can do wonders for internal strife and maybe Wrex can also use Shep to take out other troublesome krogan warlords to not seriously upset the balance on Tuchanka, ninja assassin style
Still even if the krogan unite, they will still hate the council races for the genophage. Still stand by what I said in bold
Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 18 octobre 2010 - 04:20 .
R-F wrote...
I needed all the paragon points possible to properly resolve the Jack and Miranda conflict so i let him live in my last run. Let Modrin kill him in my first run though.
Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 octobre 2010 - 04:39 .
Under the assumption that you should automatically pass all conflicts, I guess it's a flaw. But I think co-opting this thread when there's a perfectly good thread discussing the morality entitlement issue a bit further down the page is somewhat impolite.Count Viceroy wrote...
Perfect example of the flaw with the current system right thereR-F wrote...
I needed all the paragon points possible to properly resolve the Jack and Miranda conflict so i let him live in my last run. Let Modrin kill him in my first run though.
Christmas Ape wrote...
But I think co-opting this thread when there's a perfectly good thread discussing the morality entitlement issue a bit further down the page is somewhat impolite.
Not necessarily. Come in, mass landing of armies, quick escape while they let the armies fight/die, and if they manage to bring down the shield commence orbital bombardment.Shandepared wrote...
If the Reapers are in the position to land ground forces on a planet then we've already lost.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Not necessarily. Come in, mass landing of armies, quick escape while they let the armies fight/die, and if they manage to bring down the shield commence orbital bombardment.Shandepared wrote...
If the Reapers are in the position to land ground forces on a planet then we've already lost.
Modifié par Epic777, 18 octobre 2010 - 09:50 .
My motivation exactly. Thanks for typing what I wanted to type, before I knew that I needed to type it.Dean_the_Young wrote...
Killed him,destroyed the data.
I don't think anything could undermine Wrex's reforms faster than the cure, and Wrex's reforms and unification policy are the best means to get a solid Krogan force behind us. Curing the genophage gives superferlous numbers, but numbers of ground troops aren't what are needed to fight the Reapers.
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