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[FellowerOfOdin]

Huh? Sten is completely right. You want to kill the archdemon yet you run around doing tons of other stuff - I'd be pissed as well.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

I love that moment too, never fail to take Sten to Haven. The shirtier you are with him in the exchange, the higher the approval you get. Awesome. And he is absolutely right to question why you're on that idiotic mission. Your followers aren't slaves. Geez. Get over yourself.

This.  The mission IS dumb for so many reasons.  Not that I don't enjoy slaughtering all those lunatics in that village, and especially Kolgrim, but you're searching for a myth while you have a Blight going on, just to save one man's life.  Maybe.  If that Urn exists.  And if you find it.  And if Eamon doesn't die before you get back.  And if it works.

tool_bot wrote...

You people are much to accepting.lol

He's an enemy who just happens to be on your side for the time being. He never abandons his upbringing or his views on the world, magic, women or anything else for that matter. He just happens to accept you because you're strong, he (sorta) needs you and he's in a far off land where his views are in the minority. Give him a summer back home around the Qunari and what little impact you've had on him will slowly fade away.

I don't see him as an enemy.  Don't recall the Qunari invading Ferelden . . .don't recall them attacking Grey Wardens.

His people MAY be enemies one day (apparently, in DA2) but even then, Sten himself has never been an enemy of mine.

[tool_bot]

TJPags wrote...

I don't see him as an enemy.  Don't recall the Qunari invading Ferelden . . .don't recall them attacking Grey Wardens.

His people MAY be enemies one day (apparently, in DA2) but even then, Sten himself has never been an enemy of mine.

I guess it's just me then. Oh well...

As for Sten, he wasn't flame retardant.  

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That was Sten's finest moment. The fact that he approves that you put him back in line is equally his finest moment.

Agreed.  Another fine moment for him is when he tells you that so far he's not impressed and your remind him that you're not here to impress him.  I love that line! 

[Zjarcal]

Tigress M wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That was Sten's finest moment. The fact that he approves that you put him back in line is equally his finest moment.

Agreed.  Another fine moment for him is when he tells you that so far he's not impressed and your remind him that you're not here to impress him.  I love that line! 

Yeah, I love that line too! That's what I love about Sten, telling him to STFU doesn't ****** him off in the slightest.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:22 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

What I love about Sten is that he likes it when you take command and act like a commander. That's how I rp my canon and that's why he gets along so well with Sten.

[Giggles_Manically]

Zjarcal wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That was Sten's finest moment. The fact that he approves that you put him back in line is equally his finest moment.

Agreed.  Another fine moment for him is when he tells you that so far he's not impressed and your remind him that you're not here to impress him.  I love that line! 

Yeah, I love that line too! That's what I love about Sten, telling to STFU doesn't ****** him off in the slightest.

Sten honestly is expecting the Warden to prove their strength, and to prove themself it seems.

Honestly him telling me at the gates, and coronation, how he has come to respect the Warden and is very impressed by them was awesome. 

[Tigress M]

tool_bot wrote...
He never abandons his upbringing or his views on the world, magic, women or anything else for that matter.

Could you abandon your views on the world in just two years?  Every aspect of Ferelden is foreign to him.  I think the fact that he comes to respect your Warden is a huge step and I admire him for it. 

[tool_bot]

That's just his view on what a leader should be like. An alpha male who barks orders and never hesitates. Not particularly admirable, just what you'd expect in the 'perfect' platoon sergeant which I imagine is what the creator's had in mind for Sten.

[tool_bot]

Tigress M wrote...

tool_bot wrote...
He never abandons his upbringing or his views on the world, magic, women or anything else for that matter.

Could you abandon your views on the world in just two years?  Every aspect of Ferelden is foreign to him.  I think the fact that he comes to respect your Warden is a huge step and I admire him for it. 

He is several miles from any of his kind. The people are foreign to him and so are their ideals. He meets you, a Grey Warden facing a Blight, something he has only ever heard legends of and what he was sent to learn about. That under the year or so he spends travelling with you he comes to bond with you is nothing remarkable. Just something soldiers do and everyone does when put in a situation where they have to work with strangers.

[Crippledcarny]

I would just like to point out that douchenozzle is an amazing word.

[TJPags]

tool_bot wrote...

That's just his view on what a leader should be like. An alpha male who barks orders and never hesitates. Not particularly admirable, just what you'd expect in the 'perfect' platoon sergeant which I imagine is what the creator's had in mind for Sten.

Well, he comes from a place in which everyone's role is predetermined at birth, and everyone accepts this.

So, yes, a commander should act like a commander - the kind he's used to - and a soldier should act like a soldier. 

As commander, he expects you to take steps to accomplish your mission - which is defeating the Archdemon.  When you do things that don't lead to that goal, he questions your committment.  And he's right to do so.

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
What I love about Sten is that he likes it when you take command and act like a commander. That's how I rp my canon and that's why he gets along so well with Sten.

Exactly!  He helps your Warden grow into the leadership role required to end the blight.  Remember, for all but one (possibly two if you count the HN) origins, leadership of any sort is far from your PC's mind.  Sten helps harden the Warden like s/he helps Alistair and Leilana.  He plays a crucial role in helping your Warden grow into their destiny.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tool_bot wrote...

That's just his view on what a leader should be like. An alpha male who barks orders and never hesitates. Not particularly admirable, just what you'd expect in the 'perfect' platoon sergeant which I imagine is what the creator's had in mind for Sten.

Who said anything about it being admirable?
Just that he knows his place and knows yours and I like that, particurarily for my Canon. Who doesn't "bark" orders as you seem to suggest.

[Tigress M]

tool_bot wrote...
That under the year or so he spends travelling with you he comes to bond with you is nothing remarkable. Just something soldiers do and everyone does when put in a situation where they have to work with strangers.

I disagree.  His honor demands that he help you, for he's given his word.  There's nothing to say he has to like you, but he comes to hold your friendship dear.  That's something you've earned by proving your mettle with him -- not something that just happens because you've been travelling together for a time.

Modifié par Tigress M, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:03 .

[tool_bot]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

That's just his view on what a leader should be like. An alpha male who barks orders and never hesitates. Not particularly admirable, just what you'd expect in the 'perfect' platoon sergeant which I imagine is what the creator's had in mind for Sten.

Who said anything about it being admirable?
Just that he knows his place and knows yours and I like that, particurarily for my Canon. Who doesn't "bark" orders as you seem to suggest.

I wasn't suggesting anything about anyone's Warden. I was talking about Sten and what I believe he envisions the perfect Commander to act like.

[tool_bot]

Tigress M wrote...

tool_bot wrote...
That under the year or so he spends travelling with you he comes to bond with you is nothing remarkable. Just something soldiers do and everyone does when put in a situation where they have to work with strangers.

I disagree.  His honor demands that he help you, for he's given his word.  There's nothing to say he has to like you, but he comes to hold your friendship dear.  That's something you've earned by proving your mettle with him -- not something that just happens because you've been travelling together for a time.

You're welcome to disagree and to speculate as to why this particular individual behaved the way he did but people who are forced to work together have a way of not so much setting things aside as they do forgetting about them for a while. Regardless of whether you become special to Sten is irrelevant as once he's back within his fold, he'll once again be dealing with the social pressures to conform and abandon whatever 'Ferelden' traits he's picked up. You'll become just any other non Qunari at that point.

Or maybe I just really don't like him. :happy:

[KnightofPhoenix]

tool_bot wrote...
 I was talking about Sten and what I believe he envisions the perfect Commander to act like.

I don't think he sees the perfect commander as one who is impersonal with his men and just throws orders. We see in the Fade dream that Sten, though stern and stoic (his personality), was amicable to his comrades.
We see that he starts to appreciate your friendship, especially at the end.
And he doesn't seem to rule out the option of followers challenging their commanders.

His belief that a commander should act like one, aka issue orders, not hesitate, lead and deal with insubordination when necessary, does not really seem to exclude the possibilty of friendship or at least warming up between leader and follower. 

I know you didn't say otherwise, just my 2 cents at how I percieved his views. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:24 .

[tool_bot]

TJPags wrote...

As commander, he expects you to take steps to accomplish your mission - which is defeating the Archdemon.  When you do things that don't lead to that goal, he questions your committment.  And he's right to do so.

I agree whole heartedly. But Sten defines right and wrong (as far as leadership is concerned) by Strength rather then any proper leadership abilities or tactical knowledge. Do his objections suddenly become meaningless once he loses the fight? Of course not, they're just as valid as they were before. But he remains silent and trusts in your ability for no other reason then you beat him in a test of strength. How is that any different then trusting someone for no other reason then they're status?

[KnightofPhoenix]

tool_bot wrote...
 But he remains silent and trusts in your ability for no other reason then you beat him in a test of strength.

I don't think it was a test of strength. More like a test of will. That you are willing to force him back in line.
Yes, his objection is still valid, but what do you want him to do? Desert? This would be dishonorable for him.
He lost and he is back in his place. He doubts your ability to lead most of the time and now that you've shown him that you can deal with insubordination, he keeps following you and can't object anymore because you decided to beat him.  

Now I don't really like it when it degenerates into a fight, I would much rather persuade him. The Wardens who let it turn into a fight are partially responsable. 

[Riona45]

Tigress M wrote...
Exactly!  He helps your Warden grow into the leadership role required to end the blight.  Remember, for all but one (possibly two if you count the HN) origins, leadership of any sort is far from your PC's mind.  Sten helps harden the Warden like s/he helps Alistair and Leilana.  He plays a crucial role in helping your Warden grow into their destiny.

Of course that's a matter of personal interpretation more than anything else.  I like the character, but I never viewed him as "the guy who 'hardened' my Warden."

Modifié par Riona45, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:34 .

[TJPags]

tool_bot wrote...

TJPags wrote...

As commander, he expects you to take steps to accomplish your mission - which is defeating the Archdemon.  When you do things that don't lead to that goal, he questions your committment.  And he's right to do so.

I agree whole heartedly. But Sten defines right and wrong (as far as leadership is concerned) by Strength rather then any proper leadership abilities or tactical knowledge. Do his objections suddenly become meaningless once he loses the fight? Of course not, they're just as valid as they were before. But he remains silent and trusts in your ability for no other reason then you beat him in a test of strength. How is that any different then trusting someone for no other reason then they're status?

See, I view this differently.

What you describe is, to me, what Loghain does - he changes his mind about your worth to lead the nation because you beat him in a sword fight.

With Sten, he questions not so much your ability to lead, but the choices you're making.  And when you explain to him why it's important, and fight him over it, he backs down because you've shown the strength of character that he thinks a leader needs.  You've shown that you have a backbone, have a plan, and are willing to fight to stick to it.  That's what he sees, and that's why he's now willing to follow.

[Riona45]

Too bad you can't just say "We have to search for the ashes because we're in a game and it's making us do that."

[TheBlackBaron]

tmp7704 wrote...
ZOMG SPY SAPPIN' MAH AUTHORITY

Sir, I am contemplating making this my sig.

[TJPags]

Riona45 wrote...

Too bad you can't just say "We have to search for the ashes because we're in a game and it's making us do that."

 Well said.

I really did hate the idea of the Haven quest, although I enjoyed most of the actual quest.