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[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Hanz. I actually hate the idea behind the quest because I don't think Eamon was really necessary. If Teagan became Arl of Redcliff, I think he would be able to call for a Landsmeet. He might not be as influencial as Eamon, but we see him standing up to Loghain and essentially "starting" the civil war (in quotations because no one side really starts a civil war).

So it made little sense to me to follow a myth. Eamon was not necessary and at the end of the day, it was you confronting Loghain, and coming up with accusations and arguments. Not Eamon.

[LobselVith8]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Hanz. I actually hate the idea behind the quest because I don't think Eamon was really necessary. If Teagan became Arl of Redcliff, I think he would be able to call for a Landsmeet. He might not be as influencial as Eamon, but we see him standing up to Loghain and essentially "starting" the civil war (in quotations because no one side really starts a civil war).
So it made little sense to me to follow a myth. Eamon was not necessary and at the end of the day, it was you confronting Loghain, and coming up with accusations and arguments. Not Eamon.

Wasn't that the original plan for DA:O, for Teegan to take the role of Arl and call the Landsmeet? I believe that's why Loghain had a Fade sequence planned with a child Cailan.

Ace22 wrote...

This ungrateful douchenozzle actually had the balls to question my authority and try to take over MY PARTY?! After whooping his ass i commanded him to get back in line. I should have killed him when he was locked in his cage like I wanted to, Stupid morrigan , why did i listen to that wench!

And yet, after enough time, even a mage (who are viewed as nothing more than animals by the Qunari) can become his Kadan. Going to Haven when that happens leads to him saying "I trust you with my life, Kadan."

[LobselVith8]

Hanz54321 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Hanz. I actually hate the idea behind the quest because I don't think Eamon was really necessary. If Teagan became Arl of Redcliff, I think he would be able to call for a Landsmeet. He might not be as influencial as Eamon, but we see him standing up to Loghain and essentially "starting" the civil war (in quotations because no one side really starts a civil war).
So it made little sense to me to follow a myth. Eamon was not necessary and at the end of the day, it was you confronting Loghain, and coming up with accusations and arguments. Not Eamon.

Nods.  I always have thought Teagan to be the stronger man.  Even at the first Landsmeet, he was the only noble to challenge Loghain.  Furthermore, he was suited up as if to say, "If you like we can throw down right here."

But my understanding is the lore is what the lore is.  And the way the game is written Teagan just doesn't have the influence to WIN the Landsmeet because who the hell was Teagan when the Orlesian Occupation was going on?  Nobody important.  But Eamon was and so he has "star power".  So the Warden has to have Eamon.

Now of course through metagaming we know it all comes down to a possible brawl and then a duel anyway - so in that respect you are exactly right.  Eamon could perish and Teagan could call the Landsmeet.  But according to the timeline no one could know that Eamon would not be needed.

That's probably why Witch Hunt has the Ferelden map mentioning that the Bannorn are turning to the Arl of Redcliffe (likely Teegan) for leadership.

[Alistairs_Queen]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

He steals cookies from fat kids. He has every right to question your authority.

Yes, but he uses them to bribe templars.  Which is extremely cool.

Exactly. Sten can question me anytime he likes. And I shall continue to verbally ****-slap him everytime. And gain cool points doing so.

Because I know the Riddle of Cookies.

 I bow to thee!  I never got the converstation where he gives the cookies to Carroll, I've tried, maybe i'm not saying the right thing.    I do like Sten, I understand why he is the way he is, and I never knew about him and the haven quest..... I must take him with me on my Male Surrana playthrough....   Sten rocks my socks.  And I can always bribe him with fresh cookies!

[Ryzaki]

Yeah. I love owning sten with a female elf mage at that scene. "Get back in line."



He approves of that doesn't he?

[Asepsis]

Sten is my favorite character in Dragon Age Origins, I really like him. It was super hard the first time I played because I didn't know how to get on his good side, but once you figure out that he likes you to stand up for what you believe in using reason instead of emotion he actually likes you. The first fight in Haven was actually super awesome, I loved that he respects you once you put him back in line, and it makes sense he'd challenge you. I mean honestly, I'd be putting my foot down too if I was following someone to defeat the blight and they decided we ought to go find some holy ashes, lol. More like I'd just leave the party at that point (Since I have weak arms and trying to fight with anyone would end up with me bruised and near death, but I digress), At least Sten had the balls to say out loud how absurd the whole thing was and act on it. Sten is my <3.

The other times I went we were already at Kadan level, and I still appreciated he said what he said.

Seriously that quest was fun but was so far from logical it was sad, lol! I don't see why people hate Eamon in particular so much though, I mean, all the nobles seem douchey to me. Arrogant and squabbley, I don't like them arrogant nobley rich folk overall. They're all the same in everyway, except Teagan, because he's handsome and he hit on my Warden and he is honorable and sooooooooo handsome. I said that right?

Yes, I am that fickle.

[GodWood]

No offense OP but you are coming off as a massive "douchenozzle".

[Beerfish]

I'll have to have Sten with me at Haven to see this confrontation. I have no doubt my rogue will kick his ass in about 2 seconds. Sten is by far the weakest fighter in DA, at least with his default behavior or aggressive behavior tactics. He just gets carved in pretty well any battle. I think he has become addicted to healing potions/poultices from over use.

[CalJones]

If you already have high influence with Sten, it's easy to talk him down (you'll get some approval loss, mind you). I've never actually had him challenge me to a fight as I always do the Urn late, by which time Sten is calling me kadan.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

CalJones wrote...

If you already have high influence with Sten, it's easy to talk him down (you'll get some approval loss, mind you). I've never actually had him challenge me to a fight as I always do the Urn late, by which time Sten is calling me kadan.

I've never lost approval with Sten in that exchange, not even when I took him to Haven at only +20 approval or so and he picked a fight with my DC. She gained +4 approval for beating him and probably would have gained more if she had picked a bossier dialogue option to force him back in line. Shortly after that she breached the conversational wall with him and got him to start talking about himself and more specifically, his sword. Once you get the sword for him it's all hearts and flowers from then on. I love Sten.

Beerfish wrote...

Sten is by far the weakest fighter in DA, at least with his default behavior or aggressive behavior tactics. He just gets carved in pretty well any battle. I think he has become addicted to healing potions/poultices from over use.

That was my experience with Sten upon first picking him up, too, but as he levels up he gets much better. I pretty much consider him a non-entity both conversationally and in battle until you break through that +25 approval wall. Then he becomes awesome. I take him to all my dragon fights. I suspect Oghren improves in the same way but I've never gotten over +50 approval with him, I don't think, so he's always a walking injury waiting to happen.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:44 .

[CalJones]

It's not that hard to get Oghren's approval up - just ply him with booze. Thing is, I just can't warm to him. Sten's rather funny, but Oghren's just crude.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

CalJones wrote...

It's not that hard to get Oghren's approval up - just ply him with booze. Thing is, I just can't warm to him. Sten's rather funny, but Oghren's just crude.

Yeah --I give him lots of good booze during the Orzammar quest because there are lots of reasons to. "Hey, buck up, we're going to look for your wife, have a drink." "Hey, that's tough, your wife's a nut and doesn't care that you came all the way here to find her. Have a drink." "Hey, you just killed your wife, man, what a lousy day. Have a drink." After that I just don't get inspired to indulge him any more, unless he were to give me a reason to want to through conversation, which he usually doesn't. My CE was probably fondest of him of all my Wardens so far, but she tended to favor the vicious and/or violent members of the party, and from her Origin story dialogue it sounded like she had a pretty friendly relationship with some boozers back home. So she thought he was all right. Not as awesome as Sten, Shale or Zevran, but all right.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Reaverwind]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Hanz. I actually hate the idea behind the quest because I don't think Eamon was really necessary. If Teagan became Arl of Redcliff, I think he would be able to call for a Landsmeet. He might not be as influencial as Eamon, but we see him standing up to Loghain and essentially "starting" the civil war (in quotations because no one side really starts a civil war).
So it made little sense to me to follow a myth. Eamon was not necessary and at the end of the day, it was you confronting Loghain, and coming up with accusations and arguments. Not Eamon.

The entire Arl of Redcliffe questline was just poorly done - having your party waste time setting up for and dealing with a zombie horde instead of going straight for the source of the problem, presenting a farce of a moral dilemma in dealing with Connor, and the wild goose chase for the Urn.

[Asepsis]

Sorry, but since I can't seem to find the Sten appreciation thread this shall have to suffice.

[Asepsis]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Sten is by far the weakest fighter in DA, at least with his default behavior or aggressive behavior tactics.

(Puts palm to face)

At least you qualified your statement to his default tactics . . . but anyone who uses the default tactics for any character doesn't get it.  That's not directed at you Beerfish.  ANYONE who does not customize their tactics would enjoy the game a lot more if they learned to customize.

Sten is the Freight Train.

Try this some time y'all.  Your main as a mage.  Lelianna for archery and locks.  Sten AND Oghren.  It's amazing what they can do with correct tactics.

This is true, I don't go anywhere without Sten since I die horribly if I do. The game I found is a lot easier if you play as a mage, since you can be the healer and have Sten do all the work. Oghren was good, but I liked him more in Awakenings, he was epic there.