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[tmp7704]

Chris Priestly wrote...

And next would be the toggle for armor, right? You want the bonus for wearing it (if there is one), but you don't want to have to look at it?

I'd actually really love if more games (DA included) adopted the concept of "appearance tab" from LoTRO -- it's essentially secondary set of gear slots, if there's item placed there it overrides visual appearance of "real" worn gear, but it never provides any possible bonus that item would otherwise grant if put in the "real" rather than "appearance" slot.

Because yes, tastes being all different there's bound to be situations when someone will find certain piece of gear hideous in appearance but nice in stats, or vice-versa. And what do you actually gain from being stubborn about it and forcing the player to put up with something they find ugly, as opposed to allowing them to customize looks of their character as they see fit, without worry it may penalize attributes of the character if they do so?

Modifié par tmp7704, 18 octobre 2010 - 09:18 .

[upsettingshorts]

I liked the combination of clothes and armor I was capable of pulling off in Morrowind. Shame that it seems to be the exception. It was different than an abstract concept like an appearance tab which can essentially ignore the fact you're wearing functional gear, in that you could add to the look of your armor.

In DA:O helmet wise before the mods, I simply toggled them manually. When I expected to be in a combat situation, such as entering the Deep Roads, I put them on. When I was walking around Orzammar, I took them off. Did that mean I fought "Bhelan/Harrowmont Fanatics" helmetless? Yup. Wasn't a big deal.

Except mage hats.  I never wore those damn things.  Christ they were hideous, it made it really difficult to take anything a character wearing them seriously.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 octobre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Wulfram]

It was quite disturbing when my HNF passed her Blood Dragon armour on to Oghren. It was like he was miniature version of her.



In NWN you could at least stick your helmet in a quick slot and take it off when you weren't fighting. Would be nice to be able to do that it DA2. Or have an option which just made it invisible outside of combat.

[Kerilus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

And next would be the toggle for armor, right? You want the bonus for wearing it (if there is one), but you don't want to have to look at it?

That'll be up to the Dev team, but I hope that if you choose to wear a piece of head gear, you wear a piece of head gear. If you don't want to, then you assume the risks for doing so.

The "risks"? Well apparently the risks for mages in Origin were especially high, which indicates that the designers of the mage headwears were especially high too.  The leather helmets were a close second.

So what's my point? Seriously, do a better job concerning headwears please.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Chris Priestly wrote...

And next would be the toggle for armor, right? You want the bonus for wearing it (if there is one), but you don't want to have to look at it?

That'll be up to the Dev team, but I hope that if you choose to wear a piece of head gear, you wear a piece of head gear. If you don't want to, then you assume the risks for doing so.

I doubt anyone would realistically ask for an armor toggle, though again, rather than answer a post professionally, out comes the snark front and center.

Personally I would have loved to have seen a head gear toggle in ME2 to avoid just how ridiculous it was to watch Shepard try and take shots with a helmet still on. Considering in cutscenes in DA1 the headgear disappears anyway, I don't think its that much to ask for a toggle, especially if the headgear (especially for mages) looks flat out silly again this time around.

[Ulous]

Chris Priestly wrote...

And next would be the toggle for armor, right? You want the bonus for wearing it (if there is one), but you don't want to have to look at it?

That'll be up to the Dev team, but I hope that if you choose to wear a piece of head gear, you wear a piece of head gear. If you don't want to, then you assume the risks for doing so.

Yeah these damn crazy people, next they will want a feature where you see the helmet in gameplay but not in the cut-scenes.......... hey! wait a minute. :happy:

[Ortaya Alevli]

If there will be headwear, maybe put them in with no bonus stats but slots? So the player chooses the least hideous one and puts runes/jewelry/whatnot in it to have their bonus stats.

Tiaras for mages and hoods for rogues would be nice, too. But never mind me. If I had it my way, DA2 would feature:

[Maverick827]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Um Priestly, the helmet didn't appear in cut scenes, which is fine.

No it isn't.  That was stupid.

No it wasn't.  It was fine.

[Marionetten]

This is the one thing from Mass Effect I'd love for them to implement. How hard is it to add a little toggle in the character screen?

[Snelle Jaap]

dopefourtwo wrote...

ydaraishy wrote...

If you don't want the awesome stats a dead peacock gives you, then breaking immersion and making your dead peacock be invisible but getting the stats still is a better option? Huh?

And magically losing your headgear during speech and cutscenes isnt breaking immersion?

indeed

lets hope them Mod guys well deliver with a do not see that stupid head ware thing mod so i can play how i want to play it,.. Thing

good thing iam on a PC !

[Tranceptor]

Thatdude88 wrote...

If you dont want people to want to hide it make less ass tastic hats ...

No one can get into a game where they look like a giant rat terd.

its called Emerson

Now THATS putting things in perspective.

[Sanguinerin]

Admittedly, I like the idea of a helmet toggle. I always kept my helms switched off in WoW. It's mainly a coordination thing, though. I don't mind the helmets in DAO, although I refuse to use mismatched armor. With actual armor, there are enough choices to get something that works (although the dull-grey Duty helm and shiny Effort silverite armor even bothered me, just because I enjoy consistency, but I forced myself to get over it for the stats bonus). With clothes/robes, though, I almost never used helmets.

I don't mind making the sacrifice and keeping a helmet off, but it would be nice to have more cloth helms that are the same color as robes. I suppose I'm thinking of more mage armor sets. We only seemed to have Lorekeeper set, in Awakening, plus the First Enchanter Cowl and Robes. Nothing else seemed to "fit" as far as Origins goes. I did just put Enchanter's Cowls on my mage and Wynne for a time, though. I could argue for consistency so long as they both had them on, with my mage in the green (Lesser?) Tevinter Robes and Wynne in the green First Enchanter Robes.

I'm not going to demand anything from BioWare, there's quite enough of that on the forums it seems, but I do hope that DA2 will have more mage armor sets. I don't mind a helmet as long as it fits with the rest of the set. Mage sets shouldn't be too difficult to match with, either, as you don't have to worry about boots and gloves! (At least, if it's the same way as in DAO.)

In the grand scheme, though, I forfeit the best armor and gear to have my party look consistent (including putting all warriors in the same armor material type...etc...) and I've done that with any game I've played, and I'm perfectly okay with that.

I might seem a little OCD after this post.

Edit: corrected some grammar/spelling.

Modifié par HallowedWarden, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Anarya]

tmp7704 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And next would be the toggle for armor, right? You want the bonus for wearing it (if there is one), but you don't want to have to look at it?

I'd actually really love if more games (DA included) adopted the concept of "appearance tab" from LoTRO -- it's essentially secondary set of gear slots, if there's item placed there it overrides visual appearance of "real" worn gear, but it never provides any possible bonus that item would otherwise grant if put in the "real" rather than "appearance" slot.

Because yes, tastes being all different there's bound to be situations when someone will find certain piece of gear hideous in appearance but nice in stats, or vice-versa. And what do you actually gain from being stubborn about it and forcing the player to put up with something they find ugly, as opposed to allowing them to customize looks of their character as they see fit, without worry it may penalize attributes of the character if they do so?

YES. As someone who played LoTRO for 2 years, that was by far the game's best innovation. And I think it actually helped immersion by letting you and everyone else look pulled-together and not like a hobo who dressed himself in the dark (wearing mismatched armor for the stats). Unless you were going for that.

Modifié par Anarya, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:14 .

[upsettingshorts]

Thatdude88 wrote...

If you dont want people to want to hide it make less ass tastic hats ...

No one can get into a game where they look like a giant rat terd.

its called Emerson

Indeed, here he is with his helmet toggled off:

[NKKKK]

LOL

[David Gaider]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Considering in cutscenes in DA1 the headgear disappears anyway, I don't think its that much to ask for a toggle, especially if the headgear (especially for mages) looks flat out silly again this time around.

I think the lack of a toggle for headgear in DAO was a technical issue, as opposed to any opposition from us on a design standpoint. I know when I played LotRO I always toggled my helmets off simply because I liked looking at my character more than I liked looking at a helmet.

The headgear in DA2 is much better-- ideally it'd be better enough that nobody would want a toggle (well, there'd always be somebody who did, but I'm talking most people here). Barring that we'll see if the technical hurdle is something we have the time to deal with. The reason we've mentioned nothing is that we promise nothing on this front. Even my vague mention of the possibility will be taken as an ironclad promise by some, and for that I apologize.

[Addai]

David Gaider wrote...

The headgear in DA2 is much better-- ideally it'd be better enough that nobody would want a toggle (well, there'd always be somebody who did, but I'm talking most people here).

We want to see our PC's pretty hair. 

[NKKKK]

David, are you saying no fruit hats for mages?



Also, people won't be disappointed for the lack this time if the helmets are better and stylish. Nice going Graider.

[ashwind]

David Gaider wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Considering in cutscenes in DA1 the headgear disappears anyway, I don't think its that much to ask for a toggle, especially if the headgear (especially for mages) looks flat out silly again this time around.

I think the lack of a toggle for headgear in DAO was a technical issue, as opposed to any opposition from us on a design standpoint. I know when I played LotRO I always toggled my helmets off simply because I liked looking at my character more than I liked looking at a helmet.

The headgear in DA2 is much better-- ideally it'd be better enough that nobody would want a toggle (well, there'd always be somebody who did, but I'm talking most people here). Barring that we'll see if the technical hurdle is something we have the time to deal with. The reason we've mentioned nothing is that we promise nothing on this front. Even my vague mention of the possibility will be taken as an ironclad promise by some, and for that I apologize.

The ugliness of mages headgears in DA1 are still haunting me  

DA2's headgear will have to be A LOT BETTER for me not to use the toggle option if present 
:devil:

[Wittand25]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And next would be the toggle for armor, right? You want the bonus for wearing it (if there is one), but you don't want to have to look at it?

That'll be up to the Dev team, but I hope that if you choose to wear a piece of head gear, you wear a piece of head gear. If you don't want to, then you assume the risks for doing so.

I doubt anyone would realistically ask for an armor toggle, though again, rather than answer a post professionally, out comes the snark front and center.

Personally I would have loved to have seen a head gear toggle in ME2 to avoid just how ridiculous it was to watch Shepard try and take shots with a helmet still on. Considering in cutscenes in DA1 the headgear disappears anyway, I don't think its that much to ask for a toggle, especially if the headgear (especially for mages) looks flat out silly again this time around.

Sadly not  all cutscenes removed the headgear. And for example the leaving the clan behind cutscene looked very distracting and lost quite some of the emotion with my Dalish wearing the helm of the deep.

[tmp7704]

NKKKK wrote...

David, are you saying no fruit hats for mages?

It's vegetable time.

[marshalleck]

David Gaider wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Considering in cutscenes in DA1 the headgear disappears anyway, I don't think its that much to ask for a toggle, especially if the headgear (especially for mages) looks flat out silly again this time around.

I think the lack of a toggle for headgear in DAO was a technical issue, as opposed to any opposition from us on a design standpoint. I know when I played LotRO I always toggled my helmets off simply because I liked looking at my character more than I liked looking at a helmet.

The headgear in DA2 is much better-- ideally it'd be better enough that nobody would want a toggle (well, there'd always be somebody who did, but I'm talking most people here). Barring that we'll see if the technical hurdle is something we have the time to deal with. The reason we've mentioned nothing is that we promise nothing on this front. Even my vague mention of the possibility will be taken as an ironclad promise by some, and for that I apologize.

As long as you fired the artist who came up with the stupid mage coneheads it will be fine

or at least stop screwing around and give us little clown cars to go along with the fez

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

While we're at it, can we get a toggle for hair, too? Hair models were god-awful in Origins.

/ass

[Faz432]

ashwind wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Considering in cutscenes in DA1 the headgear disappears anyway, I don't think its that much to ask for a toggle, especially if the headgear (especially for mages) looks flat out silly again this time around.

I think the lack of a toggle for headgear in DAO was a technical issue, as opposed to any opposition from us on a design standpoint. I know when I played LotRO I always toggled my helmets off simply because I liked looking at my character more than I liked looking at a helmet.

The headgear in DA2 is much better-- ideally it'd be better enough that nobody would want a toggle (well, there'd always be somebody who did, but I'm talking most people here). Barring that we'll see if the technical hurdle is something we have the time to deal with. The reason we've mentioned nothing is that we promise nothing on this front. Even my vague mention of the possibility will be taken as an ironclad promise by some, and for that I apologize.

The ugliness of mages headgears in DA1 are still haunting me  

DA2's headgear will have to be A LOT BETTER for me not to use the toggle option if present 
:devil:

Good news, I, Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi Like You Very Much.



Better headgear is a better solution.

Modifié par Faz432, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:58 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

David Gaider wrote...

The headgear in DA2 is much better-- ideally it'd be better enough that nobody would want a toggle (well, there'd always be somebody who did, but I'm talking most people here). Barring that we'll see if the technical hurdle is something we have the time to deal with. The reason we've mentioned nothing is that we promise nothing on this front. Even my vague mention of the possibility will be taken as an ironclad promise by some, and for that I apologize.

A glimmer of hope, at least.

Eventually I managed to convince myself that the mage hats where so bloody ugly because the Chantry wanted to make sure mages were always humble and never taken seriously.... Quite the rebel, my mage turned out to be.