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[Maria Caliban]

Did the Calling ever say the gender of Maric's child with Fiona? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

EDIT: nevermind

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 novembre 2009 - 03:42 .

[Isaantia]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Did the Calling ever say the gender of Maric's child with Fiona? 

Yes it was a boy.

[Maria Caliban]

So far we have:

Calian - his only legitimate son

??? - a son with Fiona.

Alistiar - a son with a scullery maid

??? - a possible child with Flemeth (might be Morrigan)



Are there any hints as to who the Fiona/Maric child might be? It would be a half-elven man younger than Alistair.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Fiona and Maric's child was a blonde boy. I'm honestly surprised that it might not be Alistair.

I guess there's potentially another guy roaming around that looks just like Cailan and Alistair.
EDIT: And it would be human, since there are no half elves.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 03:47 .

[Isaantia]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Are there any hints as to who the Fiona/Maric child might be? It would be a half-elven man younger than Alistair.

There aren't half-elves in this world. Elf/human kids are human.

[Maria Caliban]

They're humans with a slender appearence. There are physical differences, it's just that most people don't notice them as they're fairly subtle.



Myst, then why do we have Alistair's sister telling him that their mother was a scullery maid?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I don't know. I made a topic about this a few days ago and it only got one reply.

Alistair's story and the story of Fiona and Maric's child are completely inconsistent. (Since a Grey Warden mage is not likely to become a scullery maid, especially after saying she was leaving Ferelden for good).

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 03:53 .

[Maria Caliban]

Oh? She left Ferelden? If royal-bastard number 2 (or 3) was in the game, they'd be one of the forgien characters maybe.

Personally, I had hoped it was Ser Cauthrine.

Did it confirm in the book that the boy had blonde hair?

[kaispan]

I've heard a theory that Alistair (as Fiona's child) was sort of passed off as the scullery maid's child (and since she and her actual baby died in childbirth there would be no further investigation, and Goldanna would not be his real sister).  I need to read the books though, I have no idea if that is reasonable or even plausible...

And, semi-on topic: kinda wondering, I've heard Alistair is supposed to be 19-20 in accordance with that timeline. Does anyone else think he seems older than that, or is it just that I refuse to accept being older than him? I place him closer to my own age (early/mid twenties), but there is a good chance that is simply ...projecting.

Modifié par kaispan, 12 novembre 2009 - 03:59 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Yes, the description in the book said it was a boy with blonde hair. And in the same scene Fiona said she was leaving and Maric would never see her again.



It is possible I think that Duncan gave the child to a scullery maid in Eamon's castle, but doesn't it say Alistair's mother died in childbirth having him? Fiona definitely didn't die.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The book quote:



"The child had a wisp of blond hair and rosy pink cheeks, and was sleeping soundly. It was definitely his [Maric's], however. The boy even looked a bit like Cailan."

[Maria Caliban]

Yeah, the 'passed off' child theory doesn't make much sense.



If a maid died and they decided to pretend Alistair was her child, why would they tell his 'sister' that the king raped her mother before running her off? If they didn't want people to know, there's no need to tell the sister. If they did want people to believe, they would have just left the sister alone.

[Isaantia]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Yes, the description in the book said it was a boy with blonde hair. And in the same scene Fiona said she was leaving and Maric would never see her again.

It is possible I think that Duncan gave the child to a scullery maid in Eamon's castle, but doesn't it say Alistair's mother died in childbirth having him? Fiona definitely didn't die.

Fiona did not want her son to know who she was. She was the one that came up with the story about the dead mother. Maric agreed and sent to the child to Eamons to be raised. Loghain was never told about the child. Goldanna also said her mother was forced upon by Maric, but given Maric's personality, that can't be true either. So Alistair probably doesn't know the whole truth. Of course Duncan would have known (as he was there for the meeting between Fiona and Maric) and had he not died, probably would have told Alistair. Duncan had also agreed to keep tabs on Alistair and report back news to Maric. No doubt that this is why he insisted on conscripting Alistair into the Grey Wardens.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I wondered during Goldanna's conversation if she was exaggerating when she said Maric "forced himself" on her mother. It might simply have looked/sounded that way to her because MAric was king and her mother a servant?



I don't know; The whole thing confused me.

[jeckaldied]

They definitely imply however that Rowan was alive when Alistair was born.

[Maria Caliban]

Isaantia wrote...

Goldanna also said her mother was forced upon by Maric, but given Maric's personality, that can't be true either.

Sort of like Loghain would never leave the child of Maric and Rowin on the field of battle to die.

Sort of like Alistair would never abandon all of Ferelden to the Blight and give up being a Grey Warden.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:19 .

[Maria Caliban]

jeckaldied wrote...

They definitely imply however that Rowan was alive when Alistair was born.

Fiona's child would be how many years younger than Calin?

[Dragonsword18]

Maria Caliban wrote...

So far we have:
Calian - his only legitimate son
??? - a son with Fiona.
Alistiar - a son with a scullery maid
??? - a possible child with Flemeth (might be Morrigan)

Are there any hints as to who the Fiona/Maric child might be? It would be a half-elven man younger than Alistair.

woio woo   

where did u find it about maric  and posible flemeth-.- ??

i`m rly wonder -.-

[kaispan]

They do look a bit alike...

[Mystranna Kelteel]

They did imply that Rowan was alive when Alistair was born. That was part of the topic I made but I had subsequently forgotten. Fiona's baby was born five years or so after Rowan died.

I know Fiona says for them to make up a story about his birth, since she didn't want the baby to know his mother's identity as an elf and everything, but Fiona also never wanted the baby to know he was an heir to the throne. So her wishes wouldn't have been followed either way.

There is a lot of information given about Alistair's "mother" and why he was given up, and that doesn't mesh with what Fiona wanted, nor does it mesh with what Loghain (I think) says about Maric giving the baby up partly for Rowan's sake.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:21 .

[Maria Caliban]

It's *possible.* They spent a night alone in her hut in The Stolen Throne.
Some have suggested Morrigan is the result of this, which would make Morrigan/Alistiar sexytime very disturbing.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:21 .

[jeckaldied]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's *possible.* They spent a night alone in her hut in The Stolen Throne.
Some have suggested Morrigan is the result of this, which would make Morrigan/Alistiar sexytime very disturbing.

Perhaps Sandel is the inbreed time traveling god child of this union? His 'dad' says he found him alone in the Deep Roads. Enchantment indeed...

In all serious though, I do not think Alistair is Fiona's child, Cailen was 9 in the Calling I believe, which he really doesn't look  older than 25 in dragon age, and Alistair is deffinitly over 16, he's barely a believable 19-20.

Modifié par jeckaldied, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:25 .

[RosaAquafire]

Isaantia wrote...

Fiona did not want her son to know who she was. She was the one that came up with the story about the dead mother. Maric agreed and sent to the child to Eamons to be raised. Loghain was never told about the child. Goldanna also said her mother was forced upon by Maric, but given Maric's personality, that can't be true either. So Alistair probably doesn't know the whole truth. Of course Duncan would have known (as he was there for the meeting between Fiona and Maric) and had he not died, probably would have told Alistair. Duncan had also agreed to keep tabs on Alistair and report back news to Maric. No doubt that this is why he insisted on conscripting Alistair into the Grey Wardens.

This was always my understanding of how it went down. Alistair would be easier to hide if he was thought to be the son of a maid instead of a Grey Warden, too ...

I think that Alistair is the baby from The Calling. I highly doubt that there's another Theirin bastard running around, and if there were, I can't see why Eamon would know about Alistair but not about the other one, with all the fuss he made about Alistair being the last Theirin ... but I could always be wrong.

I've also always assumed the "hidden from Rowan" thing was just your basic timeline screw up. There are a few, if you look for them. It's more likely that Alistair was hidden from Loghain.

The inconsistancy that CAN'T be explained is that, according to Morrigan and some rather undebatable evidence, the taint is genetic. Alistair should have been born with it, yet he talks about the nightmares 'starting' after this Joining. That one is a little harder to ignore ... but I assume that it is, again, just an inconsistancy.

I don't know, I find it hard to beleive there's another bastard out there. I'd bet my house that Alistair is Fiona's son.

[Maria Caliban]

Sandel is actually a dwarf possessed by the spirit of Stupidity, the most powerful force in the universe.