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[Mystranna Kelteel]

Fiona was cured of her taint, though, so it likely didn't go to Alistair (or the other bastard, whatever ).

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:33 .

[Aristorum]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Fiona was cured of her taint, though, so it likely didn't go to Alistair (or the other bastard, whatever ).

Cured of the taint? I didn't think that was possible.
I should probably get to reading these books.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I don't remember it being explained... Fiona says she's the first Grey Warden to be cured of the taint. I'll go back and look to see if it was explained in any way.

EDIT: Yeah, they don't say why. Just that it disappeared and the mages at Weisshaupt did test after test and they don't think it's coming back ever. It was posited that it might have been caused by magical brooches given to the Warden party with the Architect's magic, but it's not explained in any actual way.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:39 .

[Ajyk]

I think Alistair is Fiona's - there weren't two royal bastards with Arl Eamon. Further, Alistair's past is consistent with the cover story concocted by Fiona and Maric at the end of 'The Calling.'

What/where is it implied that Rowan was alive when he was born? I must have missed that somehow.

Two other things that may be related:
1) It's never mentioned in the books what favor Flemmeth requested/demanded of Maric.
2) In 'The Calling,' as the group set out, they stopped at a farmhouse and Maric went inside. What happened there?

Modifié par Ajyk, 12 novembre 2009 - 05:27 .

[RosaAquafire]

In Alistair's codex entry it says that he was left with Eamon to hide him from Queen Rowan, who was already dead by the time Alistair was born. Weird stuff.



Maric's favour from Flemeth kills me, too. I want to knoooow.

[Ajyk]

I just read the codex entry, thank you for pointing it out. That's weird. Don't know what to make of it.

[EmeraldViper]

Isaantia wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Are there any hints as to who the Fiona/Maric child might be? It would be a half-elven man younger than Alistair.

There aren't half-elves in this world. Elf/human kids are human.

Look at Morrigan, she has semi-pointy ears?????

[Mystranna Kelteel]

RosaAquafire wrote...

In Alistair's codex entry it says that he was left with Eamon to hide him from Queen Rowan, who was already dead by the time Alistair was born. Weird stuff.

Loghain also says that Maric hid Alistair because he didn't want Rowan reduced to a concubine or something like that.
If that's true, then Fiona can't be Al's mother. A lot of the evidence in actual game makes it out that Alistair is not Fiona's son.  But The Calling doesn't say or hint about there being yet another bastard child already out there. It makes it sound like Cailan and Fiona's son are the only two kids Maric ever had.

[Amagoi]

Bumping this up a little because this is probably the most interesting plotine for me personally cause I liked Maric.

I've noticed that Cailan was born probably around 9:05 or so, he was king for 5 years with Anora in DAO at 9:30 so he's in the mid-to-late twenties I think. Alistairr seems to be around 20, though I personally think he may be 22 or so cause I also don't want to think I'm older than him. <_<

But Cailain is 9 during the Calling, meaning Fiona's child is a few years younger than Alistair (if the maid mother story was true), and hasn't shown up yet. Also at the end of The Calling Duncan said he would watch over the child, and from the conversations with Alistair I picked up that he didn't know Duncan for most of his life, just when he was recruited not long before the MC was.

So who knows, it's possible they're one and the same but I personally don't believe they are. It would seem too much trouble when Duncan could just take the child somewhere else and not make up this story involving a maid and Rowan.

Edit: Also if I remember right I believe Alistair said after his was recruited by Duncan, he told Duncan about his heritage which Duncan did not know about before then. I may be wrong. Either way the secret may have died with Duncan at Ostagar

Modifié par Amagoi, 14 novembre 2009 - 07:19 .

[JohnF1986]

If Alistair was the child of Fiona and King Maric, he'd be 19 or 20 years old now. He's spent years of training with both templars and as a Warden. I think he'd be much less of an enthusiastic wiseguy if he had all that behind him at the age of 20.

[RavenholmeCP42]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

They did imply that Rowan was alive when Alistair was born. That was part of the topic I made but I had subsequently forgotten. Fiona's baby was born five years or so after Rowan died.

I know Fiona says for them to make up a story about his birth, since she didn't want the baby to know his mother's identity as an elf and everything, but Fiona also never wanted the baby to know he was an heir to the throne. So her wishes wouldn't have been followed either way.

There is a lot of information given about Alistair's "mother" and why he was given up, and that doesn't mesh with what Fiona wanted, nor does it mesh with what Loghain (I think) says about Maric giving the baby up partly for Rowan's sake.

Two years, read The Calling. lots of references to it being two years after Rowan died.

And, actually, the theory about Alistair being pawned off onto Goldanna's mother does make a certain amount of sense, you have to realise that there would be a certain amount of creative liberty taken in the character's own perceptions of things, and Alistair having been born before Rowan died? That could easily have been a lie to deflect attention from his elven parentage, since if someone worked out that he was concieved around the time Maric was in the Deep Roads?

Alistair's birth is political, whether he likes it or not. He was not to jeopardise Cailan/Maric's rule in any way, so it makes sense the involved parties altered the story a little

[Tamyn]

I'm starting to believe there is a third child of Maric's somewhere. That would allow there to be another Theirin heir even if Alistair is killed or forswears the throne. The bloodline cannot end!

[beelzeybob]

JohnF1986 wrote...

If Alistair was the child of Fiona and King Maric, he'd be 19 or 20 years old now. He's spent years of training with both templars and as a Warden. I think he'd be much less of an enthusiastic wiseguy if he had all that behind him at the age of 20.

Wut... ?

In- game if you talk to Alistair at ostagar for a bit you will find out that he has only been a grey warden for 6 months. Which was after Ducan rescued him from the chantry.

[Lotion Soronarr]

1. How man years has Al spent training with the templars?

2. How much time did he spend WITH the Wardens (not AS a Warden)?

[nos_astra]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1. How man years has Al spent training with the templars?
2. How much time did he spend WITH the Wardens (not AS a Warden)?

1. Goes unanswered, but still hard to believe, that this time is 10 years or even longer. He was sent off to the chantry at age 10. How long can templar training last? Let's say the actual training starts at age 12 or 14, that still is enough time to pick up combat skills and have mental training. Alistair can't be much older than 20.

2. He was conscripted! Right under the eyes of the grand cleric who was furious. It's not like he's been running around years with the Grey Wardens before his Joining, I guess.

Modifié par klarabella, 13 janvier 2010 - 12:29 .

[ReubenLiew]

Alistais is 6 months your senior in the grey wardens.