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[Hjelloo]

I really should have been able to kill his wife and daughter as well.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well I did expect to see his daughter. She used to like the PC. Would have been interesting to confront her.

[Isaantia]

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic. I agree. I'm also really don't understand his purpose in the story. I thought he was perhaps up to something more nefarious considering what was going on in the mage tower and redcliffe, But it seems that he was just some *** trying to grab power. Maybe I missed an important side quest somewhere.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nevertheless, Tim Curry did a great job making us love to hate Howe.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I personally would've liked to see Howe possible as an NPC for the non-human noble origin stories, though he was quite power hungry so him joining as a follower wouldn't make much sense. Some of the other deaths were handled better imo, Howe's was a bit buggy in my playthrough. I defeated him first then talked to the Templar and in the middle of that conversation his death scene took place. Luckily it didn't break the Templar's mini quest.

[Joel171]

Isaantia wrote...

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic.

Then Bioware captured revenge killings perfectly. When you kill some one for revenge, a great weight does not lift off your shoulders. You do not feel releived. And, most of the time, it's not an epic battle to the death with swords making sparks etc. It's just done. The guy dies. Your loved ones are still dead. Killing the person didn't bring them back. It didn't satisfy justice to anyone other than yourself. HIS loved ones will likely see you as a murderer and swear revenge on you, thus renewing a cycle you never knew exsisted.

Revenge killings are almost always anti-climactic.

Modifié par Joel171, 12 novembre 2009 - 04:39 .

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, I lured him to a diffrent part of the jail, killed him, ran back to the mages, killed them, and then got a death scene.

[Mordern]

It took me so long to get a death scene I didn't know there was one. I killed him and the mages, talked to some prisoners, then went upstairs and figured the door was open. I saw the magicy lock was still up, got confused, went back downstairs, then got the scene.



It was a bit surreal.

[musicalfrog7]

His character was summed up with his dying words:



"I....deserved....more."



Immediately after hearing him speak those words and watching him die I thought "Wow, you must have to be an evil bastard for those to be your last words.

[jeckaldied]

I thought bioware did a great job of implying that Howe was a pretty heavy influencer in loghain's actions. He's constantly around him, he is the one giving him most reports on everything, and Anora says that with Howe gone it should certainly help Loghain think clearly again.



Honestly I think Howe has been playing Loghain for possibly years before the game took place to get him so paranoid he would do something like betray the king, all because Howe 'deserved more"

[RosaAquafire]

Joel171 wrote...

Then Bioware captured revenge killings perfectly. When you kill some one for revenge, a great weight does not lift off your shoulders. You do not feel releived. And, most of the time, it's not an epic battle to the death with swords making sparks etc. It's just done. The guy dies. Your loved ones are still dead. Killing the person didn't bring them back. It didn't satisfy justice to anyone other than yourself. HIS loved ones will likely see you as a murderer and swear revenge on you, thus renewing a cycle you never knew exsisted.

Revenge killings are almost always anti-climactic.

Wow, this is actually very insightful. I wonder if this was intentional design. If so ... kudos, Bioware, because it's very true.

[Mordern]

I haven't read any of the books yet, but apparently they do a great deal of explaining Loghain's logic, or at least his own personal reasoning. Not sure if Howe's in there, but it'd be interesting to see.

[Jersey75639]

Isaantia wrote...

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic. I agree. I'm also really don't understand his purpose in the story. I thought he was perhaps up to something more nefarious considering what was going on in the mage tower and redcliffe, But it seems that he was just some *** trying to grab power. Maybe I missed an important side quest somewhere.

The most important side quest involving Howe is the human noble origin, really.  If you're playing another character he isn't that significant to you personally, aside from the fact that he's Loghain's advisor.

[Joel171]

Mordern wrote...

I haven't read any of the books yet, but apparently they do a great deal of explaining Loghain's logic, or at least his own personal reasoning. Not sure if Howe's in there, but it'd be interesting to see.

Howe isn't in the books. And Loghain's Logic is "For Crown and Country".  Who wears the crown matters little to him as long as they keep his homeland safe. Maric was just lucky they became friends and had the safety of the country in mind and the means with which to drive out the Orleasians, or Lohgain would have probably killed him as well.

Lohgain is very driven. He has no problems making hard decisions when it comes to the safety of his Country. Especially when Orleasians are involved.

In the First book, Stolen throne, Maric had trouble making those hard decisions because he was such a compassionate man.  Loghain "fixed" that.

Modifié par Joel171, 12 novembre 2009 - 05:50 .

[Findarin]

Howe is interesting. I do wonder if he really felt that Cousland was working with Orlesians by being friendly with them or if it was just an excuse for a power grab.





I liked the soldiers comments in his residence about how mad and uncivil Highever had been.



Also, there is a bit of lore that talks about the howe's working with the orlesians so it is definately in his blood.

[Lucasian]

Haha yeah, I wished for nothing more than a torture option or the like...

[Rattleface]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well I did expect to see his daughter. She used to like the PC. Would have been interesting to confront her.

Or rape her.  Would serve her right.

However, I was more disappointed with Howe as a character.  Good voice acting, sure, but dang.  The guy had no depth and made nearly zero sense to me at all.

[Joie de Combat]

Playing as the human noble, I really liked how the subplot with Howe turned out, personally. The bile he poured out at the end there, comparing my character to her father and talking about the look in her eye and how inferior he felt compared to Bryce, was very intense.

[LdyShayna]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well I did expect to see his daughter. She used to like the PC. Would have been interesting to confront her.

That's interesting.  If you play a female human noble, he has a SON, not a daughter.

[JamieCOTC]

As a "boon" you get the option to "make the Howes pay" for what they did to the PC's family. However, after the Elf/Werewolf thing, I just couldn't do it.

[MrGOH]

Joel171 wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic.

Then Bioware captured revenge killings perfectly. When you kill some one for revenge, a great weight does not lift off your shoulders. You do not feel releived. And, most of the time, it's not an epic battle to the death with swords making sparks etc. It's just done. The guy dies. Your loved ones are still dead. Killing the person didn't bring them back. It didn't satisfy justice to anyone other than yourself. HIS loved ones will likely see you as a murderer and swear revenge on you, thus renewing a cycle you never knew exsisted.

Revenge killings are almost always anti-climactic.

Humm. You seem to know what you're talking about.

*Making mental note never to cross Joel171. And Joels 1 through 170, just to be on the safe side.*

[Fudzie]

MrGOH wrote...

Joel171 wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic.

Then Bioware captured revenge killings perfectly. When you kill some one for revenge, a great weight does not lift off your shoulders. You do not feel releived. And, most of the time, it's not an epic battle to the death with swords making sparks etc. It's just done. The guy dies. Your loved ones are still dead. Killing the person didn't bring them back. It didn't satisfy justice to anyone other than yourself. HIS loved ones will likely see you as a murderer and swear revenge on you, thus renewing a cycle you never knew exsisted.

Revenge killings are almost always anti-climactic.

Humm. You seem to know what you're talking about.

*Making mental note never to cross Joel171. And Joels 1 through 170, just to be on the safe side.*

Joels 1 through 170 are dead. 

Joel171 is speaking purely from experience.

[Vicious]

Howe was pretty much the closest human to true evil in the whole game. At least Loghain repents in the end and becomes a good guy if you spare him. Howe doesn't care about what he's done at all.

And last words were: "Maker spit on you... I deserved more." or basically, "F--- you I should have won"


Anyway according to Warden's keep and various Codex entries, the feud of Howe's vs. Couslands is very very old.

Heck Couslands only became royalty when the original owner of Highever [a cousin of the Howe's and an Amaranthine] was killed by his wife, Flemeth.  Afterwards the Couslands declared themselves and fought with the ancient Howes, then known as Amaranthines and the Couslands won.

It may have been a long time but it was probably a big mistake to turn their backs on the Howes. The Couslands are 'noble goody goodies' and they forgive and forget. The Howes probably have always told their descendents "The couslands took what was rightfully ours and one day we will take it back!"


Hence your family being surprised Howe would pull a fast one, but when you speak with Howe he reveals his hatred was very deep-seated.

Modifié par Vicious, 19 novembre 2009 - 01:48 .

[DM Veil]

I admit to yelling at the screen when I saw him just drop to the floor dead and that was it. The whole experience left me wanting more, like just killing him in simple combat wasn't enough, I wanted to take his body and hang it outside his home or something more fitting for his crimes against my family.

[VanDraegon]

While it was satisfying to cut him down, i would have loved a cinematic scene giving me the option to drag it out or take his head swiftly...