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[bjdbwea]

I was very disappointed with the solution to the whole Howe affair. It just felt... rushed. There absolutely needed to be a cutscene after the battle, where you could decide to spare him or finally take revenge. It would've been so easy to do for the developers, yet add so much atmosphere. I can understand why the possibility to extend your revenge upon his family, as suggested in dialogue, hasn't been included. (My PCs would never do such a thing anyway.) But not to have that final conversation/decision with himself is inexcusable in my opinion.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:27 .

[Midnight Reyn]

After playing a human noble, I despised Howe, and was glad to finally confront him. But I can't help but feel sad for his family. They lose their lands, are stripped of their titles and have to live the rest of their lives knowing their father/husband was responsible for the all the death and destruction at Highever Castle. No doubt they'll be hated and shunned wherever they go, known as 'that Howe traitor's' family, fodder for gossips and bullies alike.



Is it ever mentioned anywhere that they were party to Howe's schemes? I know the codex mentions that there was no love lost between the two families in the past, but is it stated anywhere that his family were privy to his plans?

[Leo]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Is it ever mentioned anywhere that they were party to Howe's schemes? I know the codex mentions that there was no love lost between the two families in the past, but is it stated anywhere that his family were privy to his plans?

After killing Howe go to the Gnawed Noble Tavern, one of the nobles will comment that Howe's child had no idea about the Things Howe had done.

[Midnight Reyn]

Pious_Augustine wrote...

After killing Howe go to the Gnawed Noble Tavern, one of the nobles will comment that Howe's child had no idea about the Things Howe had done.

Thanks Pious - much appreciated!  I'll have to visit the tavern in my current playthrough.

Sad for the child, then.

[TheGreenLion]

Heh, I'd like to have had him hanging in a cage in front of Highever, til he rotted...much better for the crows. Just like I left Vaughan in his cell to rot...miserable bastards. But at least Howe had a decent rogue axe, despite his indecent behavior.

[back pain]

Joel171 wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic.

Then Bioware captured revenge killings perfectly. When you kill some one for revenge, a great weight does not lift off your shoulders. You do not feel releived. And, most of the time, it's not an epic battle to the death with swords making sparks etc. It's just done. The guy dies. Your loved ones are still dead. Killing the person didn't bring them back. It didn't satisfy justice to anyone other than yourself. HIS loved ones will likely see you as a murderer and swear revenge on you, thus renewing a cycle you never knew exsisted.

Revenge killings are almost always anti-climactic.

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[Murdario]

i didnt know we had this many experienced killers on the forum. i think it might be time to start posting more politely.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

There was one line that Howe says when you confront him as a Human Noble that I thought sums him up nicely. It was something to the effect of: "and theres that Cousland spirit in your eyes that thwarted me at every turn".

[Thorrior]

I was content with just killing him. You can't waste your weekend torturing the guy, because there's more pressing matters to attend to - like the Darkspawn horde marching for Denerim. What's the point of hanging his naked corpse upside down from a tree? The guy is dead. Move on.

[Bibdy]

Howe just kind of springs out of nowhere as the opportunistic scoundrel riding Loghain's coattails if you play as anything other than a Human Noble (and perhaps a City Elf, haven't played that one yet). I played as a Dwarf Noble to start with and hence my introduction to him was in the form of a cutscene after leaving to Lothering (or somewhere around there) of Howe and Loghain talking and the queen walking in. My first reaction was "Who's that?". My next reaction was "And who the hell is that?" when the queen walked in. It was all pretty confusing.

[Tigrae]

I, too, was really looking forward to absolutely gutting Howe for killing my family - I even took my family sword (that your dad gives you) with me to behead him with, and I didn't really feel like I got a payoff. I was also expecting some kind of dialogue for flashing that sword in front of him...



I was also a little disappointed that not one of my party members had anything to say to me. I helped them with all their emotional baggage, and not any of my friends in my party said one thing to me after I killed the man who destroyed my entire family.

[Thorrior]

Tigrae wrote...

I was also a little disappointed that not one of my party members had anything to say to me. I helped them with all their emotional baggage, and not any of my friends in my party said one thing to me after I killed the man who destroyed my entire family.

Sounds realistic to me.
+5 @ Bioware

[Genraku]

I found myself taunting Howe outloud when it came time to fight. Like others I had my Shield of highever and family blade equiped at first for show.. then pulled out Starfang and splattered the conceited fool's entrails over 20 feet of dungeon wall. Howe was concerned with gaining more power and prestiege, so I figured the best way to counter that would be to take away what Howe found unique in himself and make him just another upstart playing at nobility. I wanted to play my Cousland as the stoic prideful type, so at the end, Howe was just another dead fool who never learned his place.

It made the death scene oddly fit then to have Howe at his death wanting more, only to be forgotten like every other lout fool enough to raise a sword against a Cousland. He would die unmourned, given no more thought than the cold stone that bore him.

[MatronAdena]

I made it really clear I had NO interest in howe's  son * lol*  he seemed quite offended....and while kind to the son of " mothers friend" I was a ...what was it dear brotherw called me? something along the lines of a cheeky vixen of sorts, and took the lady in waiting to my chambers later....poor poor Iona....And here I would have even done anything to help her and her daughter as well to make them equils as best I could....

As for Howe.....I really wanted to slaughter his family infront of him, and force him to live with it.... sadly I know thats not what will happen, but still * pouts*

Modifié par MatronAdena, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:52 .

[Saurel]

VanDraegon wrote...

While it was satisfying to cut him down, i would have loved a cinematic scene giving me the option to drag it out or take his head swiftly...

I know I really want to make that bastard feel the pain, instead of him getting the last word about what he deserves.

[Palesblade]

Saurel wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

While it was satisfying to cut him down, i would have loved a cinematic scene giving me the option to drag it out or take his head swiftly...

I know I really want to make that bastard feel the pain, instead of him getting the last word about what he deserves.

Actually right after that cut scene I had hoped to decapitate the bastard (just like you do with some Hurlocks)...then I would have been satisfied

[Ulicus]

I was more disappointed that Howe wasn't remotely "built up" as being the skilled combatant that he actually is.

[Saurel]

Ulicus wrote...

I was more disappointed that Howe wasn't remotely "built up" as being the skilled combatant that he actually is.

hehehehe I know what was up with that? It like was like Icahabod Crane turning out to be Drizzt.

Modifié par Saurel, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:28 .

[Kalikantzaros]

Ulicus wrote...

I was more disappointed that Howe wasn't remotely "built up" as being the skilled combatant that he actually is.

Any guy in a sword-obsessed culture who wanders around carrying an axe knows something.  I started thinking, "Hmm, I should take this guy seriously as a combatent" when I saw the first cutscene where's convincing Logain to hire the Antivan Crows and Zevran, and has a axe on his back.

Didn't you ever see "The Black Shield of Falworth"? :happy:

[Popemaster123]

Joel171 wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

When I got to the part where I killed him.. it was very anti-climatic.

Then Bioware captured revenge killings perfectly. When you kill some one for revenge, a great weight does not lift off your shoulders. You do not feel releived. And, most of the time, it's not an epic battle to the death with swords making sparks etc. It's just done. The guy dies. Your loved ones are still dead. Killing the person didn't bring them back. It didn't satisfy justice to anyone other than yourself. HIS loved ones will likely see you as a murderer and swear revenge on you, thus renewing a cycle you never knew exsisted.

Revenge killings are almost always anti-climactic.

Talking from experiance?

[Roxlimn]

Technically, the normative thing to do would be to take the entire traitor's household into the winning house's coffers as spoils. You can always use the son as a disposable poison-taster, and the women - well, there are obvious uses for them.

[SonvarTheMighty]

LdyShayna wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well I did expect to see his daughter. She used to like the PC. Would have been interesting to confront her.

That's interesting.  If you play a female human noble, he has a SON, not a daughter.

I'd say it's probably likely he has both.   I just Howe played a bigger part.  Granted I hated him quite a bit after Human Noble origin but in the others the hatred and his part in the story doesn't feel quite as big. 

[Ulicus]

Kàlikantzaros wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

I was more disappointed that Howe wasn't remotely "built up" as being the skilled combatant that he actually is.

Any guy in a sword-obsessed culture who wanders around carrying an axe knows something.  I started thinking, "Hmm, I should take this guy seriously as a combatent" when I saw the first cutscene where's convincing Logain to hire the Antivan Crows and Zevran, and has a axe on his back.

Didn't you ever see "The Black Shield of Falworth"? :happy:

True enough. It'd have simply been cool to have some outright references to Howe being a BAMF. You didn't really get that sense from his backstory, he was simply "honoured for valour" or whatnot.  I suppose you can fall back on "show, don't tell", but I'd have liked to have been told too, goshdarnit.

Actually, it'd have been quite cool to have seen a short cutscene where his men finally break past the gates of the main hall and he storms in alone, taking out Ser Gilmore and all the guards with him in a flurry of badassery before stomping over to where Bryce and Eleanor are holed up.

Damn, thats going to be the story in my head from now on.

[kevinwastaken]

The city elf has reason to hate Howe as well, though not to the Cousland extent.



Howe is a fairly complex villain for a video game, and the fact that players hate him so much speaks well of DAO's writers.

[Tale Dakari]

I liked it when I had the option to tell Howe when he comes with Loghain to see Eamon that Highever belongs to the Howes only untill all the Howes are dead, but it was lame that my PC didn't get the chance to put a blade through him in the cinematic.