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[Descedent]

Just curious which dwarf everyone put on the throne...

and what did you do at the end of the chain? did you keep anvil or destroy it? did you kill the girl and save the golem? or killed the golem?

I put harromount on the throne and killed the kill, and kept shale. who apparently is a dwarf chick.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I put HArrowmont on the throne. Would have been a mistake if I destroyed the anvil. But I didn't, which helped Harrowmont be less useless. But in general, Harrowmont led the dwarves to a depression. That is the only decision that I regretted.



Behlen seems to be a much better king, butI can see that he would abuse the anvil, which Harrowmont doesn't do. So there is always a dilemna.



Behlen with Anvil = potentially bad

Behlen without anvil = good

Harrowmont without anvil = bad

Harrowmont with anvil = somewhat good

[Teshronesh]

Harrowmont with anvil is good? He reduced the commons du rubble with his golems, puts elves and men into them instead of dwarves and starts a war with Ferelden, while he completely isolates Orzammar. That is somewhat good?

[musicalfrog7]

I destroyed the anvil and chose Bhelen. Seems I am one of the few who chose Bhelen. :] Can't wait to see what will happen with Orzammar with him ruling.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Teshronesh wrote...

Harrowmont with anvil is good? He reduced the commons du rubble with his golems, puts elves and men into them instead of dwarves and starts a war with Ferelden, while he completely isolates Orzammar. That is somewhat good?

The act of kidnapping elves and men was perpatrated by Branka, when Harrowmont decided to cut production.
Then, he didn't continue the war with Ferelden and basically cut the anvil off of Orzammar, formally refusing Branka's mad wishes. Yes, that's somewhat good. Not great, but much better than Harrowmont without the anvil. All he ends up doing without the anvil is dying and the dwarves are at civil war again.

But yes, Behlen without the anvil is much better than Harrowmont even with the anvil. I wonder what Behlen would do with the anvil though, but I suspect it would not be something prudent.

And by "good", I mean political effeciency. I don't bring morality up in politics. Harrowmont without the anvil leads to civil war, which is a political failure. With the anvil, he avoids civil war, but creates stagnation, which is a lesser failure. But it's clear, and I wish I had known this earlier, Behlen is, in general, a good politician and ruler, much better than Harrowmont.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 novembre 2009 - 06:10 .

[Descedent]

interesting. i guess ill have to go back one day to see changes.

[Boeresmurf]

hmmm i havent got shale with me here... should i return to keep and get her in ?

i kinda need the 4 ppl i am using now...

[Wintermist]

musicalfrog7 wrote...

I destroyed the anvil and chose Bhelen. Seems I am one of the few who chose Bhelen. :] Can't wait to see what will happen with Orzammar with him ruling.

It's what I did too, although I didn't realize I had a choice in deciding king until later so I went with what I knew. But my next playthrough I will pay much mroe attention to the politivs there.

[Kalfear]

I originally choose Bhelen but when his first order was to execute his opponents, well it didnt fit in my goodie grand scheme.



Honestly I would have prefered a 3rd choice for dwarves as wasnt overly impressed with either choice, truth be told

I destroyed anvilbut forgot to activate Shale so have to do that next play through (plus saves wardens keep DLC for 2nd play through so I have some new content to explore in it).

Nect play through will be as a Elf rogue (havent decided on city or dalish quite yet) and will be a more neutral character rather then my first play through paladin.



Plus ill be using Wynn, Dwarf, and Stern alot more as I didnt get high influence on them in first play through.

Probably romance Morgan this time rather then Lelianna.

LOL, thats a hard choice as im head over heals for both characters.

[Flamin Jesus]

When I played I didn't really think any of the two was even a hair better than the other, but decided to go with Harrowmont based on the representatives, Bhelen's guy just felt incredibly sleazy from the moment I met him. Bhelen was obviously a power-mad fool, but I expect Harrowmont wouldn't act any differently in the same situation.

[GhoXen]

I'm curious, what happens to that Chantry dwarf in your endings? I helped him out with opening the chantry, destroyed anvil and made Harrowmont king. In the ending it says that he was killed in a protest, and that act drew the attention of the surface Chantry, and there are rumors of another exalted march.

[Rogue-Element]

I picked Harrowmont and destroyed the anvil, so far I haven't seen any bad repercussions because of it.

[Kalfear]

Rogue-Element wrote...

I picked Harrowmont and destroyed the anvil, so far I haven't seen any bad repercussions because of it.

Other then increasing the Draf issolation and never having real control over his kingdom, you mean

[moxxdaminotaur]

What happens when you chose Bhelen AND gives him the Anvil?

[PatT2]

Okay, so after the main quest ends, you get to roam around and see how it's going everywhere, is that what you're saying? The game never ends?

[Jersey75639]

The game does end but the epilogue explains what impact your actions had on the world, basically.



First time through I put harrowmont on the throne and destroyed the anvil, this time I put bhelen on and destroyed the anvil.



Harrowmont is a weak king but a good dwarf; he is very conservative, which means he wants the casteless to still be less than dirt, and he prefers staying below ground where he doesn't have to deal with surfacers.



Bhelen is a strong king that employs questionable motives to increase his power, but the kingdom as a whole benefits from this. He has Harrowmont executed because if he doesn't, it leaves the possibility of him coming back later to cause trouble. The best way to ensure stability is kill him. It isn't really an evil move, just a pragmatic one.



Some might say that Harrowmont is more of a choice for idealists, and even though he's weak, he's got right on his side and etc so good characters should want to help him win based on principle. I really disagree with this; this isn't really a straight black and white choice in any sense. Harrowmont is not good any more than Bhelen is evil, and he is by no means ideal morally, since he doesn't care about the casteless and poverty in his own city. The only real categories they can be put into are conservative and progressive; Harrowmont being conservative and Bhelen being progressive.



These really are great representations of politicians, though, both of them. Going back over the game, I really can't find any point of the story that was done badly or unrealistically (or at least, as realistically as you can get in a fantasy game).

[Taleroth]

Bhelen



I had to destroy the anvil. I had Shale in the party and she was my tank!

[Iovantucarus]

Bhelen is a sleezy bastard who if you played the dwarven noble, which I'm assuming not many people did kills your older brother the hier to the throne and blames on you, getting you thrown out of the kingdom as a exile without trail.. That pissed me off. xD None the less as a leader he's not that bad of a guy. Except that whole murdering people who get in his way thing. .....

[GmanFresh]

when i first played i chose bhelen not knowing anything about him. and saved the anvil. golem army will come in handy in the war

[MrGOH]

I destroyed the anvil and put Harrowmont on the throne because my Dwarf noble holds grudges. The dwarves got the worst ending out of all the allies, although my character was restored to his house. He ended up chilling with his buddies in Denerim, so the further decline of Orzammaer didn't bother him too much.

[Reiella]

Tassiaw wrote...

I destroyed the anvil and put Harrowmont on the throne the first time. I regret it at the end. He led the Dwarven nation to disaster. This time I destroyed the anvil and put Bhelen on the throne.

If only the middle sibling wasn't exiled... 

[AustrianAndI]

My elf destroyed the anvil and chose Bhelen. He was a jerk to kill Harrowmount, but he is a decently strong leader. Then I recruited the legion of the dead to help on land =D yay!



My dwarf noble is going to screw Bhelen over so hard, though.

[Poubo]

i was kind of hoping that my dwarf noble could re-take the Dwarven Throne considering the human noble can become king

[Reiella]

Poubo wrote...

i was kind of hoping that my dwarf noble could re-take the Dwarven Throne considering the human noble can become king

You get a better fate I believe, and one that can resolve future civil wars rather soundly.