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[darth_lopez]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

I'm fairly certain it's just an XBox problem. I checked the options multiple times and could not find anything to change the aim assist.

Don't expect things to change. Due to Varrying mouse DPI levels on the PC and the ability to snap in any direction nigh instantly Most PC games don't have auto aim Because that would make them less competative, However for some reason devs and pubs. seem to think console folks as less capable because they use an already lmited controller.

I hope your cause is effective because auto aim sucks the balls but my friend on the Xbox hasn't had any problems with it that i know of and from watching him play for like 3 hours i can say i've  never seen a problem until now.

and due to the barriers both percieved and real in regards to Controllers vs keyboards. You probably won't get that great of a change.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The console aim assist needs to be able to distinguish a far target when it passes behind/near a closer target, or between the target and an object partially in the way.

This is related to one of my pet peeves on the PC, where the slightest contact between the crosshairs or target indicator, and a close object, will make a squadmate NPC set off their power on that object instead of the actual target.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 22 octobre 2010 - 08:42 .

[termokanden]

Wow, I'm actually surprised that this hasn't been brought up before .. but I guess my thread in the general discussion forum opened people's eyes.

It has been brought up many times before by myself and many others.



I still would like to see it removed.

my friend on the Xbox hasn't had any problems with it that i know of and from watching him play for like 3 hours i can say i've never seen a problem until now.

That's because you can play just fine without noticing it in many cases. When you use Adrenaline Rush or a sniper rifle with time dilation, that's when the trouble starts. Then it's incredibly obvious and throws off your aim all the time. If you don't use Adrenaline Rush and don't snipe, odds are you don't notice it.

[kstarler]

As I play on PC, I haven't noticed any auto-aim issues with weapons, though the hammerhead example as well as the above post about powers hitting walls next to their targets leads me to believe that I have been experiencing the problem, just not as dramatically as console players. I would very much support the option to select how much the auto-aim does, the same way that ME1 allowed.

[Atmosfear3]

I don't care if theres aim assist but it needs to be turned off completely for sniping.

[ryoldschool]

I was wondering if they use the same "auto-aim" when you search for hidden objects ( like the dog tags on Normandy mission ). It sure makes it easy to find upgrades and other hidden items.

[cipher86]

Making the auto-aim smarter would probably take a lot of time. Providing an On/Off toggle would be much quicker, and I really don't see any reason why they shouldn't do it - poor auto-aim is frustrating when you know you could do it better yourself.

[Pacifien]

Just doing some maintenance type stuff and came across this thread. There's actually a description from a developer as to how the aim assist is coded to work for ME2 (page 3). He did ask for player feedback, but at a glance through the thread, I'm not sure he really got anything more than a request to be able to turn the feature off.

[Tony Gunslinger]

Pacifien wrote...

Just doing some maintenance type stuff and came across this thread. There's actually a description from a developer as to how the aim assist is coded to work for ME2 (page 3). He did ask for player feedback, but at a glance through the thread, I'm not sure he really got anything more than a request to be able to turn the feature off.

That's interesting, thanks for the info! Since that thread is locked I'll post it here and my initial thoughts:

Thomas_R_Roy wrote...

Every modern XBox shooter has some form of aim-assist. People will swear they don't exist or they have them turned off, but most games don't let you. Halo 1,2,3, CoD, Gears of War 1,2, Resident Evil 5, Borderlands, ShadowRun...etc etc etc

We have five systems:

1) Zoom-snap - When you zoom in, the camera moves towards your current target.
2) Bullet magnetism - if you were going to miss by a very small margin, we help you out. (a pretty tiny amount)
3) Friction - when you are over a target, your stick moves slower with slightly more control
4) Adhesion - as you and an enemy turn, it makes it easier to hold the same position
5) Aim-point-preservation - when you pop out of cover, we try to keep your aim point stay where you want it

I wrote most of the systems except #1. They're all tuned pretty low but all together they make a difference and make you able to turn faster and maneuver smoothly.

I think a lot of people were saying #1 and #4 are the main culprits. It may even be that it's because the settings were tuned too low that the weirdness happens. I'm guessing the low settings makes it transparent most of the time, but becomes very noticeable when #1, #3, and #4 overlap during time dilation. #1's definition of "current target" may be the same thing as when you're roaming around a group of NPCs and interactive objects, it highlights the nearest one, and then #4 tries to track "current target," but is slowed down by #3 so the reticule never quite make it in time, which you notice more under time dilation. I'm not exactly sure what #5 does other than adjusting the camera to stay the same between "crouching" and standing.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
It gets in the way sometimes, sure, but I think you're exaggerating how often it happens.

Depends on the circumstance. I play mostly sniper Infiltrator. Had my problems with the aim assist, but not too bad. Then I switched to playing a sniper Soldier and the problem occurs all the time. I'm assuming adrenaline rush and aim assist do not like each other.

[tommyt_1994]

Pacifien wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
It gets in the way sometimes, sure, but I think you're exaggerating how often it happens.

Depends on the circumstance. I play mostly sniper Infiltrator. Had my problems with the aim assist, but not too bad. Then I switched to playing a sniper Soldier and the problem occurs all the time. I'm assuming adrenaline rush and aim assist do not like each other.

It happened to me allllll the time on my widow soldier. It's really irritating and always happensat the worst possible times. Doesn't Bioware know that console gamers have a reputation for being FPS junkies? We don't need that terrible aim assist to get a head shot, especially with AR. I know most shooters have aim assist, but nothing like in ME2 . It really makes choosing the widow on the collector ship a hard decision to make.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 04 novembre 2010 - 05:39 .

[ryoldschool]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
It gets in the way sometimes, sure, but I think you're exaggerating how often it happens.

Depends on the circumstance. I play mostly sniper Infiltrator. Had my problems with the aim assist, but not too bad. Then I switched to playing a sniper Soldier and the problem occurs all the time. I'm assuming adrenaline rush and aim assist do not like each other.

It happened to me allllll the time on my widow soldier. It's really irritating and always happensat the worst possible times. Doesn't Bioware know that console gamers have a reputation for being FPS junkies? We don't need that terrible aim assist to get a head shot, especially with AR. I know most shooters have aim assist, but nothing like in ME2 . It really makes choosing the widow on the collector ship a hard decision to make.

I appreciate the developer comment that was posted, it shows that they went to a lot of trouble to try to make this shooter good on xbox.  I honestly did not see the big problem here ( although with the videos posted in this thread I know that they do exist under some circumstances ).

Sniping with AR - I wait until the target pops out of cover ( I have the cross hair already over where I expect him to show up ), when he does I hit left trigger to zoom, then AR then take the shot immediately.  If you don't have a headshot right away - don't take the shot because you won't like trying to navigate to the target under AR zoom.  I played ME2 for a long time without seeing the problems shown in the videos.

I hope folks looking at this thread don't think the game is busted because of this problem.  Its more interesting to play that any other shooter I've played. 

[aeetos21]

/agreed



if people need autoaim then they should play on a lower level. that being said i say give the option to disable it in me3

[ChopSuaay]

Well, yesterday, when I played the game on insanity (Spoiler warning) in the Derelict Reaper the Husks that were to close to me when I was trying to snipe the Scion were luring the aim off of it. Not a major problem for me but they should take it of when your aiming with the sniper. No other complains about it. Maybe put an option to take it off on specific weapons in the options menu in ME3 if possible.

[Gravbh]

I fully support this. I primarily play on the PC version now, but I did buy the 360 version first b/c that's where my ME1 saves were and I hadn't considered using a save editor at the time.



Using a bolt-action sniper rifle and having to fight the aim assist while trying to get a headshot on a target that is moving sideways is very annoying. Instead of just putting the crosshairs slightly in front of the target and waiting for it to move into them, the aim assist tries to constantly lead said target as it moves. It's a crapshoot on anything that isn't standing still.



The console version of Battlefield Bad Company 2 doesn't have aim assist and has dedicated servers. That game is proof that consoles don't have to accept inferior formats. I wish more devs would follow that game's lead.

[ScroguBlitzen]

Thomas_R_Roy wrote...

Every modern XBox shooter has some form of aim-assist. People will swear they don't exist or they have them turned off, but most games don't let you. Halo 1,2,3, CoD, Gears of War 1,2, Resident Evil 5, Borderlands, ShadowRun...etc etc etc

We have five systems:

1) Zoom-snap - When you zoom in, the camera moves towards your current target.
2) Bullet magnetism - if you were going to miss by a very small margin, we help you out. (a pretty tiny amount)
3) Friction - when you are over a target, your stick moves slower with slightly more control
4) Adhesion - as you and an enemy turn, it makes it easier to hold the same position
5) Aim-point-preservation - when you pop out of cover, we try to keep your aim point stay where you want it

I wrote most of the systems except #1. They're all tuned pretty low but all together they make a difference and make you able to turn faster and maneuver smoothly.

I believe I found a work-around for the Zoom-Snap (which is the worst of the 5 IMO). (btw- I already posted in general, but they are incompetent in there.)

If you use the Right trigger to start your zoom and then switch to the left trigger (before you fire) then you don't get the Zoom-Snap towards your target.  This only works when you're docked in cover though since otherwise the right trigger just makes you hip-fire.

Concerning the other types of Aim Assist:

Friction and/or Adhesion also suck, but more for me on Vanguard when I'm circling an opponent, the friction will keep my gun on the first target when i'm trying to aim at a second behind him.  You have to compensate by yanking harder away from the first mob.  These are also the ones that cause an enemy running in front of you to drag your target reticle with him while sniping.

The only two that are fine in principal are Bullet Magnetism and Aim Point Preservation.

Modifié par ScroguBlitzen, 10 décembre 2010 - 04:00 .

[Praetor Knight]

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

(btw- I already posted in general, but they are incompetent in there.)

Ouch, sorry for not meeting your expectations.

What about massive_effect's testing?

[ScroguBlitzen]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

(btw- I already posted in general, but they are incompetent in there.)

Ouch, sorry for not meeting your expectations.

What about massive_effect's testing?

Not talking about you of course

massive_effect's "testing" was also incompetent.  He was zooming in on an empty map with NO enemies.  How exactly does that test Zoom-Snap?  You need to test it by aiming at a canister (or something else) when there is an enemy nearby.  Zoom-Snap will pull your zoom towards the target as in my video:   
It would be good for some people familiar with the problem to test my work-around.

Modifié par ScroguBlitzen, 10 décembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Praetor Knight]

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

massive_effect's "testing" was also incompetent.  He was zooming in on an empty map with NO enemies.  How exactly does that test Zoom-Snap?  You need to test it by aiming at a canister (or something else) when there is an enemy nearby.  Zoom-Snap will pull your zoom towards the target as in my video:   
It would be good for some people familiar with the problem to test my work-around.

I can understand what you mean with the test, but I'd like to add that there is also drift in the aim, as massive_effect showed, that makes the problem worse when firing from weird angles as I usually did in AR as a soldier.

I can try sometime this weekend to do further testing, but I think I've fired the way you mentioned here and there when i've gotten frustrated, but have not deliberate testing yet.

either way I also hope Bioware could provide sensitivity sliders or something similar to adjust the aim-assist on 360, maybe the sliders are set too low.

cheers:D