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[Panurge Pantagruel]

Chosing to be King/prince-consort at the Landsmeet is not right, is it?
I mean, even though are the one person that united Ferelden and brought down Loghain, the right thing to do would be let either Alistair and/or Anora reign, don't you guys agree?

And it looks like Bioware left this path (the righteous palladin-like path) easy to see by pairing you with Alistair and Arl Eamon, who by the way, is not even present at the ending scene at the court if you choose to marry Anora.

Sorry for the title but it was the best I could think of to avoid spoilers there .

[sylvanaerie]

Its possible to justify being king/prince if you are doing it because you know Alistair doesn't want the throne and certainly doesn't want to be married to Anora. You are uniting the land and bringing stability to it once the Landsmeet is resolved (however you resolve it). Provided you let Anora run things afterward you get a golden age. Otherwise, you will be squabbling too much over the throne and who wears the pants in the family (hint: its probably NOT you) to get much done.

[Panurge Pantagruel]

Yeah, thats one way of looking at it!

Pity that Arl Eamon apparently doesn't fell the same.

Even after you saved the guy's life, plus his wife's and son's, he won't show up at the Ending ceremony?!

Also, the dialog choices between you and Anora, after you have finished the landsmeet and agreed to marry her, are a bit on the selfish side. She asks if you're still interested in marrying her and your only direct answer is: "if it will get me the throne..."

I feel that the folks at bioware were counting on your character being an a** that only marries her to become king.

[ejoslin]

It actually is easy for me when I play a HNF to justify taking the crown -- Cousland is a better pedigree than Mac Tir (I don't CARE).



How do you justify it as a HNM? Alistair is the bastard son of Maric, many of the nobles think he's unfit to rule, and many people felt Bryce Cousland should be king. It's a uniting of the two highest noble families in Ferelden, that would lead to more stability in the nation.

[Panurge Pantagruel]

Really? When/who says that Brice should be king?

[Reika]

Panurge Pantagruel wrote...

Really? When/who says that Brice should be king?

It's been mentioned by DG a few times, and also in...I can't remember which one, but there was some fiction where there was talk of Bryce being made king instead of Cailan, but he refused.

[sylvanaerie]

Dairren mentions it in the HNO when you talk to him in the Study. Bryce was popular among the nobles and the populace and could have taken the crown if he wanted (According to Dairren) but he admits its probably a rumor born out of love for your family. That said, the Couslands are one of the oldest noble families in the country (I believe they even predate Calanhad).

[Panurge Pantagruel]

Reika wrote...

Panurge Pantagruel wrote...

Really? When/who says that Brice should be king?

It's been mentioned by DG a few times, and also in...I can't remember which one, but there was some fiction where there was talk of Bryce being made king instead of Cailan, but he refused.

Oh, that changes things then...

Thanks for the input!

Now, I haven't played Awakening yet (will soon, so please don't spoil it! hehe) but it seems that the consequences for choosing to reign beside (more like under) Anora are small, right? Just a yes or no will suffice

How about Dragon Age 2?! ( Will it be related to the Origins characters? Will you be able to import the DA:origins/awakening character to it?) What do you guys think (or perhaps even know) would be the consequences of reigning along with Anora for DA2's story, if any?

[CalJones]

Arl Eamon is a giganic sphincter and I wish we'd had the option to put a pillow over the bastard's face.

What he wants is not my concern. He's a manipulative man who wants power but is too much of a wimp to take it for himself, so he live vicariously through Cailan, and when he dies, goes for Plan B, aka Alistair, the boy he threw out on his ear when his Orlesian trollop stamped her dainty feet. He's a user, plain and simple. I use every opportunity to disappoint him.

As far as DA2 goes, no, it has nothing to do with the Origins characters. You will get to import your decisions, and as such, I suppose they will get a cursory mention in DA2 much as your ME decisions showed up in ME2 as emails, news stories and the odd cameo. Only it'll likely be codex entries, books and rumours and the odd cameo.

Modifié par CalJones, 19 octobre 2010 - 08:22 .

[Lynnway]

Did anyone else find it odd that while playing as a Cousland, he/she had, according to the king, never met him? Even though he/she was the son/daughter of one of only two teyrns in Ferelden? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Your DA2 question was answered above. As for Awakening, hmm...that depends. Though your Warden will be mentioned as being a member of court, if you married royalty in Origins.

Modifié par Lynnway, 19 octobre 2010 - 10:59 .

[Persephone]

Panurge Pantagruel wrote...

Yeah, thats one way of looking at it!
Pity that Arl Eamon apparently doesn't fell the same.
Even after you saved the guy's life, plus his wife's and son's, he won't show up at the Ending ceremony?!

Yeah, well, you did not play his game. He wants to rule through Alistair. Alistair = Eamon by proxy.

In my playthroughs Anora usually becomes solo queen or marries my HN. I am not a Princess Cous Cous fan and I never make Alistair king anymore. So Eamon always hates me.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I find it tragic that people automatically associate ambition with immorality these days.

[Esbatty]

I've only made myself King once, but I can say I wanted to make an honest go of being a good King and Husband. Its not my fault Morrigan comes back. F' Ferelden... she's got my baby, and heart.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it tragic that people automatically associate ambition with immorality these days.

Oh, I don't mind the ambition (I support Anora, after all), I mind is Eamon's benevolent father figure act. He wants to rule as much as Anora does and he uses the child he let sleep with the dogs and abandoned to the Chantry to do it. He is utterly ruthless in my eyes, yet he acts like a concerned grandfather.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I was more referring to the op Persephone

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I was more referring to the op Persephone

Whoops. Sorry, KOP.

[sylvanaerie]

CalJones wrote...

Arl Eamon is a giganic sphincter and I wish we'd had the option to put a pillow over the bastard's face.

What he wants is not my concern. He's a manipulative man who wants power but is too much of a wimp to take it for himself, so he live vicariously through Cailan, and when he dies, goes for Plan B, aka Alistair, the boy he threw out on his ear when his Orlesian trollop stamped her dainty feet. He's a user, plain and simple. I use every opportunity to disappoint him.

As far as DA2 goes, no, it has nothing to do with the Origins characters. You will get to import your decisions, and as such, I suppose they will get a cursory mention in DA2 much as your ME decisions showed up in ME2 as emails, news stories and the odd cameo. Only it'll likely be codex entries, books and rumours and the odd cameo.

I  this idea...It would leave Teagan as Arl of Redcliffe, I don't care who's sitting on the throne. My HNF will marry Teagan and be Arlessa (after feeding that stupid cow to Jowan's ritual) as well as Teryn Fergus' sister after the dust settles.  Then grab for Teyrna of Gwaren and I think that might sew up the country for the Couslands... ALso being an Arlessa/Teyrna makes her less of a target than Queen Anora

How's that for ambition, KoP?

Can we get a mod for this?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Very nice In fact, considering how the bannorn is slowly uniting around Redcliff (according to witch hunt), that would be a good idea.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it tragic that people automatically associate ambition with immorality these days.

Sadly, most people with ambition these days pretty much are very immoral, hence the association. It is sad. Ambition, correctly harnessed and utilized, is a wonderful thing that continually propells people to better themselves and their societies as a whole. 

@ the OP: One can be ambitious and very moral. If one wishes to seize power because they feel and know that change is needed desperately, then it is a honorable thing they do, since their intention is to advance the greater welfare of Ferelden. Anora alone might not be able to achieve this, thus, choosing to take the throne with her, if your HMN's intention is to bring about a Golden Age for Ferelden, or start the country along a path that will bring it greater prosperity, is a very moral thing to do.

Making Alistair king could be a pretty immoral choice. He doesn't want it. You have to harden him, and even then, there's reluctance. It is also Eamon's idea, and I personally think Eamon sees it as a chance to further his own conservative ambitions. Putting a reluctant man, who may or may not be the puppet or tool of another's ambitions, is quite immoral. Taking the throne in his place, especially if you play a reluctant noble, would be a far more noble choice.

But ambition, in itself, is not an evil thing. It's only bad if it revolves around your own benefit without any regard for others, or harming others to further personal goals that only benefit you or the short term.

[blothulfur]

The divine right of a certain bloodline of kings to rule over Ferelden should be crushed before it ever starts again, seize power and form the landsmeet into a parliament elected by the people before some madman drags the whole country down with his greed and arrogance a la the stewarts. Once we worshipped kings and gods but now we revere only truth.

[sylvanaerie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Very nice In fact, considering how the bannorn is slowly uniting around Redcliff (according to witch hunt), that would be a good idea.

Is it?  I didn't get witch hunt (I want more than 5 minutes with Morrigan, way too much to say in that time).  I do know its one of the more strategically placed Arlings in Ferelden.  Was just thinking in terms of that.  Hmmm I'm more ambitious than even I thought...
Plus, yea there is the whole "Marry Teagan" that makes it attractive too!

[Bullets McDeath]

The great thing is, you can play it any way you want and it works. If you want to be a conniving politico, you can steal the throne out from under Alistair and take the power for yourself and there you are. However, under different circumstances, you can do it for the best interests of Ferelden and/or to save Alistair from taking on a lifetime of responsibility that he doesn't want, and that plays out just as well.

[Sarah1281]

blothulfur wrote...

The divine right of a certain bloodline of kings to rule over Ferelden should be crushed before it ever starts again, seize power and form the landsmeet into a parliament elected by the people before some madman drags the whole country down with his greed and arrogance a la the stewarts. Once we worshipped kings and gods but now we revere only truth.

First of all, no one says anything about divine right. At all. Given how easily the Landsmeet will agree to Anora executing Alistair, they really don't appear to care. It's a tradition they value, not anything they think the Maker is involved in. Also, maybe you should worry more about stopping the bannorn from going to war over apple trees than about setting up a parliament. I mean, really. These people just aren't ready.

[Xilizhra]

Sadly, most people with ambition these days pretty much are very immoral, hence the association. It is sad. Ambition, correctly harnessed and utilized, is a wonderful thing that continually propells people to better themselves and their societies as a whole.

These days? It's never really been different; those who want power are rarely the ones who'd be best to wield it.

[Sarah1281]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sadly, most people with ambition these days pretty much are very immoral, hence the association. It is sad. Ambition, correctly harnessed and utilized, is a wonderful thing that continually propells people to better themselves and their societies as a whole.

These days? It's never really been different; those who want power are rarely the ones who'd be best to wield it.

Really? The fact that they want power makes them unworthy? Should we be turning to the people who are either unqualified to rule or simply don't give a damn about doing it? You'd think those that cannot do it or are apathetic towards it would really be the ones not best to rule.