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[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I never said that the Chantry would allow this; I said he ordered Greagoir to have the templars recognize that the new Tower would be given autonomy, and that's precisely what this scene depicts.

In addition, I'm completely against Greagoir's argument here; there's no reason that armed and armored drug addicts should be given total control over men, women, and children. The incident at the Tower never would have happened had mages been given autonomy in the first place. The Dales, Arlathan, and the Disciples of Haven are proof that mages can exist with non-mages and not destroy all of Thedas; even Rivian has mages in positions of authority, based on the codex by Brother Genitivi.

If the Chantry doesn't allow it and Alistair is forced to quickly rescind his orders then that is not a show of strength from him and actually points away from him having a backbone.

Also, Uldred's possession by a pride demon was what caused the situation at the Tower to get out of control. The blood mages would have still been there but they would have known what was going on and not had such chaos had Uldred not been possessed and then started forcibly turning others into abominations. Uldred could have been tempted and possessed at any point in time and the mages having autonomy would NOT have stopped Uldred's rampage. Besides, until the lyrium drives them mad and they retire, we have no reason to think that being addicted to lyrium in any way prevents them from guarding the mages and keeping order.

You're speculating there. From what we're shown, Alistair commands Greagoir to allow the mages to be free. What results from this isn't entirely clear, but if the US ending and the post-DR ending lead to the same conclusion, then the templars are still a presence in the post-US ending because the new Circle Tower hasn't been built; WH takes place at the current Circle Tower Kinloch Hold. Whether the King would be willing to go up against the Chantry in the name of a dead friend or lover is impossible for me to say, I'm not the Head Writer nor do I know how the US ending factors into the Chantry saying no for the Magi boon requested by a living Warden of the Circle of Magi. Regardless of how you want to quantify this particular action, his willingness to change things for the elves - putting the Elder of the Alienage in the royal court despite the controversy it elicits - shows backbone.

In regards to the mages, the Dales, Arlathan, Rivain, and the Disciples of Andraste in Haven are proof that mages don't need to be locked up from non-mages and living under the tyranny of the Chantry. The current Dalish clans are lead by Keepers, who are mages and descended from the ruling families of the Dales and Arlathan. The mages in Haven had positions of power, like Father Eirik, and Kolgrim's knowledge about the Urn may be inferred as possible magic ability. Brother Genitivi's codex about Rivain mentions that they value mages very highly. As for Uldred, why assume there's any reason he would put his knowledge of demonology to use in the Circle Tower for any reason beyond seeing the mages freed from the Chantry? Uldred's possession by a Pride Demon happened solely because he was revolting against the Chantry. To speculate that it could have happened at any other time would require that he would ever feel the need to call on such demons within the vicinity of the Circle Tower, except there's no reason he would need to do such a thing. He was going up against mages and templars alike - all of the blood mages fighting with him were trying to gain their freedom from the Chantry.

[Sarah1281]

Fine, I'm SPECULATING that when we were told that the Chantry will not just quietly allow Ferelden to free its mages that the mages will not be free without a war. I'm SPECULATING that Alistair won't be willing to face an exalted march over freedom for mages, especially so soon after a Blight ravaged the land. YOU are speculating that Alistair telling Greagoir that he INTENDS to free the mages once the new Tower is built means that he'll do it and not back down, threat of exalted march be damned.

[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

If the Chantry doesn't allow it and Alistair is forced to quickly rescind his orders then that is not a show of strength from him and actually points away from him having a backbone. 

=Speculating.

Sarah1281 wrote...

Fine, I'm SPECULATING that when we were told that the Chantry will not just quietly allow Ferelden to free its mages that the mages will not be free without a war. I'm SPECULATING that Alistair won't be willing to face an exalted march over freedom for mages, especially so soon after a Blight ravaged the land. YOU are speculating that Alistair telling Greagoir that he INTENDS to free the mages once the new Tower is built means that he'll do it and not back down, threat of exalted march be damned.

Considering that you yourself quoted Alistair ordering Greagoir to leave the new Tower alone in the US ending, how am I speculating that he ordered Greagoir and the templars to recognize the mages being given the right to govern themselves?

Modifié par LobselVith8, 20 octobre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Sarah1281]

And when discussing the future, EVERYTHING is speculation. When discussing things that could have happened but didn't, the same is true. "Yeah, well, that's SPECULATION!" is just not enough to dismiss an argument. Yes, it's speculation. That doesn't mean it's not supported by what's in the game or Word of God. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And when discussing the future, EVERYTHING is speculation. When discussing things that could have happened but didn't, the same is true. "Yeah, well, that's SPECULATION!" is just not enough to dismiss an argument. Yes, it's speculation. That doesn't mean it's not supported by what's in the game or Word of God. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Referencing Alistair telling Greagoir that the new Tower would be handed over to the mages isn't speculation; it's part of the game - the US ending to be precise - that we can visually see and hear.

[Sarah1281]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

If the Chantry doesn't allow it and Alistair is forced to quickly rescind his orders then that is not a show of strength from him and actually points away from him having a backbone. 

=Speculating.

*facepalm*

Fact: Alistair says, "You know, I think I'll free the mages once a new Tower is built."
Fact: The Chantry says they will not allow it.
Speculation: If Alistair tries to do it anyway, the Chantry will react badly.
Fact: The Chantry has threatened Exalted Marches for less.
Fact: The Chantry has conducted Exalted Marches in the past.
Speculation: The Chantry may lead an Exalted March against Ferelden if they try to free the mages.
Speculation: Alistair and Ferelden at large will not want an Exalted March.
Speculation: Orlais could stand to benefit a great deal from this Exalted March.
Fact: The headquarters of the Chantry is in Orlais.
Speculation: Alistair will not go through with freeing the mages.

Now, again, saying "SPECULATION!" is not going to convince me or anyone else that I'm wrong on this or anything else.

Why don't, instead, you explain why the Chantry - despite not being okay with this - will not act to stop Alistair from freeing the mages and weakening their power in one nation thus setting the precedent to do so in others? Why not explain why Alistair would go through with it when faced with an Exalted March? Why not try an actual argument instead of just parroting 'SPECULATION!'? 

[Sarah1281]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And when discussing the future, EVERYTHING is speculation. When discussing things that could have happened but didn't, the same is true. "Yeah, well, that's SPECULATION!" is just not enough to dismiss an argument. Yes, it's speculation. That doesn't mean it's not supported by what's in the game or Word of God. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Referencing Alistair telling Greagoir that the new Tower would be handed over to the mages isn't speculation; it's part of the game - the US ending to be precise - that we can visually see and hear.

 Yes, that is a part of the game. Alistair does say, before he gets a chance to talk to the Chantry (OMG! Another speculation! He could have gone down to Orlais to talk about it before bothering to have the Warden's funeral!), that he wants to free the mages. Merely saying "I want to free the mages" does is not a show of strength. Since the Chantry will not let him do it and it's too high a price to pay for a minor issue to most of the country (SPECULATION!), why would he go ahead and risk an Exalted March (SPECULATION!) in order to free them? There's having a backbone and then there's inviting Orlais to reconquer them.

[maxernst]

Sarah1281 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And when discussing the future, EVERYTHING is speculation. When discussing things that could have happened but didn't, the same is true. "Yeah, well, that's SPECULATION!" is just not enough to dismiss an argument. Yes, it's speculation. That doesn't mean it's not supported by what's in the game or Word of God. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Referencing Alistair telling Greagoir that the new Tower would be handed over to the mages isn't speculation; it's part of the game - the US ending to be precise - that we can visually see and hear.

 Yes, that is a part of the game. Alistair does say, before he gets a chance to talk to the Chantry (OMG! Another speculation! He could have gone down to Orlais to talk about it before bothering to have the Warden's funeral!), that he wants to free the mages. Merely saying "I want to free the mages" does is not a show of strength. Since the Chantry will not let him do it and it's too high a price to pay for a minor issue to most of the country (SPECULATION!), why would he go ahead and risk an Exalted March (SPECULATION!) in order to free them? There's having a backbone and then there's inviting Orlais to reconquer them.

Interesting argument from a Loghain fan, given that Loghain encourages the mages in open rebellion against the Chantry.

[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Now, again, saying "SPECULATION!" is not going to convince me or anyone else that I'm wrong on this or anything else.

Why don't, instead, you explain why the Chantry - despite not being okay with this - will not act to stop Alistair from freeing the mages and weakening their power in one nation thus setting the precedent to do so in others? Why not explain why Alistair would go through with it when faced with an Exalted March? Why not try an actual argument instead of just parroting 'SPECULATION!'? 

You ranting isn't an articulate argument for why Alistair doesn't have a backbone, either. I never said that things would work out, I never said the Chantry would accept it. I said that Alistair was willing to order Greagoir to let the mages be free - that's all. It's the US ending - that's all I was referencing. I've never claimed that it would work out, but I also never said that Alistair would "quickly" rescind the demand, either.

Sarah1281 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And when discussing the future, EVERYTHING is speculation. When discussing things that could have happened but didn't, the same is true. "Yeah, well, that's SPECULATION!" is just not enough to dismiss an argument. Yes, it's speculation. That doesn't mean it's not supported by what's in the game or Word of God. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Referencing Alistair telling Greagoir that the new Tower would be handed over to the mages isn't speculation; it's part of the game - the US ending to be precise - that we can visually see and hear.

 Yes, that is a part of the game. Alistair does say, before he gets a chance to talk to the Chantry (OMG! Another speculation! He could have gone down to Orlais to talk about it before bothering to have the Warden's funeral!), that he wants to free the mages. Merely saying "I want to free the mages" does is not a show of strength. Since the Chantry will not let him do it and it's too high a price to pay for a minor issue to most of the country (SPECULATION!), why would he go ahead and risk an Exalted March (SPECULATION!) in order to free them? There's having a backbone and then there's inviting Orlais to reconquer them.

Saying that he wants the mages to be free isn't a show of strength? He's basically done what no other ruler (to our knowledge) in the history of Thedas was willing to do - advocate freedom for the mages. How is that not a show of strength?

[Xilizhra]

I think there's a bit of a miscommunication here. Sarah's not saying that the Chantry is right, just that it's more powerful than Alistair.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think there's a bit of a miscommunication here. Sarah's not saying that the Chantry is right, just that it's more powerful than Alistair.

It's a religious institution, so I'd agree it has a great deal of power and influence across Thedas, including Ferelden. There's no doubt they wouldn't accept the Circles being free, especially since they treat them as little more than their personal thralls against the Qunari and to craft runes when they're turned into emotionless drones. Hopefully, DA2 will permit the opportunity to rectify the issue with the mages.

[Sarah1281]

Interesting argument from a Loghain fan, given that Loghain encourages the mages in open rebellion against the Chantry.

So liking Loghain means I have to agree with him on everything at all times? Good to know. I don't think it can be done without war.

You ranting isn't an articulate argument for why Alistair doesn't have a backbone, either. I never said that things would work out, I never said the Chantry would accept it. I said that Alistair was willing to order Greagoir to let the mages be free - that's all. It's the US ending - that's all I was referencing. I've never claimed that it would work out, but I also never said that Alistair would "quickly" rescind the demand, either.

And I never claimed he never had a backbone. And I wasn't ranting. I just hate it when people dismiss arguments with a quick 'Yeah, but that's speculation' or 'That's just your opinion.' All I'm saying is that Alistair failing to free the mages is not proof of a backbone.

Saying that he wants the mages to be free isn't a show of strength? He's basically done what no other ruler (to our knowledge) in the history of Thedas was willing to do - advocate freedom for the mages. How is that not a show of strength?

Because he fails. Unless he fails at the end of a long and bloody war, he capitulates to them and the threat of war.

[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You ranting isn't an articulate argument for why Alistair doesn't have a backbone, either. I never said that things would work out, I never said the Chantry would accept it. I said that Alistair was willing to order Greagoir to let the mages be free - that's all. It's the US ending - that's all I was referencing. I've never claimed that it would work out, but I also never said that Alistair would "quickly" rescind the demand, either.

And I never claimed he never had a backbone. And I wasn't ranting. I just hate it when people dismiss arguments with a quick 'Yeah, but that's speculation' or 'That's just your opinion.' All I'm saying is that Alistair failing to free the mages is not proof of a backbone.

I said it in reference to King Alistair "quickly rescinding" his demand to Knight-Commander Greagoir about the mages being given their freeedom in the US ending. I agree that the Chantry isn't going to let go of the mages that they treat as little more than their personal slaves, but Alistair - a man who was trained as a templar (and even Leliana had confused him as having been a former templar herself) and a Grey Warden who participated in the end of the Fifth Blight - taking the stand to say that they earned their freedom goes a long way from the Chantry's B.S. about mages and magic. It's the ruler of an entire nation publicly denouncing the idea of the mages not having the freedom to govern themselves.

Sarah1281 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Saying that he wants the mages to be free isn't a show of strength? He's basically done what no other ruler (to our knowledge) in the history of Thedas was willing to do - advocate freedom for the mages. How is that not a show of strength?

Because he fails. Unless he fails at the end of a long and bloody war, he capitulates to them and the threat of war.

While I agree that the Circle Tower is still under the control of the Chantry, we don't know what Alistair or Anora are doing about the Circle of Magi and the Magi boon. Despite the fact that neither of them can deal with the power of a religious institution that covers most of Thedas, it's not a show of weakness that both of them are willing to demand that mages are given their freedom in the first place. I'd say that Alistair likely has more of a personal investment in seeing this get done because of a possible friendship with the Magi Warden, but maybe that's going to be covered in DA2, which seems to be about (at least in part) the Chantry and the mages.

[Sylriel]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

My HN Warden, male or female, will have a strong influence over the throne.

I can see that as the case if the Warden is a female Cousland and married to Alistair, but if you're talking about a male Cousland marrying Anora, your Warden is relegated to Prince-Consort by Anora, regardless of whether you agreed to being Prince or King-Consort.

Who said any of my HN Wardens would marry Anora?  Did you bother to read my original post in its entirity?  Or did you just focus on what first caught your attention which in this case appears to be Alistair?

Really, if you are going to argue against something, at least have the courtesy of reading everything completely.

Here is my original post once again.  I will highlight what you missed.

Sylriel wrote...

There are going to be as many different answers to this question of morality and ambition as there are players really.  To get a "true" answer, you will need to set certain parameters and dictate moral guidelines.  The question is how would you do that?  Whose guidelines and parameters do you choose?  Do you use your own?  Do you use someone else's?  How do you get others to agree?

It is too much of a headache for me to think about and offer my arguments so I am personally going to stay away from it.  Suffice to say, when I play HN's, I play as follows:

• If I am playing my HNM, Alistair becomes king with my Warden as his advisor.
• If I am playing my HNF, my HNF becomes queen in a political marriage (I'm male and usually like to get in character, but I can't do it very well when playing female characters and usually do not get involved with the romantic stuff).
• I do not like Anora and her attitude so she goes to the tower.  If I could, I would throw her to the denizens of Denerim and let them have their way with her.  I'm too lazy to make a mod for that.

Regardless of the talk Alistair gives about doing more for himself, he has a weak spine.  That will not change overnight if at all.  He will always be weak in one way or another.  So a Cousland will have power over the throne!  Ha!  Take that, Loghaine and Howe!

As for another topic, what is with the attraction with Teagan?  The guy was a coward who hid in the chantry hall during the attack on Redcliffe.

So you see, NONE of HN Wardens will ever marry Anora.  She lives out her life in a dungeon if she's lucky.

[Persephone]

Sylriel wrote...

• I do not like Anora and her attitude so she goes to the tower.  If I could, I would throw her to the denizens of Denerim and let them have their way with her.  I'm too lazy to make a mod for that.

Do do that to ANY woman makes me shudder. As a woman I can only say: Thank God that that's not possible.

[Persephone]

Sarah1281 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wait - you can actually LOSE the battle at redcliffe???

And the game doesn't end?

No. You can tell them you're not going to help and then leave. If you leave at any point after Tomas takes you to Teagan and before you face the zombies that night and go further than camp, there's a cutscene of the zombies killing everyone and you find Teagan, barely alive, in the Chantry.

WOW. Sounds powerful. But it's another choice I could never make.

[stormrain]

Persephone wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

• I do not like Anora and her attitude so she goes to the tower.  If I could, I would throw her to the denizens of Denerim and let them have their way with her.  I'm too lazy to make a mod for that.

Do do that to ANY woman makes me shudder. As a woman I can only say: Thank God that that's not possible.

Agreed. As much as I think Anora is a manipulative ****, the horrific implications in such a decision are enough to stay my sadism.

[Sarah1281]

Persephone wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wait - you can actually LOSE the battle at redcliffe???

And the game doesn't end?

No. You can tell them you're not going to help and then leave. If you leave at any point after Tomas takes you to Teagan and before you face the zombies that night and go further than camp, there's a cutscene of the zombies killing everyone and you find Teagan, barely alive, in the Chantry.

WOW. Sounds powerful. But it's another choice I could never make.

I saved the game beforehand and did that and it was just...wow. Watching Teagan lose it like that...Isolde actually pissed me off for once when she came running out of the castle because it's one thing if the village is more-or-less fine but if it's utterly destroyed and she won't even acknowledge it until you point it out? Then Teagan was willing to go into a trap despite being pretty much convinced I was just going to abandon them again...

[LobselVith8]

Sylriel wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

My HN Warden, male or female, will have a strong influence over the throne.

I can see that as the case if the Warden is a female Cousland and married to Alistair, but if you're talking about a male Cousland marrying Anora, your Warden is relegated to Prince-Consort by Anora, regardless of whether you agreed to being Prince or King-Consort.

Who said any of my HN Wardens would marry Anora?  Did you bother to read my original post in its entirity?  Or did you just focus on what first caught your attention which in this case appears to be Alistair?

Actually, I did. Your reply to me was merely:

Sylriel wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
... a whole bunch of things to prove Alistair all of a sudden grows a backbone overnight...

Well, regardless of your opinion on the existence of Alistair's backbone, I refer you back to the original intent of my earlier post:

My HN Warden, male or female, will have a strong influence over the throne.

AND

What is with the attraction with Teagan, the coward of Redcliffe?

I was responding to that particular post. If you didn't bother to actually include any of this information in your response to me, I don't see how I was supposed to know what you intended based on a prior post that wasn't intended for me.

[Sylriel]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

My HN Warden, male or female, will have a strong influence over the throne.

I can see that as the case if the Warden is a female Cousland and married to Alistair, but if you're talking about a male Cousland marrying Anora, your Warden is relegated to Prince-Consort by Anora, regardless of whether you agreed to being Prince or King-Consort.

Who said any of my HN Wardens would marry Anora?  Did you bother to read my original post in its entirity?  Or did you just focus on what first caught your attention which in this case appears to be Alistair?

Actually, I did. Your reply to me was merely:

Sylriel wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
... a whole bunch of things to prove Alistair all of a sudden grows a backbone overnight...

Well, regardless of your opinion on the existence of Alistair's backbone, I refer you back to the original intent of my earlier post:

My HN Warden, male or female, will have a strong influence over the throne.

AND

What is with the attraction with Teagan, the coward of Redcliffe?

I was responding to that particular post. If you didn't bother to actually include any of this information in your response to me, I don't see how I was supposed to know what you intended based on a prior post that wasn't intended for me.

If you had read my original post as you claim you did, then what was the basis for your response concerning becoming prince-consort?  My post specifically stated Anora was not going to be made queen ever.

From the very beginning of this entire line of conversation, you have been off base.  Instead of addressing my original post, you took something entirely out of context and then miss something else completely.

That post of mine you quoted where I refer you back to the intent of my original post was designed to have you go back to the original post and really should not have been necessary.  And yet, now you claim you were later addressing the referral rather than what you were being referred back to?

You just proved I was correct in my assumption you did not read everything. I did not include any of those "missing" information because this all originated from my original post which you responded to.  The entire line of argument stemming from it is one.  The fact that I pointed you back to my original post twice should have made this apparent to you.


We are done here.  We have veered completely off topic with this.

-----

My answer to the original topic of this thread in short and abbreviated form to prevent people from confusing themselves in the future is this:

There are sure to be moral questions to arise from my Human Noble Wardens choice.  Despite them however, my Human Noble Warden will have power over the throne though of Ferelden though influence either as Alistair's advisor if male, or as Alistair's queen if female.  Anora will be considered as a threat, both as the former queen and as a daughter of Loghaine, and shall be removed with extreme prejudice.  All this to spite Howe and Loghaine for their attempts to destroy my Warden and the Cousland family.

LobselVith8,

If you wish to have further discussion, do so in line with the topic of this thread and address the new reformatted answer I quoted above.

[Sylriel]

Persephone wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

I do not like Anora and her attitude so she goes to the
tower.  If I could, I would throw her to
the denizens of Denerim and let them have their way with her.  I'm too lazy to make a mod for that.

Do do that to ANY woman makes me shudder. As a woman I can
only say: Thank God that that's not possible.

Well, my Human Noble Warden might not actually do that, however, Anora is still a major threat that must be dealt with.  Anora does not hesitate have Alistair executed as soon as she is chosen to rule for the same reason unless the Warden intercedes.

I see it as a self preservation of sorts in politics.  Besides, Mama Cousland did tell my Warden to "visit vengeance" which I know was at the time was directed at Howe.  But considering Anora is the offspring of the man who collaborated with the murderer Howe, it is not hard to imagine my Warden being resentful enough to be willing to extend that umm..."honor" towards Anora (yes, that was sarcasm).

Modifié par Sylriel, 22 octobre 2010 - 01:33 .

[Sarah1281]

@Sylriel: Does your Warden freak out about Nathaniel as well?

[Panurge Pantagruel]

Wait, regardless of what should be done to/about Anora (Sylriel does have point about her being a clear threat), what about the future of Ferelden?

Aren't wardens infertile? Don't they die shortly after mid-age?

If so then, taking the throne for yourself (male warden) or as partner of Alistair (female W), marrying Alistair with Anora or even supporting Alistair as sole ruler would all end up in a similar way: in 20-30 years Ferelden would be without a king/queen and without a heir to the throne to fill the power vacuum and avoid a possible civil war. And even though the warden still has his brother Fergus as a blood relative and therefore next in line, there are no guaranties that Anora, who will probably be very alive by the time the warden decides to go and die in the deep roads (mine would go there for sure! One last battle at the Dead Trenches!), would let Fergus count as a successor or Fergus' possible future son.

Seems like only if Anora remain as the sole ruler for the time being, later taking a husband and having a son with him, will there be any chance of stability in the long run. Or not?

[Sylriel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

@Sylriel: Does your Warden freak out about Nathaniel as well?

No, I believe by the time of Awakenings situations and feelings would be different.

During Origins and specially during the time of the Landsmeet, many things are happening all at once.  And throughout the Warden's entire journey in Origins, there is a feeling of desperation in the air.

The Blight is coming and an army must be raised.  The Warden and his/her companions are wanted fugitives.  During the Landsmeet, the rightful leader must be placed on the throne and the Warden must confront the people who wanted to destroy him/her and his/her family line.  The Warden had to fight one war to fight another.  Everything is boiling to a crisis point that I can imagine my Human Noble Warden leaning towards a sense of impatient cruelty.

In Awakening, there has been six months of relative calm and peace.  The end of the Blight has brought a sense of relief.  Howe is dead along with Loghaine.  Yes, I do have Loghaine executed.  I forgot to mention this before.  Howe's family has been pretty much been stripped and disgraced.

I think by the time of Awakening, my Human Noble Warden will have a much cooler temperament than during Origins.  That that's how I play them. 

[Sarah1281]

Not.

Epilogue slide...

As the years passed, Anora continued to rebuff the advice of Ferelden's nobility requesting that she remarry. Though prospective suitors from other nations visit Denerim from time to time, the queen's only comment is that all of them fall far short of the bar she measures them against: that of her father.

Ferelden is probably going to need to find a new monarch for the next generation, if only so that if there are future games that take place in the next generation they can just have one king or queen instead of needing to account for Alistair + bride's child, Alistair + HNF's child, Alistair +Anora's child, Anora + HNM's child, AND Anora + groom's child. The children of five different sets of parents won't be the same, after all.



That isn't to say that your Warden can't assume that Anora will get married (and Eamon was wrong about her being barren) and put her on the throne alone for that reason.



Anora has no reason that I can see not to name an heir given that she will not have children. Why not Fergus' children? The Couslands are avid royalists. If not his children then someone else's. She'll have to name someone to prevent a civil war from breaking out upon her death.