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[Sarah1281]

Many strong believers in love also disapprove of getting Cammen and Gheyna together. Because of you, Cammen might actually reproduce.

[Giggles_Manically]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Many strong believers in love also disapprove of getting Cammen and Gheyna together. Because of you, Cammen might actually reproduce.

She also thinks helping them is a waste of time, with a curse to cure and all.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Did Morrigan need someone to intercede to convince her to like you? Ifr she doesn't like you then she doesn't like you, and having you send someone to convince her otherwise would be seen as pathetic by her probably. Perfectly within character.

And Cammen must not be allowed to reproduce.

[Giggles_Manically]

Nuke him from orbit.

ONLY

WAY

TO BE

SURE!

[asaiasai]

After 22 plays i have learned that when dealing with the Dalish it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten at camp. I have also learned that when dealing with the tower it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten at camp. I have learned that when dealing with Redcliffe it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten in camp. And finally when dealing with Oz it is best to leave Morrigan at camp. Pretty much it is best to leave Morrigan at camp and ignore her or suffer the her disapproval at pretty much everything you do. Rather annoying really.



Asai

[ejoslin]

I like having Morrigan in my party. She may disapprove a lot, but gah, it's not like she doesn't have a TON of gifts. And she is the ONLY one who has anything comforting to say at all to a DC in Orz.

I like Sten too. Sten is interesting in many many places. I think DA would be a bit boring with a party of Alistair/Wynne/Zevran/Warden (maximum approval party for the good folks -- well, aside from Zevran at the anvil I suppose, but it's an easy persuade check) all the time.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 octobre 2010 - 04:44 .

[Lenimph]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 Cammen might actually reproduce.

 THE HORROR!

[Aggie Punbot]

Not hypocritical at all. She believes (or wants to believe) that her relationship with the Dalish warden is only physical and not based on love or emotion of any kind. Cammen and Gheyna's relationship is clearly more about love and thus she disapproves.



At worst she's lying to herself about her feelings for the warden, not being hypocritical.

[asaiasai]

ejoslin wrote...

I like having Morrigan in my party. She may disapprove a lot, but gah, it's not like she doesn't have a TON of gifts. And she is the ONLY one who has anything comforting to say at all to a DC in Orz.

I like Sten too. Sten is interesting in many many places. I think DA would be a bit boring with a party of Alistair/Wynne/Zevran/Warden (maximum approval party for the good folks -- well, aside from Zevran at the anvil I suppose, but it's an easy persuade check) all the time.

True enough. I understand Sten and will use him to do the missions i just do all the talkie stuff with those who will approve to avoid having to remember to re boost thier loyalty for something as simple as the out come of a converstaion that i have decided long before how it will play out. Morrigan on the other hand........ I will spare you folks the details, if you really must know someone here will be able to fill you in.

I usually do have 2 teams my Goths which is Zeveran, Morrigan, and Sten and my Preppies which is Wynne, Leliana and Allistair.

I do find myself drifting more and more to the same 3 characters depending on the class make up i need.

PC tank, Wynne heals, Leliana, *Dog guards Wynne
PC rogue, Shale tanks, Wynne heals,* Dog guards Wynne
PC mage DPS, Shale tanks, Leliana, Wynne heals
* the tactics set up for Dog is to attack anything attacking Wynne, as the healer she is most important to keep free from aggro and Dog works real well in this capacity.


After 22 plays this is where i have found my self settling which i started to notice was happening around play 12 or so. Pretty much the last time Morrigan left camp as the one last attempt try and find something tolerable in her character, alas to no avail.

Asai

[Esbatty]

For once I agree with Asai, unless you're playing an utter bastich or beotch of a Warden she likes very little except accepting bribes or lots of power. Her one good move is freeing Sten at Lothering but then again he disapproves of good stuff.



Too bad none of the Feast Day pranks included a Suit of Armor with a Heated Prybar for the both of them.

[Tempus63]

I agree whole heartedly. I really enjoy having Morrigan in my party. She adds the sarcastic, sometimes cynical attitude, that can make things rather enjoyable. And as a bonus, as previously noted, she is loaded with lots of goodies.

[CalJones]

I like having Morrigan and Sten in party. For Redcliffe, I go pick up Sten's sword, get Dwyn to join the fight, then go to the tavern and bully Berwick and Lloyd into fighting. Sten approves of all three. I then remove him from party, add Leliana, visit the smithy, then pick her flower up by the windmill, then remove her again before getting the holy symbols for Ser Perth.

Morrigan is only added to party before I go to the battle or into the castle (she approves of letting Jowan out). Sten definitely doesn't come to the castle (he disapproves). Alistair also disapproves but, well, this is pretty much his quest, so too bad.

[asaiasai]

CalJones wrote...

I like having Morrigan and Sten in party. For Redcliffe, I go pick up Sten's sword, get Dwyn to join the fight, then go to the tavern and bully Berwick and Lloyd into fighting. Sten approves of all three. I then remove him from party, add Leliana, visit the smithy, then pick her flower up by the windmill, then remove her again before getting the holy symbols for Ser Perth.
Morrigan is only added to party before I go to the battle or into the castle (she approves of letting Jowan out). Sten definitely doesn't come to the castle (he disapproves). Alistair also disapproves but, well, this is pretty much his quest, so too bad.

That is probably the best way to maximize the approval of the party but it seems like alot of extra work. Yea and for Redcliffe being Allistair's stomping grounds he does have his moments when i want to give him a smack. Especially when you do the quest the best way (everybody lives go to the tower) and then you get back to camp and he is all like stern when he says he wants to talk about Redcliffe i know he is happy but his initial approach gave me pause. Honestly though i think EVERY character has that moment where you just want to punch them in the face, some do have more than others though i just have arrived at the point where i know where those locations are and leave the complainers at camp and just make do with who will smile.

Asai

[CalJones]

Alistair has several moments where I want to punch him in the face.

[Sarah1281]

On a more serious note the one disapproval of hers that I actually do find hypocritical, is the one where she wants to save the Anvil and make more golems and yet if you ask her if she would be willing to be made into a golem, she is all "Hell no!". Well wouldn't you think that would be most people's response into being made a golem?! And with proof that people were forced to be golems in the past...

But they ARE talking about strictly using volunteers and there were plenty of volunteers in the past. It was only after enough time passed and the king started trying to get rid of people he didn't like (and presumably they'd used up all their supply of volunteers) that people were forced to become golems. Requiring that you would be fine with being forced into becoming a golem before you're allowed to support using volunteers without being called hypocritical is a bit much.

[ejoslin]

 Golems can save so many more lives than are enslaved -- possibly be Orzammar's salvation.
Hmmm, Zevran disapproves if you destroy the anvil, but I guess he's not a hypocrite as if you fail the persuade check, he has THIS to say!
I have to admit, my low-persuasion playthrough was one of the most fun ones.  Who cares so much about approval?  MOST of your companions will end up maxed anyway -- unless you don't want that.

[LobselVith8]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I am not bothered by most of Morrigan's disapprovals, in fact I find a lot of them funny as I do with this one. And I know that Morrigan doesn't want to admit her love for the Warden. That was why I said I wasn't 100% serious with this thread. I just found it humorous that Morrigan is disapproving of these little elves in love while she loves one too.

On a more serious note the one disapproval of hers that I actually do find hypocritical, is the one where she wants to save the Anvil and make more golems and yet if you ask her if she would be willing to be made into a golem, she is all "Hell no!". Well wouldn't you think that would be most people's response into being made a golem?! And with proof that people were forced to be golems in the past...

I think it's more an issue of what Morrigan finds to be important: ending the Blight. The Warden is wasting time getting two people together when he or she could be working to gather the army to stop the Archdemon. It's why she advocates leaving the villagers of Redcliffe to defend themselves and doesn't understand why the Warden intercedes on behalf of the people of Lothering with the unsavory merchant. As for the anvil, it's an issue of enpowering the Warden against the Blight: the golems are very powerful, and useful against the darkspawn. It's why she approves of the blood ritual in the alienage; these decisions allow the Warden to be more enpowered against the darkspawn army and the archdemon. Four golems can handle themselves against the darkspawn while it would take thirty dwarves to accomplish the same thing. Morrigan's decisions tend to be pragmatic.

[Sarah1281]

LobselVith8 wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

I am not bothered by most of Morrigan's disapprovals, in fact I find a lot of them funny as I do with this one. And I know that Morrigan doesn't want to admit her love for the Warden. That was why I said I wasn't 100% serious with this thread. I just found it humorous that Morrigan is disapproving of these little elves in love while she loves one too.

On a more serious note the one disapproval of hers that I actually do find hypocritical, is the one where she wants to save the Anvil and make more golems and yet if you ask her if she would be willing to be made into a golem, she is all "Hell no!". Well wouldn't you think that would be most people's response into being made a golem?! And with proof that people were forced to be golems in the past...

I think it's more an issue of what Morrigan finds to be important: ending the Blight. The Warden is wasting time getting two people together when he or she could be working to gather the army to stop the Archdemon. It's why she advocates leaving the villagers of Redcliffe to defend themselves and doesn't understand why the Warden intercedes on behalf of the people of Lothering with the unsavory merchant. As for the anvil, it's an issue of enpowering the Warden against the Blight: the golems are very powerful, and useful against the darkspawn. It's why she approves of the blood ritual in the alienage; these decisions allow the Warden to be more enpowered against the darkspawn army and the archdemon. Four golems can handle themselves against the darkspawn while it would take thirty dwarves to accomplish the same thing. Morrigan's decisions tend to be pragmatic.

Yeah, if she thought being involved with you would impede the Blight-defeating, love or not, she'd end it.

[Sarah1281]

Modifié par Sarah1281, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Zjarcal]

asaiasai wrote...

After 22 plays i have learned that when dealing with the Dalish it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten at camp. I have also learned that when dealing with the tower it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten at camp. I have learned that when dealing with Redcliffe it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten in camp. And finally when dealing with Oz it is best to leave Morrigan at camp. Pretty much it is best to leave Morrigan at camp and ignore her or suffer the her disapproval at pretty much everything you do. Rather annoying really.

Asai

This idea that Morrigan disapproves of all the "good choices" is inaccurate to say the least.

The only place where Morrigan strongly disapproves is in Redcliffe (and that's if you choose to help everyone).

I didn't lose a single approval point with her in the Circle Tower (even when taking Wynne with you).

In the Nature of the Beast quest the only approval I lost was for giving Athras the scarf and saying that his wife sent her love (and it was a very minor approval drop, 3 points I think). If you choose to help Cammen, you deserve the disapproval!

In Orzammar you only lose 1 approval point if you choose to destroy the Anvil (if you fail the persuade check it's 5 points)

In Haven you don't lose any approval regardless of choice (assuming you choose the correct dialogues).

So this idea that Morrigan disapproves of everything everywhere is quite false.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:29 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Well, one, it's criminal contamination of the gene pool by allowing Cammen to reproduce.

Secondly, as a male Warden, you just passed up an easy chance for a quickie with Gheyna.

So...yeah, in addition to the perception that Cammen is weak and that it does nothing to contribute to defeating the Blight, that's why she disapproves. Sten does the same thing in Haven when he challenges the Warden to a duel.

And yes, there are many moments where I think Alistair could have some sense knocked into him, but I (bromantically) love the dork anyway. Warden/Alistair/Morrigan/Sten tends to be my A-Team.

"Rogues? Where we're going we don't need rogues."

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:54 .

[LobselVith8]

asaiasai wrote...

After 22 plays i have learned that when dealing with the Dalish it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten at camp. I have also learned that when dealing with the tower it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten at camp. I have learned that when dealing with Redcliffe it is best to leave Morrigan and Sten in camp. And finally when dealing with Oz it is best to leave Morrigan at camp. Pretty much it is best to leave Morrigan at camp and ignore her or suffer the her disapproval at pretty much everything you do. Rather annoying really.

Asai

Taking Sten with you to Kinloch Hold may lead to disapproval, but it also opens up the reality of mages living among the Qunari. Morrigan openly disagrees with helping them, but mentioning that she could have suffered the same fate that they did if Flemeth didn't shield her from the templars leads to no loss of approval. As for Orzammar, when does Morrigan disapprove? Morrigan doesn't disapprove of the choice to help Dagna get into the Circle of Ferelden or even if Brother Burkel is helped with getting a Chantry open in Orzammar. Morrigan is pragmatic, but she advocates choices that enpower the Warden to stop the Archdemon and end the Blight. She doesn't try to kill you if you disagree with her or go against her wishes; Morrigan is at the Warden's side throughout the ordeal with the Blight, helping save a nation that detests apostates like her, villifies all mages, and outright murders them or turns them into emotionless slaves.