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[mellifera]

Hey you guys, what's going on in here?

[KnightofPhoenix]

[ejoslin]

I was going to post a screenie of Morrigan and Cammen, but I have a feeling that would NOT be nearly as funny as I think it would be...

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

I was going to post a screenie of Morrigan and Cammen, but I have a feeling that would NOT be nearly as funny as I think it would be...

NOOOO!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 19 octobre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Giggles_Manically]

ejoslin wrote...

I was going to post a screenie of Morrigan and Cammen, but I have a feeling that would NOT be nearly as funny as I think it would be...

Why must your hurt us so ejoslin?
WHY!

[CalJones]

I'd love to see a mod that put Cammen's head onto Alistair's body.

[Obadiah]

dream_operator23 wrote...
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The fact that she says, "Does anyone else feel the urge to vomit?" after Gheyna fauns all over Cammen is what makes me think that.

Morrigan actually sounds like she is vomitting when you smile at that girl in Redcliffe.

[Tigress M]

CalJones wrote...

I'd love to see a mod that put Cammen's head onto Alistair's body.

I think I'm going to be sick.  

[Sylriel]

[Cammen must be allowed to marry and he must be allowed to reproduce!  And other weaklings like him must be encouraged to reproduce as well!  It is all part of the Chantry's master plan to allow for a weaker Dalish race.  A race that will be easier to subjugate and enslave in a few generations!]

Oops!  Did I just type that outloud?! 

What I meant to say was,

Who are we to stand in the way of young love?  It should be allowed to flourish, encourage even.

It is so heartwarming to see that even with the prosecution from humans, even through their people's wondering in the wilderness, even in the midst of a crisis where so many of their fellow hunters are in danger of becoming raving monsters, love has found a foothold with these young people.  :happy:

[/puke!!!]

[TheBlackBaron]

CalJones wrote...

I'd love to see a mod that put Cammen's head onto Alistair's body.

I'm afraid the urge to go post that in the Alistair thread would be too strong (sorry girls!).

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...

I was going to post a screenie of Morrigan and Cammen, but I have a feeling that would NOT be nearly as funny as I think it would be...

.....

[stormrain]

I think Morrigan's dissaproval tendencies have been exagerrated. She's pragmatic, as others have already said. If you know her character well enough, you should be able to gain a pretty high approval with dialogue alone. I did it, and was RPing a "good" PC.



[quote]ejoslin wrote...
I was going to post a screenie of Morrigan and Cammen, but I have a feeling that would NOT be nearly as funny as I think it would be...[/quote]
[quote]CalJones wrote...
I'd love to see a mod that put Cammen's head onto Alistair's body.[/quote]
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Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 20 octobre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Sarah1281]

Being self-centered doesn't make her a hypocrite. Being pragmatic means 'dealing or concerned with facts or actual occurrences; practical.' Is it practical for her to act against her own interests? Not really.

[Zjarcal]

dream_operator23 wrote...

You will only get Morrigan to agree to let Wynne in the party with no disapproval if you have level 3 coercion at the point where you tell her she could have been one of them. Otherwise she will disapprove of that decision.

Not true.

You do not need to use coercion for that. As long as you pick the lines, "Why do you treat the Circle with such scorn?" and then "It could've been you if things were different.", she won't disapprove. The last line does not require a persuade check.

EDIT: I was mistaken

Modifié par Zjarcal, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:53 .

[wickedgoodreed]

Zjarcal wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

You will only get Morrigan to agree to let Wynne in the party with no disapproval if you have level 3 coercion at the point where you tell her she could have been one of them. Otherwise she will disapprove of that decision.

Not true.

You do not need to use coercion for that. As long as you pick the lines, "Why do you treat the Circle with such scorn?" and then "It could've been you if things were different.", she won't disapprove. The last line does not require a persuade check.

Actually, even though there's nothing to indicate it's a persuade option, I have gotten two different responses from her after choosing those exact lines.  In one she relents and doesn't disapprove.  In the other she scoffs, gets offended at the suggestion, and does disapprove. No idea what the difference was between the playthroughs. 

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:38 .

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

You will only get Morrigan to agree to let Wynne in the party with no disapproval if you have level 3 coercion at the point where you tell her she could have been one of them. Otherwise she will disapprove of that decision.

Not true.

You do not need to use coercion for that. As long as you pick the lines, "Why do you treat the Circle with such scorn?" and then "It could've been you if things were different.", she won't disapprove. The last line does not require a persuade check.

Actually, even though there's nothing to indicate it's a persuade option, I have gotten two different responses from her after choosing those exact lines.  In one she relents and doesn't disapprove.  In the other she scoffs, gets offended at the suggestion, and does disapprove. No idea what the difference was between the playthroughs. 

So perhaps there's a hidden persuade check even if the line doesn't have the "persuade" thingy before it? Hmm, I'll go check in the toolset to confirm this.

It does make sense to be honest for it to be a persuade line.

[Brockololly]

Zjarcal wrote...

So perhaps there's a hidden persuade check even if the line doesn't have the "persuade" thingy before it? Hmm, I'll go check in the toolset to confirm this.

It does make sense to be honest for it to be a persuade line.

I think there may be a persuade check there, but I'm not sure without going in the toolset.

I wish DA was bit more transparent with the persuade checks and all that, like Fallout is...

[TheBlackBaron]

Zjarcal wrote...
So perhaps there's a hidden persuade check even if the line doesn't have the "persuade" thingy before it? Hmm, I'll go check in the toolset to confirm this.

It does make sense to be honest for it to be a persuade line.

There's definitely a hidden something in there that the game checks - I remember that scene on my second game, as a MAmell, and it confused the heck out of me because when she had different lines and no approval loss, as opposed to the result from my first time around.

[RavenousBear]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

You will only get Morrigan to agree to let Wynne in the party with no disapproval if you have level 3 coercion at the point where you tell her she could have been one of them. Otherwise she will disapprove of that decision.

Not true.

You do not need to use coercion for that. As long as you pick the lines, "Why do you treat the Circle with such scorn?" and then "It could've been you if things were different.", she won't disapprove. The last line does not require a persuade check.

Actually, even though there's nothing to indicate it's a persuade option, I have gotten two different responses from her after choosing those exact lines.  In one she relents and doesn't disapprove.  In the other she scoffs, gets offended at the suggestion, and does disapprove. No idea what the difference was between the playthroughs. 

I went through this part yesterday with my recent character who failed to convince Morrigan and received negative approval. My character had 2 skill points in coercion and a few attribute points in cunning (including gear).

I remember  previous characters of mine who had at least 3 pts in coercion were able to get by the dialogue without any negative approval from Morrigan, so I believe coercion does determine if you can convince Morrigan to go with your plan.

[Zjarcal]

Ha, you're right wicked! And dream_operator, sorry about the previous post, I was mistaken.

There is a "high" persuade check (level 3 coercion) in there indeed, just saw it in the toolset. I guess they forgot to label it as a persuade line. It makes sense really, Morrigan shouldn't approve so easily of helping the mages.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:54 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morrigan doesn't display coherence all the time. But about her objection to saving mages. She has a point. You might say "she could have been one of them so she couldn't have fought for her freedom". Well what about Anders (whom I think Morrigan would respect a lot)? Didn't he try to resist? Didn't he seek freedom above all else? Why can't the rest be like him?

Of course this is not a realistic expectation, ironically even Anders doesn't think it is. But where she is coming she is taught that freedom is above all else, it's unimaginable and / or confusing to her how anyone could willingly decide to forfeit it and not resist (which they *could* do, they just choose not to, for understandable reasons that for her, unless persuaded, wouldn't be understandable). And so for her, she has no reason to sympathize or care at first glance, this is a fate they chose for themselves.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 octobre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Zjarcal]

@KoP:



I agree.



It makes perfect sense for her to question the mages willingness to be subjugated to the Templars. And given that Wynne is the one acting as spokesperson for the mages, it's a no brainer she doesn't want to help unless persuaded. Even persuaded, it's more a case of just not protesting as opposed to actually wanting to help.



Considering I share Morrigan's views on freedom (and a heavy disdain for the Circle), her attitude here is quite fine with me.



And damn, Morrigan and Anders would've been such an excellent pair to have in you party at the same time.

[TheBlackBaron]

Zjarcal wrote...
And damn, Morrigan and Anders would've been such an excellent pair to have in you party at the same time.

I'm not sure my party could handle that much cocentrated awesome, once you add in the Warden.

In fact, looking at that Anders thread, I'm starting to think he might be some stiff competition for the Warden in his romantic pursuits...

*masculinity threatened*