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[AtamskArchadian]

 I have recently played through Mass Effect 2's storyline a couple times and something occurred to me, throughout the game at certain times during intense moments and even in casual conversations the subject of "Dark Energy" is brought up several times. Now I know this could probably have been talked about before, even so I had to talk about this here among others who share my intrest in this game. I am thinking that Dark Energy will play a crucial role in Mass Effect 3 as a emerging dilemma that will probably evolve in to a crisis. I myself at this point have about a handful of knowledge on Dark Energy, I do know it is the energy of our universe a source of power that allows it to grow, also that it accounts for 74% of the mass energy of our verse.

I know that many or at least some of you out there have or can recall hearing the subject of Dark Energy brought up and will recall quickly that in the mission to rescue/recruit Tali Zorra Vas Neema (Currently Vas Normandy) she and her team of tech and science experts accompanied by the Migrant Fleet Marines led by Kal Reager went to the planet Heastrom to gather data on that solar systems star because it was aging prematurely. Also another instance in which Dark Energy was brought up was when you again helped that agent for Noveria: Gianna Parasini on Illium, she said that "alot of people are suddenly intrested in Dark Energy; my superiors wanna know if its something to worry about". So do I.

I have been coming up with possible theories as to what this could mean for the next Mass Effect game, I have more than a few but it's like what happens in the show House, to come up with possible ideas or plans the doctors bounce ideas off one another to come up with a solution and I'm sure as heck am not gonna be able to do that with all my friends on xbox live stuck playing Halo Reach or Modern Warfare or Gears and I need to pass the time until the 26th when Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2 comes out so lets begin the discussion shall we?

"I don't give a damn!" 

"You let Asari that can kill you with their BRAINS run around, but you give US flak about guns?!" 
-Wrex, Mass Effect

[chris025657]

AtamskArchadian wrote...

 I have recently played through Mass Effect 2's storyline a couple times and something occurred to me, throughout the game at certain times during intense moments and even in casual conversations the subject of "Dark Energy" is brought up several times. Now I know this could probably have been talked about before, even so I had to talk about this here among others who share my intrest in this game. I am thinking that Dark Energy will play a crucial role in Mass Effect 3 as a emerging dilemma that will probably evolve in to a crisis. I myself at this point have about a handful of knowledge on Dark Energy, I do know it is the energy of our universe a source of power that allows it to grow, also that it accounts for 74% of the mass energy of our verse.

Of course dark energy is going to be used in the plot of ME3. It's a Chekhov's gun.

Your description of dark energy isn't quite accurate. Dark energy is really just the placeholder term for the unexpected acceleration of the expansion of the universe. You can estimate the amount of mass required to have that kind of effect at about 74% of the mass of the universe, but dark energy really isn't understood, hence the "dark" part. 

I'm not sure how dark energy is going to be related to the Reaper threat though. 

[Blackbelt749]

chris025657 wrote...

AtamskArchadian wrote...

 I have recently played through Mass Effect 2's storyline a couple times and something occurred to me, throughout the game at certain times during intense moments and even in casual conversations the subject of "Dark Energy" is brought up several times. Now I know this could probably have been talked about before, even so I had to talk about this here among others who share my intrest in this game. I am thinking that Dark Energy will play a crucial role in Mass Effect 3 as a emerging dilemma that will probably evolve in to a crisis. I myself at this point have about a handful of knowledge on Dark Energy, I do know it is the energy of our universe a source of power that allows it to grow, also that it accounts for 74% of the mass energy of our verse.

Of course dark energy is going to be used in the plot of ME3. It's a Chekhov's gun.

Your description of dark energy isn't quite accurate. Dark energy is really just the placeholder term for the unexpected acceleration of the expansion of the universe. You can estimate the amount of mass required to have that kind of effect at about 74% of the mass of the universe, but dark energy really isn't understood, hence the "dark" part. 

I'm not sure how dark energy is going to be related to the Reaper threat though. 

That link has made my day. I'm now going to spend hours reading that.

To be on-topic, one thing I noticed when talking about dark energy at Tali's trial, that a small tune of ominous music plays in the background. Not really and in-character tip off, but I definately think that dark energy will mean something, whether it's just a side quest or part of the main story.

Modifié par Blackbelt749, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:22 .

[forestsavage]

Personally i believe that it's the "red thread" that binds the games together. The purpose of the Reapers is to stabilize the galaxy and in doing that also removing any organic life that can utilize and manipulate dark energy, since it's most likely this that creates the disturbances in the galaxy. Listen to the Reapers in the end of Mass Effect Retribution as they explain their role as the keepers of the galactic cycle and that trying to change our role/purpose (organics like humans) will lead to our destruction. The further evolution will lead to large scale and widespread manipulation of dark energy through mass effect and this will disturb the stability of the galaxy (like the sun at Haestrom), the role of the Reapers as tools is/were to prevent this. To manipulate the dark energy by creating tunnels or compacting it will have an effect on the expansion/movement of the galaxy, this is probably why the mass relays are stationed where they are, to cause minimal disturbance. Why else are the Reapers staying far from the Milky way out in dark space and only entering the galaxy for a century or so every 50.000yrs. ?


So it will essentially be the story of the third game, not to fight the Reapers (how can we, it's impossible!) but to render them unnecessary by saving and stabilizing the galaxy.

Modifié par forestsavage, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Talogrungi]

Yes, I do.

My current thinking is that, denied easy access to our galaxy (twice) by the stalwart band of adventuring badasses led by Shepard, the Reapers have finally resigned themselves to having to reach us the old fashioned way .. by flying here.

Now, it's logical to assume that there's a good reason they didn't do this in the first place .. it's either going to take a very long time and they don't want civilizations to advance to the point where their technology is a threat, or it's going to use so much of their remaining power that when they DO reach us, they won't be able to curbstomp us.

The former seems unlikely .. for reasons of plot, we need the Reapers to be an imminent threat so that Shepard is still around to give them a good kicking. Still, it's possible that Dark Energy will play a role in this scenario; perhaps it's the technology that would speed up the Reaper invasion and Shepard has to prevent it from doing so, thereby stranding the Reapers in dark space .. at least for the forseeable future.

The latter is quite possible. If (for example) the Reapers lacked the power reserves to maintain their uber-shields-of-invulnerability It would allow for cool ship-on-ship battles where our allied ships stood a decent chance of taking the Reapers in a fair fight, possibly leading to the Reapers attempting to harness Dark Energy as a medium for tipping the balance back in their favour.

Another possibility is the "Lost Superweapon" scenario, where our plucky heroes (re)discover the technology of Dark Energy and/or the weapons used to scar Klendagon and are able to use them to curbstomp the Reapers at the 11th hour.

[Aramintai]

I was thinking that maybe this whole "Dark Energy" thing in the background is Reapers plan C of invading the galaxy. Maybe they secretly activated some device, like some type of Mass Relay, which powers up by feeding off the Haestrom sun's energy. And when it will finish powering up and activates then they will swarm through it. The question that remains is where is this device? It seems that neither geth nor quarians had found anything like that in that system. Maybe it is located within the sun's close proximity, or cloaked.

Another guess is that the geth activity in that system maybe related to building that "Dyson sphere" megastructure Legion talked about. Maybe they are building it around that sun and the structure is feeding off the energy from it. Again, no certain data available, as it wasn't mentioned in the game where the geth are building it or what exactly they were doing on Haestrom.

But it's all just wild guess. Most likely something sinister is going on with the dark energy and it will play a role in ME3, but what it's used for and why is hard to tell for now.

[NYG1991]

Dark energy is already a big part of the story as it's pretty much what is behind mass effect fields and biotics. So in part 3 it's bound to be a major part of the story not so much a super weapon but rather as an explanation of the reapers motives and methods. The reapers have mastered manipulating it and organics are going to have to learn/adapt to survive the battle.

[GuardianAngel470]

It should be obvious that Dark Energy is going to kill us all and that Harbinger is our salvation through destruction.



I mean, look how it destabilized haestroms sun. That could happen everywhere.



We're going to have to find a different avenue of technology if we want to survive.



Also, the plot twist of ME3 will be that we will need gunpowerder cannons to bypass the Reaper's shields.

[Aramintai]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

It should be obvious that Dark Energy is going to kill us all and that Harbinger is our salvation through destruction.

I mean, look how it destabilized haestroms sun. That could happen everywhere.

We're going to have to find a different avenue of technology if we want to survive.

That's assuming that the dark energy effect is either some natural phenomenon or somehow related to the extensive use of Mass Relays. I don't belive that it's natural, rather some outside force is making an effect on the relatively young sun as Tali suggested herself. And I don't believe that Mass Relays are the culprit in that case, because they were there for numerous destruction cycles already and Reapers wouldn't have built them in the first place if they were so dangerous to the balance of the galaxy. Intentionally exposing sentient organics to destructive technology is not very logical, especially if they may never even develop it on their own. And to assume that the Reapers goal is balance is also not proven, they are as enigmatic in their purpose as they ever were.
However, come to think of it - can Mass Relay be used remotely by the Reapers to make this effect on the sun? Maybe it's that same device I've been talking about earlier - powering up shortcut for the Reapers and it is located in a Far Rim cluster on the verge of the galaxy, closer to the dark space.

Modifié par Aramintai, 19 octobre 2010 - 08:06 .

[Moiaussi]

There would also be 'holes' in the galaxy where there were prior reapings, since those people would have to have been 'saved' too. I mean ... significant sections of the galaxy can't just age rapidly out of step with everything else and it not be noticable.



It might be a cyclic phenomenon, but unlikely a dooming one.

[wizardryforever]

Maybe the dark energy phenomenon is the reason for the Reapers invading every once in a while?  Perhaps organic civilizations build up too much dark energy that snowballs into a huge problem over time.  This could be why the Reapers were created, to preserve the balance of energy/dark energy.  By cleaning out the galaxy of mass effect drives and the civilizations that make them, they are trying to ensure that the whole galaxy doesn't go the way of Haestrom's sun (Dholen)?  Their creators used them much like the Keepers on the Citadel, to maintain the galaxy as habitable for life.  That could have been their original goal, but they may have changed when they destroyed their creators.  Now they maintain the galaxy, but they do it to also facilitate their own race, hence why they left the Mass Relays and the citadel.  They need organics to reproduce, but they still need to maintain their original function for organic life to continue.

Wild theory, I guess.  We'll find out in ME3!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Not my problem.

[Jonathan Shepard]

forestsavage wrote...

Personally i believe that it's the "red thread" that binds the games together. The purpose of the Reapers is to stabilize the galaxy and in doing that also removing any organic life that can utilize and manipulate dark energy, since it's most likely this that creates the disturbances in the galaxy. Listen to the Reapers in the end of Mass Effect Retribution as they explain their role as the keepers of the galactic cycle and that trying to change our role/purpose (organics like humans) will lead to our destruction. The further evolution will lead to large scale and widespread manipulation of dark energy through mass effect and this will disturb the stability of the galaxy (like the sun at Haestrom), the role of the Reapers as tools is/were to prevent this. To manipulate the dark energy by creating tunnels or compacting it will have an effect on the expansion/movement of the galaxy, this is probably why the mass relays are stationed where they are, to cause minimal disturbance. Why else are the Reapers staying far from the Milky way out in dark space and only entering the galaxy for a century or so every 50.000yrs. ?


So it will essentially be the story of the third game, not to fight the Reapers (how can we, it's impossible!) but to render them unnecessary by saving and stabilizing the galaxy.

Mind = blown. I can't think of anything the Reapers have said that can contradict this in the least... And it totally makes sense. 

[Ranger1337]

I guess its safe to say the idea was completely thrown out the airlock...