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[KnightofPhoenix]

As much as I like talking about Elven history, this was not the purpose of the thread. So can we please go back to the darkspawn and try to explore their psyche? (Or try to relate your thoughts on elven history back to the darkspawn, please).

Many people apparently interpret the symbol as wings. It could be wings that represent the dragons and the Imperium used it as such and it does not necessarily represent a crescent moon, that's fine. What I am interested in is a possible correlation between the Darkspawn symbol and a possible Tevinter symbol. I am reminded by the fact that the darkspawn do seem to be interested in dragons. At the Battle of Denerim, outside Fort drakon, we fight a female dragon. In Awakening, the Architect's faction also seemed pretty interested in dragons and apparently breeding them?

Now the darkspawn are far from being the only group interested in dragons. But if that crescent / wing symbol is supposed to represent dragons, as seen in the Dragon's Peak symbol, then that might be another dimension to it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 octobre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Morroian]

MortalEngines wrote...

However, I have no doubt that Elves and their 'gods' as well as the Tevinter 'gods' both had something to do with darkspawn creation. Actually, I'm unsure whether the maker is in the equation at all. For all we known, the long drawn out war between Elvenhenan and Tevinter might of been what caused the darkspawn.

One of the demons you come across in DAO says there is no maker and was no Golden City. On the flipside demons lie.

[blothulfur]

Sorry about that I have a mind forever voyaging and kind of got lost on the sea of speculation trying to piece everything together (and a few gallons of rough cider dont help).

[Herr Uhl]

There are some random dragons strewn throughout origins, like the ones in the mages tower.



In awakening, they definitely show interest in dragons though. Then they are awakened, so it might be different.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

There are some random dragons strewn throughout origins, like the ones in the mages tower.

Yes but that dragon was fighting with the darkspawn. It wasn't random.

The ones in the Mage Tower...I actually don't know how they got there. Mages experimenting on dragons?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 octobre 2010 - 10:24 .

[Addai]

MortalEngines wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I'm thinking of the statue that Tamlen comments on in the Dalish origin

This one right?

Yes that's the one.  Doesn't that kind of look like the darkspawn ornaments?  Here's another shot besides the one KoP posted at the beginning of the thread.  These aren't the best, there are such monuments all over the Deep Roads for instance.




Hoping we find out some more pieces of the puzzle in DA2 since we know the Dalish will be involved.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 octobre 2010 - 11:06 .

[MortalEngines]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As much as I like talking about Elven history, this was not the purpose of the thread. So can we please go back to the darkspawn and try to explore their psyche? (Or try to relate your thoughts on elven history back to the darkspawn, please).

Many people apparently interpret the symbol as wings. It could be wings that represent the dragons and the Imperium used it as such and it does not necessarily represent a crescent moon, that's fine. What I am interested in is a possible correlation between the Darkspawn symbol and a possible Tevinter symbol. I am reminded by the fact that the darkspawn do seem to be interested in dragons. At the Battle of Denerim, outside Fort drakon, we fight a female dragon. In Awakening, the Architect's faction also seemed pretty interested in dragons and apparently breeding them?

Now the darkspawn are far from being the only group interested in dragons. But if that crescent / wing symbol is supposed to represent dragons, as seen in the Dragon's Peak symbol, then that might be another dimension to it.

Apologies, I got a bit carried away with myself, it was late at night and I wasn't thinking straight. However, rather than the elven history, I was actually trying to figure out how the darkspawn came about. I mean, in order to understand their psyche, surely you need to understand where they came from? And we don't really know if what the Chantry says is correct.

[FutileSine]

Ooooh...interesting topic. I especially like trying to draw the "crescents" as a connection between the Tevinter and the Darkspawn. Can't figure out a way to do it right now....but 'tis interesting to think about!

However, right now I am currently drawn the a comment KoP (and ----9----) made earlier - That the "crescent" is a way of the darkspawn to show homage to the Old Gods/Archdemons. It would have come about because not all the darkspawn in all the blights would have been eradicated - some would have retreated back to the Deep Roads, Perhaps they were influenced by some of the statues that they would have come across - the wings on elvish statues, or other symbols of the Tevinter Imperium. They would have recognized the crescent as looking like the wings to their beloved Old God/ArchDemon - the One that calls to them.

Religions all tend to have sacred symbols ...We've already established the the DS aren't completely mindless. Especially the Emissaries - perhaps they recognized the value of symbols and so adopted the shape of the crescent as the regular Joe Shmoe DS would recognize it instinctively as representative of the Old God they were searching for. It would i

Cailian was perhaps on a crescent "cross" as an offering to the Old God/Archdemon.

ETA:  Pardon if this has already been stated...tried to read over everything before posting...but I prolly missed the post that said everything said here.  

Modifié par FutileSine, 20 octobre 2010 - 02:00 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

FutileSine wrote...
Cailian was perhaps on a crescent "cross" as an offering to the Old God/Archdemon.

Huh, interesting. I initially thought it was just to symbolise their victory (and for the game to be dramatic).

But it would be interesting if it was a religious offering. We know that the darkspawn apparently dragged the corpses back underground. So I guess they realised this fellow was important and thought he'd be fitting tribute.

[thegreateski]

This may sound a little redundant buuuuut . . . .



Darkspawn are creepy and this thread is only making them creepier.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's like watching a bad documentary about them, with the creepy music.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I'm thinking of the statue that Tamlen comments on in the Dalish origin

This one right?

Yes that's the one.  Doesn't that kind of look like the darkspawn ornaments?  Here's another shot besides the one KoP posted at the beginning of the thread.  These aren't the best, there are such monuments all over the Deep Roads for instance.
[snip]
Hoping we find out some more pieces of the puzzle in DA2 since we know the Dalish will be involved.

Hmmm...
Well, you've got these statues all over the place- this one is from the basement in the Mage Tower with all of the other relics:


And it sort of reminds me of the Architect's general physique,or it even seems similar (minus the wings) to this statue in the Deep Roads from this DA2 wallpaper:


Connection? 
I don't know if that statue is "darkspawn" necessarily- for some reason I'm thinking Tevinter, but that general motif showing up in Origins and then in the DA2 concept art above can't be coincidence can it? Or is it just something the art people thought looked cool and nothing more?

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 octobre 2010 - 11:51 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Oh I haven't seen that DA2 wallpaper! On a side note, there seems to be a Qunari companion, I hope.

Yea both figures do resemble the Architect. In fact I am starting to wonder if the Architect is working alone. He doesn't know how he became free of the song. Someone (those things maybe) freed him without him knowing and is using him?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 octobre 2010 - 11:51 .

[thegreateski]

It's the same figure except its wings are folded.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yea both figures do resemble the Architect. In fact I am starting to wonder if the Architect is working alone. He doesn't know how he became free of the song. Someone (those things maybe) freed him without him knowing and is using him?

Hmmmm.....speculation time!

Say, Flemeth is some being even beyond an abomination like Morrigan says in Witch Hunt. And she is somehow connected to the last Blight and the "change" to come, like Morrigan says. What if Flemeth was responsible for the Architect's "Awakening" as he fits in to her overall plan somehow? Maybe the Architect was but some sort of larval form of something greater- and thats what we're seeing in those statues? The statues seem to have wings and an extra set of arms and such- maybe those were the form of original darkspawn that the Tevinter magisters turned into? Or maybe they're something else entirely, and Flemeth seeks to bring them back?

Or not- it must be some rule that all specualtion leads to Flemeth eventually.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maybe the Tevinter magisters who went to the Golden City sought to become "something greater" and aspired to be like those things? And that experiment failed and led to darkspawn as we know them? And Flemeth is rectifying that?

Maybe they wanted to make human-dragon hybrids. They were seemingly obsessed with dragons in general.

But yea it must all come back to Flemeth.

[Shadow_broker]

Maybe bioware just likes the design and used it repeatedly

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maybe the Tevinter magisters who went to the Golden City sought to become "something greater" and aspired to be like those things? And that experiment failed and led to darkspawn as we know them? And Flemeth is rectifying that?
Maybe they wanted to make human-dragon hybrids. They were seemingly obsessed with dragons in general.
But yea it must all come back to Flemeth.

Heh- you know its probably just a recycled art asset and the writers are seeing this thread, just laughing and laughing, pointing and laughing some more.

But I like youre theory there too- whatever that statue is they all seem to have wings and some sort of elongated head- not too unlike the High Dragons. Some sort of human-dragon hybrid certainly would be a big "change" in Thedas. Hmmmm...maybe thats where Morrigan is going into the ELuvian- to the now Black City to try and uncover that knowledge? Maybe thats why Morrigan doesn't want a Warden thats in love with her to come with her, cause she's going to try and become some dragon-human hybrid thing?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
Heh- you know its probably just a recycled art asset and the writers are seeing this thread, just laughing and laughing, pointing and laughing some more.

Haha probably. OR we might be giving them ideas....

Brockololly wrote...
 Maybe thats why Morrigan doesn't want a Warden thats in love with her to come with her, cause she's going to try and become some dragon-human hybrid thing?

That would have some serious implications on love making

I don't think Dragon Age is called that for nothing. The Old Gods are dragons that can teach magic, specifically blood magic, so they have to be linked to the Fade. We've seen the Dragon Andraste giving her blood so that her disciples can drink it and learn from it (reavers).  Flemeth in her new form (especially the horns) is also reminiscient of a dragon. 

So yea, maybe that change is everyone becoming a human-dragon hybrid. I still don't see what's the opposition between Flemeth and Morrigan though if they both seem to approve of this change.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
 Maybe thats why Morrigan doesn't want a Warden thats in love with her to come with her, cause she's going to try and become some dragon-human hybrid thing?

That would have some serious implications on love making

Hahaha- and you thought accidently shapeshifting into a spider was bad:blink:

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I don't think Dragon Age is called that for nothing. The Old Gods are dragons that can teach magic, specifically blood magic, so they have to be linked to the Fade. We've seen the Dragon Andraste giving her blood so that her disciples can drink it and learn from it (reavers).  Flemeth in her new form (especially the horns) is also reminiscient of a dragon. 

So yea, maybe that change is everyone becoming a human-dragon hybrid. I still don't see what's the opposition between Flemeth and Morrigan though if they both seem to approve of this change.

Yeah, I'm with you on the whole "Dragon Age" thing- we know big things are coming that will shake Thedas to its core- they're going to knock the whole sandcastle over. Its only reasonable to think that dragons fit into this in some way, what with Flemeth and her High Dragon form and the Blight and the Old Gods being dragons of some kind, whether simply intelligent High Dragons or something else. And then you have Morrigan potentially saving the soul of an Old God, which is to  our knowledge a dragon of some kind.

As far as Morrigan and Flemeth and the change, maybe they both want to control it in some way but for different ends? I don't know- but if we go along with the whole dragon-human hybrid thing, maybe thats what Morrigan meant when she was saying in Witch Hunt that "sometimes change is what sets them free." So maybe, its like how the dwarves had the anvil of the void and had willing volunteers to become golems. Maybe, part of this change is Flemeth gathering some apostate/mage army that worships the Old Gods and are willing to become like that winged statue, some sort of human-dragon hybrid. But maybe Morrigan beat Flemeth through the Eluvian to where the knowledge to "free" onself of their human form is in Mirror World and Morrigan can get to the whole human-dragon hybrid thing before Flemeth?

[Morroian]

Brockololly wrote...

And it sort of reminds me of the Architect's general physique,or it even seems similar (minus the wings) to this statue in the Deep Roads from this DA2 wallpaper:


Connection? 
I don't know if that statue is "darkspawn" necessarily- for some reason I'm thinking Tevinter, but that general motif showing up in Origins and then in the DA2 concept art above can't be coincidence can it? Or is it just something the art people thought looked cool and nothing more?

Where did that picture come from? I can't see it on the DA2 site.

[Alyka]

I've wondered too why the Darkspawn put those cresents/wings on the statues.
I noticed the antlers/horns that are on the statues.Were they already on the statue? Or did the Darkspawn put them there? And if they're not suppose to represent horns on dragons (some might think),do they represent Ghilan'nain: Mother of the Halla?

Something else that may or may not have a connection with the cresents/wings on the statues:
Link

The ridge around the Circle Tower is cresent-shaped.

[Spartansfan8888]

I think it has something to do with wings/the old gods. Perhaps the chantry story is true and the first darkspawn were tevinter magisters. Their taint could be the maker's curse in that since they defied him and revered the old gods they are cursed to always do so and be subject to their "song."