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[Aggie Punbot]

tallinn wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...
4). I expect one day letting someone that I know to be a criminal scum go is going to come back and hurt someone completely innocent and I would feel responsible.

Why is this misconception so common? You are never responsible for what someone else is doing.

Because I find that trusting people to do what's 'right' or 'decent' on their own almost always ends in failure. It's even more relevant when you're dealing with a criminal that had shown absolutely no decency or regard for sentient/sapient life beyond their own selfish whims. There's Lawful Good and then there's Lawful Stupid. I prefer to be safe than sorry later.

[imaDEVIENT]

Mostly Paragon because I can't be a dick to the the ladies. Especially Tali and Miranda.

Although most of the convesation choices for Renegade are better/funnier.

Modifié par imaDEVIENT, 20 octobre 2010 - 12:53 .

[tallinn]

TS2Aggie wrote...

tallinn wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...
4). I expect one day letting someone that I know to be a criminal scum go is going to come back and hurt someone completely innocent and I would feel responsible.

Why is this misconception so common? You are never responsible for what someone else is doing.

Because I find that trusting people to do what's 'right' or 'decent' on their own almost always ends in failure. It's even more relevant when you're dealing with a criminal that had shown absolutely no decency or regard for sentient/sapient life beyond their own selfish whims. There's Lawful Good and then there's Lawful Stupid. I prefer to be safe than sorry later.

Which eventually means that we all should be dead better sooner then later. As we cannot be trusted to act "right" or "decent". Do you really think your distrust is justified by reality?

[piemanz]

tallinn wrote...

Which eventually means that we all should be dead better sooner then later. As we cannot be trusted to act "right" or "decent". Do you really think your distrust is justified by reality?

I think you're kind of missing the point.We're not talking about your average joe here we're talking about people that have shown no regard for life or are criminals, why would you trust them to do the right thing?....Seems pretty naieve to me.

That said i usually save the hostages because letting them die when i have the option to save them makes me no better that the hostage taker....but i sure as hell don't think that they're going to go free and suddenly become a shining example of good and righteousness.

Modifié par piemanz, 20 octobre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Shepard Lives]

Paragade. A wise man once said, "Good is not nice, polite, well-mannered, self-righteous, or naive."

[Lord_Caledore]

Renegade with a fair bit of Paragon, so I guess some would say 'Renegon'.

I have other characters ranging from pure Paragon to pure Renegade, but I definitely like my main the most. I can't stand pure Paragon as some Paragon choices are naive and "Lawful Stupid", while some Renegade choices are just acting like a jackass for no good reason. So I prefer a mix, but I definitely lean to Renegade, especially on the big choices.

Modifié par Lord_Caledore, 20 octobre 2010 - 01:29 .

[tallinn]

piemanz wrote...

tallinn wrote...

Which eventually means that we all should be dead better sooner then later. As we cannot be trusted to act "right" or "decent". Do you really think your distrust is justified by reality?

I think you're kind of missing the point.We're not talking about your average joe here we're talking about people that have shown no regard for life or are criminals, why would you trust them to do the right thing?....Seems pretty naieve to me.

If someone make the statement, trusting people leads to disappointment in general, then that is not restricted to criminals. But it is not true for the "average joe", it is not even true for criminals. In Germany we introduced re-socializing prison regime in the early seventies with great success. Post-jail crime rate was lowered significantly.

[Kronner]

I like to think I make decisions I'd make if I were in that situation. I end up with full Paragon and about 40% Renegade (including ME1 import bonus). Some Renegade choices are just stupid imho and some Paragon are way too naive. So I like to mix them.

Modifié par Kronner, 20 octobre 2010 - 06:28 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Male Shep is Renegade in pragmitism and in outlook, but the game insists that many of my self-serving, hard-power, completely pragmatic choices are Paragon.



Saving the colonists? That's easier. Free the Rachni? Win-win-win for Humanity, since even if things go bad either the Turians have to pay the costs in fighting, or Humanity gets a undeniable right to an arms buildup. And if they aren't evil, they owe me.





FemShep is a Human-nationalist Paragon.

[frylock23]

I generally wind up mostly Paragon with a healthy dose of Renegade in my first/canon playthroughs. I dislike a lot of the Renegade dialogue (not all but a lot) because it makes Shep into a grade A jerk rather than a slightly harsher Han Solo sort or a deeply dark menacing type. I tend to take some renegade options regardless because they just make more sense, particularly the Renegade interrupts before combat.



And going full Paragon makes me feel like Superman's stupid little sister. Sometimes there is such a thing as too nice, and I think a soldier in Shep's line of work should understand that by now.

[mosor]

Renegade, unless the paragon option benefits humanity more. Suck it, Xenophiles.

Modifié par mosor, 20 octobre 2010 - 07:37 .

[TheBlackBaron]

frylock23 wrote...
I generally wind up mostly Paragon with a healthy dose of Renegade in my first/canon playthroughs. I dislike a lot of the Renegade dialogue (not all but a lot) because it makes Shep into a grade A jerk rather than a slightly harsher Han Solo sort or a deeply dark menacing type. I tend to take some renegade options regardless because they just make more sense, particularly the Renegade interrupts before combat.

Mixing a bit of Paragon into the Renegade choices really goes a long way towards RenShep towards that Han Solo/Jack Bauer archetype - granted, it kind of relies on playing through the game previously and knowing the actual wording of the dialogue options.

As I said earlier, I'm mostly Renegade (100% R/30% P, which I don't consider to be enough to qualify for "Renegon" status), but I do take those Paragon dialogues at times, mostly when dealing with the crew and other people. Even then I'm not above a bit of Renegade snark.

[Sesshomaru47]

Paragon in both games despite having picked "ruthless" which has a renegade bonus. I just can't be mean or homicidal . However some of the paragon options in ME2 are...err lame I think is the most polite way of saying and often make me wish I could be a meanie.

[Ieldra]

I tend to end up mixed, somewhere between and Paragade (90-95/70-75) and neutral (80-85/80-85). Usually, I get my Renegade points in conversations and interrupts, less often for the big decisions. My "canon" choices:
-save the Rachni queen
-leave Feros intact but with some casualties among the colonists
-leave Wrex alive
-50/50 leave the Council to die or save the Council, but the latter only for metagaming. The military decision would leave them to die, but the results of the Renegade decision in ME2 feel too much like a punishment. Also, I love to hate the turian councillor.
-50/50 destroy/rewrite the Heretic faction.
-keep the Collector base.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 octobre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Tony Gunslinger]

The line to separate "us" and "criminals" are much thinner than people want to believe. It's easier to sleep at night to think we do not contribute negatively to society, but the fact is, your very existence affects me, good or bad are just labels. Suppose you have a bad day, you feel kind of sick, you're grumpy, you stop by the local market and you're at the checkout line. The lady in front of you is taking forever to take out her purse. You lost your temper and scolded her. She becomes distraught, she recently lost her job and is struggling to support her two sons, she used what was left of her last paycheck. She walks out of the market overwhelmed with her seemingly insurmountable problems, not noticing the truck whose driver is trying to deliver the packages. It was an accident, but the driver lost his job and his license, and reverted back to his drinking habits. Walking through the front door with the smell of alcohol all over his shirt and chin, his girlfriend became enraged. "You promised!" she screamed and scratched him with her overpolished nails. He has seen her like this way too many times, at first he thought it was part of her being a typical Russian immigrant, the melodrama excited him, which was why he went after her. But now, it's not sexy anymore, even in his drunken state he realizes his own vanity and his mistake in choosing her. A rush of emotions converge into a single point. Mistakes. That is what defines me. I am the very definition of mistake. She does not even know me, she does not even care about me. His fist clenches, he wanted to bolt out of there forever. He wants to be a new person. Before he could make that decision, her just-polished nails cut into his left eyelid, a trigger for his fist that lands right on her chin. She falls back, breaking the glass coffee table, a piece of it sliced through her neck. She though he was a handsome man, a big, laughing, American man who she can show to her father back in Russia, make him proud. Her last vision was the dissapointment she saw on her father's face.

But you, you just had bad fish last night, and you don't even know it.

[Markinator_123]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I tend to end up mixed, somewhere between and Paragade (90-95/70-75) and neutral (80-85/80-85). Usually, I get my Renegade points in conversations and interrupts, less often for the big decisions. My "canon" choices:
-save the Rachni queen
-leave Feros intact but with some casualties among the colonists
-leave Wrex alive
-50/50 leave the Council to die or save the Council, but the latter only for metagaming. The military decision would leave them to die, but the results of the Renegade decision in ME2 feel too much like a punishment. Also, I love to hate the turian councillor.
-50/50 destroy/rewrite the Heretic faction.
-keep the Collector base.

Leaving the council to die is not all that bad. Humanity's position in the galaxy is stronger than ever. Besides, when you save the council, you hear reports of the council still not lifting a finger to help humanity and mocking them by claiming a race on the council can handle its own problems (after humanity just saved their behinds). It felt good to get rid of them and to let that turian councilor rot in hell. Goodbye and good riddance I say. Keep in mind that I support pro-human dominance.

[lovgreno]

I choose smart. realistic and tough guy paragon and all who are renegade are naive fools! Just kidding if course, I have both renegade and paragon Shepards, though I admit that some renegade options are just too funny to not take.

Modifié par lovgreno, 20 octobre 2010 - 10:31 .

[Ryzaki]

I play a mix. Most of the time I'm mostly Paragon so I guess that makes me a Paragade.

[Exile Isan]

Paragon, because this player is a soft touch and can't play the "evil" side. Never played a dark side character in KotOR or done certain actions in Dragon Age; all my characters in NWN and BG games are either Lawful, Neutral or Chaotic Good.

Although, there are a few renegade interrupts in ME2 that I do use. Batarian recruiter comes to mind. Sexist jerk, Shep'll show him.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 21 octobre 2010 - 12:51 .

[gamestress]

I played my first PT with logical, realistic choices and turned out mostly paragon. So I guess ima pollyanna. But subsequently made more deliberate choices to lean totally overboard each way. I'm definitely a completist, have to experience all options.

[skcih-deraj]

paragade, because I like to play the field.

Modifié par skcih-deraj, 21 octobre 2010 - 01:31 .

[PauseforEffect]

Played both sides, still prefer paragon dialogue. Renegade too often sounds immature although I do agree it has its funny moments.

As for renegade actions....sometimes you really can't listen to that krogan's spiel.

[MrFob]

I got one pure renegade guy and I hate him because sometimes he is just a jerk for NO reason at all (especially in ME1).



Then I have got one pure paragon who I think is ok but doesn't have much personality beyond being nice to everybody.



My two main Shepards are both paragades.

One is almost always paragon except for some situations where it actually makes sense be a bit more forceful.

My favorite one is pretty much in the middle. Paragon in most of the major decisions but she hates it if people control her or jerk her around. In these cases (and there are quite a few in the games), she really gets pissed off and that often ends bad for the other party. I think she is the most coherent and believable character I have played so far (certainly in Mass Effect and maybe in any game).

Got to say though that I only could play her the way I wanted because I already knew the outcome of most dialogue option through previous playthroughs. That helps to avoid some situations where you paragon/renegade options don't turn out the way you expect from the lines on the wheel.

[NYG1991]

Personally, the renegade ending in ME1 where you save the council is my favorite one. They're grateful for you saving them but they're also scared so it makes for a pretty cool scene all around.