I've been following the developments of Mass Effect 2 play since the game released, and it seems like the players who are on the forefront of innovation don't make use of the Collector Assault Rifle at all, discarding it for either the Vindicator or the Mattock. I am extremely inexperienced with assault rifles and don't own the Firepower Pack, but having started a Soldier today, I can safely say that I vastly prefer the Collector Assault Rifle over the Vindicator. Is there something I'm missing?
Collector Assault Rifle: Why is it disregarded?
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Miss Yuna of Atlanta
, oct. 20 2010 04:52
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 05:01
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The collector AR is just not good at anything but shield breaking for squadmates. It gets outperformed by every other AR for every other purpose.
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 06:01
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I don't have the Collector Rifle to even see it in action. I'm told I'm not missing much so I don't mind.
I imagine it's just outclassed by other weapons now, the Mattock obviously. Much like what happened to the Geth Pulse Rifle which was really useful (in my opinion) when the game came out and you were an Adept (great shield stripping). But since the Kasumi download I prefer my Adepts using the Locust to strip shields and the AR (or sniper) can be something that hits harder.
Some of these guns just get outstripped by newer weapons and you just never touch them again.
I imagine it's just outclassed by other weapons now, the Mattock obviously. Much like what happened to the Geth Pulse Rifle which was really useful (in my opinion) when the game came out and you were an Adept (great shield stripping). But since the Kasumi download I prefer my Adepts using the Locust to strip shields and the AR (or sniper) can be something that hits harder.
Some of these guns just get outstripped by newer weapons and you just never touch them again.
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 06:19
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That's fair enough. I prefer the Collector Assault Rifle over the Avenger or the Vindicator, but I haven't gotten the Revenant yet, so we'll see.
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 12:08
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Not enough dps. That's the problem with all the AR's that aren't the Vindicator, Mattock, or Revenant.
Too bad, because they're fun to use.
Too bad, because they're fun to use.
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 01:55
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Until the Mattock, the CAR outperformed every other available AR outside of Adr.R.. Its accuracy and low recoil made it a perfect rain death weapon for any class that for example acquired the AR-Training and didn't have access to Adr.R.!
Now the Mattock took that place, though the CAR still holds its ground due to having more spare clips.
For a soldier, save for the Avenger, every other AR performs better with the corresponding playstyle and more importantly in Adr.R.. And to be honest, it looks ugly. But the sound is goodish, only the Revenant and Mattock can compete in that regard.
Long story short, it is a decent midrange barrage AR for any class without Adr.R. and is something like the automatic Mattock, just with less damage but compensated with more ammo.
Now the Mattock took that place, though the CAR still holds its ground due to having more spare clips.
For a soldier, save for the Avenger, every other AR performs better with the corresponding playstyle and more importantly in Adr.R.. And to be honest, it looks ugly. But the sound is goodish, only the Revenant and Mattock can compete in that regard.
Long story short, it is a decent midrange barrage AR for any class without Adr.R. and is something like the automatic Mattock, just with less damage but compensated with more ammo.
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 02:33
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Miss Yuna of Atlanta wrote...
That's fair enough. I prefer the Collector Assault Rifle over the Avenger or the Vindicator, but I haven't gotten the Revenant yet, so we'll see.
A very overrated gun, imho. Once you're actually close enough with it to get the most out of it, you may as well use a shotty.
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Posté 20 octobre 2010 - 02:41
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I'm a shotgun nut, but you can't mow down multiple enemies in one beautiful trigger squeeze with any shotgun in the game. The rev provides a unique form of entertainment for me.
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Posté 21 octobre 2010 - 06:36
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comparing to collector's AR, geth pulse rifle is a lot better, and has more ammo. collector AR 280, geth AR 480.
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Posté 21 octobre 2010 - 06:36
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I'll give the Geth Pulse Rifle a shot when I unlock it. Thanks.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 01:08
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I love the CAR for my Sentinel, it's awesome. I will probably switch over to the GPR when I get it on that character. My favorite AR though is definitely the Revenant, I love the LMG feel of it, and it just works well with Hardened Adreneline Rush.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 04:53
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I have completed a few Soldier playthroughs using the CAR for Shep and squadmates. Apart from the magazine size, I found it to be good enough for my suppressive fire needs. If I need to take an accurate long range shot, I just pull out the Widow.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 09:57
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Collector Assault Rifle has no recoil and that is only one good thing I find in it. That's why it destroys enemies much slower that other AR's. With CAR's slow firing rate it's slightly worse than Avenger. You can always fire in short bursts 3-6 per serie, remember to do it quickly.
Avenger / Geth Pulse Rifle / Revnant / Mattock are perfect choice for a player.
Avenger / Geth Pulse Rifle / Revnant / Mattock are perfect choice for a player.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 10:14
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How is Avenger perfect choice? That gun is totally useless junk.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 11:16
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Kronner wrote...
How is Avenger perfect choice? That gun is totally useless junk.
This. The only advantage the Avenger has is its greater clip capacity, other than that and it's only slightly higher DPS, which doesn't really is an advantage due to the need to fire in burst than full automatic in medium ranges as opposed to the CAR, which can go all out, effectively meaning the CAR has a higher DPS over midrange (and for short range there is always the Tempest or a Shotgun at hands which will do a far better job in short-distance fights than the Avenger) which constitutes the CAR as the better weapon of those two.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 12:03
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Avenger is good in the very beginning of the game, unless you have a mattockKronner wrote...
How is Avenger perfect choice? That gun is totally useless junk.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 12:19
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Avenger is only AR available starting a new game (without weapon dlc) it has its uses but it's lousy weapon. You can recruit Garrus first to get the Vindicator (much better than Avenger), even the Locust out performs Avenger (though Soldiers can't use SMGs)
Avenger is one of the few ME2 weapons most people will never use again when other weapons become available. It simply doesn't have any real strengths like the other ARs. I don't own the Collectors Edition (delayed for a couple of days with release - couldn't wait so I bought to normal edition) so can't say much about that AR, but I loved the Vindicator (pre Mattock) and the Geth Pulse Rifle is nice too (great on shield heavy missions). Avenger is a failed SMG+ attempt; it's better than the Shuriken, but that's the best I can make of it.
Avenger is one of the few ME2 weapons most people will never use again when other weapons become available. It simply doesn't have any real strengths like the other ARs. I don't own the Collectors Edition (delayed for a couple of days with release - couldn't wait so I bought to normal edition) so can't say much about that AR, but I loved the Vindicator (pre Mattock) and the Geth Pulse Rifle is nice too (great on shield heavy missions). Avenger is a failed SMG+ attempt; it's better than the Shuriken, but that's the best I can make of it.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 01:15
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Kronner wrote...
How is Avenger perfect choice? That gun is totally useless junk.
Unfortunately, it's the only real assault rifle in the game - stuff like the Mattock and the Revenant can overpower it in virtually every situation (thanks largely to it's pathetic damage per shot - what was that about Ash claimed her rifle may as well shoot spitballs?), but if you just want the style and flexibility of an assault rifle, it's the only one. The Collector rifle feels more like a carbine and the GPR is some weird large SMG with a dodgy rate of fire.
I wish Bioware would release an AR that is to the Avenger what the Widow is to the Mantis. I.e. a straight upgrade.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 05:27
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cerberus1701 wrote...
A very overrated gun, imho. Once you're actually close enough with it to get the most out of it, you may as well use a shotty.
Except it has a huge clip capacity and ammo advantage over the shotgun. If anything, the Revenant is underrated.
By the way, if you can't get good use out of it over more than typical shotgun range, you're doing something wrong. GPS range maybe.
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 06:00
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Totally agree. I like the avenger, but there's no real direct upgrade for it aside from the revenant. Spectre AR maybe *hint hint*?JaegerBane wrote...
Kronner wrote...
How is Avenger perfect choice? That gun is totally useless junk.
Unfortunately, it's the only real assault rifle in the game - stuff like the Mattock and the Revenant can overpower it in virtually every situation (thanks largely to it's pathetic damage per shot - what was that about Ash claimed her rifle may as well shoot spitballs?), but if you just want the style and flexibility of an assault rifle, it's the only one. The Collector rifle feels more like a carbine and the GPR is some weird large SMG with a dodgy rate of fire.
I wish Bioware would release an AR that is to the Avenger what the Widow is to the Mantis. I.e. a straight upgrade.
Modifié par Curunen, 22 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .
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Posté 22 octobre 2010 - 10:25
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I just wish that the Collector AR would be released as DLC due to people having EA/Bioware account issues, the Inferno armor being released and the fact that some people were able to get the Collector AR early without buying the actual CE.
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Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 05:12
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I just finished the Collector ship mission on my Soldier and I have to say that I'm hopping on the "I love the Revenant" bandwagon. It's just too much fun.
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Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:33
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Curunen wrote...
Totally agree. I like the avenger, but there's no real direct upgrade for it aside from the revenant. Spectre AR maybe *hint hint*?
To be honest I wish they'd just release a Spectre Weapon DLC and bring back all the old Spectre textures - I preferred the sinister look of all the Spectre stuff from ME1 rather than multi-colour rainbow affect you get now...
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Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 09:07
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QFT. I'm playing ME1 now and I miss my spectre weapons, my Heavy X Collosus Armor would be nice tooJaegerBane wrote...
To be honest I wish they'd just release a Spectre Weapon DLC and bring back all the old Spectre textures - I preferred the sinister look of all the Spectre stuff from ME1 rather than multi-colour rainbow affect you get now...
.But as far as ME2 AR's go, I prefer the Mattock or the Revenant depending on the mission.
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Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 06:43
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I have wanted a real assault rifle since the beginning, the CAR and Avenger have the same DPS but the CAR is more accurate on the move, no recoil or crosshair size change, and a lower rate of fire with more damage per shot. They need to make an assault rifle with a slightly lower clip size than the avenger with a slightly lower rate of fire and much higher damage, between the CAR and the Vindicator in damage per hit and DPS.
Modifié par Firesteel7, 23 octobre 2010 - 06:43 .
