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[TcheQ]

This bugs me (releasing control)


So, I played ME1, had a great time with the azure(cough) alien.

I met her on Illium, and she greets me with kiss??

Hello? I've been dead 2 years.

Then in Lair of the Shadow Broker these things happen:

Liara informs me it was she who organized the search for my body, and she knew of my reconstruction, in vain hope.
After defeating Vesir, she informs me "i've been gone a long time, 2 years is a long time to mourn"
Then when I finally get the wuvly wady alone, she is so damn reluctant, basically giving me every chance to flee.

Is there something in asari relationships I don't understand? 

Was she just playing hard to get?

[StarcloudSWG]

She's insecure. She's afraid Shepard doesn't want to continue the relationship.

Emotionally speaking, she's still a young woman, I'd say late teens, early twenties at best. And Shepard's her first serious relationship. I found it very believable that she's feeling conflicted. She wants it to continue, but she's not sure Shepard does.

[AntiChri5]

Shepard was her first, she gets nervous.

[Therion942]

Women are complicated.

[Hyper_gateway]

Her reactions seems normal if you are considering all the happenings in the past 2 years. There's a time she is unsure to "catch up" her relationship with Shepard, that's why she may somehow want to see how badly does Shepard wanted her back.



Besides, her personality have changed alot comparing to ME, and woman always like to tease her boy friend alittle from time to time. lol

[OrbitalWings]

Actually with the right dialogue Liara will explain all about getting your body back and all that stuff in the main game.

She only explains it in LotSB if you didn't get her to reveal it in ME2 itself.

[Anglerfish]

Contrary to the oft posted image of Liara avec aviators, she is not good at dealing with it.

[Slayer299]

Anglerfish wrote...

Contrary to the oft posted image of Liara avec aviators, she is not good at dealing with it.

???

[TcheQ]

THanks for your replies : P  I don't know if I understand this more or less now ><

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Actually with the right dialogue Liara will explain all about getting your body back and all that stuff in the main game.

She only explains it in LotSB if you didn't get her to reveal it in ME2 itself.

I spoke to Liara about it, I took a paragon quicktime to talk to her about it.  I guess where my feelings are conflicted are when I am greeted by  a kiss after being dead for two years.  A hug would have sufficed.  In my other play through (abstinent) I get a hug.  That feels appropriate. That fits.  What didn't feel right to me was the kiss.  I think if the kiss had been on the forehead, or the cheek, a slow gaze of Liara's eyes upon what she thought she may never see again, that would have been appropriate.  I think my main idea on this was that the kiss in me2 vs the shadow broker dialogue +actions conflict eachother.  Can I wave it off as asari relationship culture/custom?  I suppose it might fall into the same category as certain nationalities of european men kissing eachother on the cheek in greeting... maybe asari kiss all their previous sexual partners on the lips.

[jlb524]

Shepard was dead for two years...then came back.



Yeah, that's a totally normal situation that happens all the time in relationships. How dare she act hesitant to resume the relationship! She should have jumped in Shepard's arms just like nothing happened!

[Ulathar]

Exactly, j. Shepard was gone for 2 years and then came back. What's the big deal, right?

[JediSoth]

When someone you love dies*, it changes something in you, particularly if you've been intimate with that person. You *know* you'll never see that person again, and while you still love them, after a while, you expect not to see them again. I know if I saw my late wife again, it would be a surreal experience, and I wouldn't fall back into her arms like a lovesick puppy; it would take a long time to process (plus, since I've remarried, it would create a very awkward situation). Liara's not exactly a widow, but I imagine the mental processes are similar. That particular grieving process isn't something you can just turn off like a light switch; it's completely different than any other relationship-ending event you can experience.





*I speak from experience

[Lord_Caledore]

jlb524 wrote...

Shepard was dead for two years...then came back.

Yeah, that's a totally normal situation that happens all the time in relationships. How dare she act hesitant to resume the relationship! She should have jumped in Shepard's arms just like nothing happened!

I always think this when people get really upset about Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan react in ME2. They thought you were dead, moved on with their lives...and then find out you're alive, and working for Cerberus to boot? Not exactly a normal relationship hurdle...

[Aedan_Cousland]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

She's insecure. She's afraid Shepard doesn't want to continue the relationship.
Emotionally speaking, she's still a young woman, I'd say late teens, early twenties at best. And Shepard's her first serious relationship. I found it very believable that she's feeling conflicted. She wants it to continue, but she's not sure Shepard does.

This.

She also knows that the fight against the Reapers isn't over, and that Shepard may fall in battle again, perhaps permanently so. As much as she loves Shepard she's afraid to put herself through that again. The smart move is to distance herself from Shepard emotionally, but her heart won't let her. She's afraid of getting too close only to lose him again.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:26 .

[Count Viceroy]

JediSoth wrote...

When someone you love dies*, it changes something in you, particularly if you've been intimate with that person. You *know* you'll never see that person again, and while you still love them, after a while, you expect not to see them again. I know if I saw my late wife again, it would be a surreal experience, and I wouldn't fall back into her arms like a lovesick puppy; it would take a long time to process (plus, since I've remarried, it would create a very awkward situation). Liara's not exactly a widow, but I imagine the mental processes are similar. That particular grieving process isn't something you can just turn off like a light switch; it's completely different than any other relationship-ending event you can experience.


*I speak from experience

Well said, but it still has to be mentioned that Liara knew about Shepards resurrection before shepard came to Illium. So it's not a complete WTF moment. She gave shepard to cerberus, and would have paid attention to the project, while shepard might not have been in the best shape at times, the chance of seeing shep again was still always present, so he really didn't "die" per say.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 octobre 2010 - 05:07 .

[JediSoth]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Well said, but it still has to be mentioned that Liara knew about Shepards resurrection before shepard came to Illium. So it's not a complete WTF moment. She gave shepard to cerberus, and would have paid attention to the project, while shepard might not have been in the best shape at times, the chance of seeing shep again was still always present, so he really didn't "die" per say.

I got the impression that when you walked into her office, it was the first time she actually knew for sure that the Lazarus Project worked and, thus, the first time she had proof all her efforts actually amounted to something.

[jwalker]

Liara fell in love with Shepard

Shepard died.

Liara risks her life, her friend's life to recover Shepard's body. She barely makes it. She doesnt know what happend to her friend.

Liara deliver Shepard's body to a terrorist organization to perform extensive experimental medical procedures just for the chance of seeing her/him again.

For two years she doesn't know anything, nothing for sure at least...



And then "Liara ! Long time no see. Wassup ?"



Sure, "hard to get"

[jlb524]

JediSoth wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Well said, but it still has to be mentioned that Liara knew about Shepards resurrection before shepard came to Illium. So it's not a complete WTF moment. She gave shepard to cerberus, and would have paid attention to the project, while shepard might not have been in the best shape at times, the chance of seeing shep again was still always present, so he really didn't "die" per say.

I got the impression that when you walked into her office, it was the first time she actually knew for sure that the Lazarus Project worked and, thus, the first time she had proof all her efforts actually amounted to something.

That was my impression as well.  Miranda told Liara that the chances of the Lazarus Project succeding were slim to none....closer to none.

[ADLegend21]

jlb524 wrote...

Shepard was dead for two years...then came back.

Yeah, that's a totally normal situation that happens all the time in relationships. How dare she act hesitant to resume the relationship! She should have jumped in Shepard's arms just like nothing happened!

what's comfusing is that when she greets a romanced Shepard she kisses them like they just got home from work but form then on is hesitant about their relationship which honestly IS confusing, kissing Shep one minute but then keeping them at arms length.

[jlb524]

ADLegend21 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Shepard was dead for two years...then came back.

Yeah, that's a totally normal situation that happens all the time in relationships. How dare she act hesitant to resume the relationship! She should have jumped in Shepard's arms just like nothing happened!

what's comfusing is that when she greets a romanced Shepard she kisses them like they just got home from work but form then on is hesitant about their relationship which honestly IS confusing, kissing Shep one minute but then keeping them at arms length.

I just think initially she was so overcome with emotions, both good and bad, upon seeing Shepard again.  Liara didn't know what to do.  She was confused, but I think initially let her feelings for Shepard take over her higher brain functions, so she kissed her.  But then...came to her senses and pulled away.

[Count Viceroy]

jlb524 wrote...

That was my impression as well.  Miranda told Liara that the chances of the Lazarus Project succeding were slim to none....closer to none.

The lack of emotion from her when you show up in her office would suggest otherwise imo. It might fit for seeing shepard for the first time, as you described just now, but not for a OMG you're alive sort of thing. She's an information broker, she was bound to know. She also knew shep was hunting collectors so...

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 octobre 2010 - 06:10 .

[ADLegend21]

jlb524 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Shepard was dead for two years...then came back.

Yeah, that's a totally normal situation that happens all the time in relationships. How dare she act hesitant to resume the relationship! She should have jumped in Shepard's arms just like nothing happened!

what's comfusing is that when she greets a romanced Shepard she kisses them like they just got home from work but form then on is hesitant about their relationship which honestly IS confusing, kissing Shep one minute but then keeping them at arms length.

I just think initially she was so overcome with emotions, both good and bad, upon seeing Shepard again.  Liara didn't know what to do.  She was confused, but I think initially let her feelings for Shepard take over her higher brain functions, so she kissed her.  But then...came to her senses and pulled away.

Good point, but like shepard said "I got better" and Shepard is still the same person they were 2 years ago, since you can't age when you're dead. but, even though I know you might not wanna hear it, Liara changed lot in the two years between ME1 and ME2 and that probably what factored into the hesitation and because she was still focusing only on finding the shadow Broker. no time for love.

[jlb524]

Count Viceroy wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

That was my impression as well.  Miranda told Liara that the chances of the Lazarus Project succeding were slim to none....closer to none.

The lack of emotion from her when you show up in her office would suggest otherwise imo. It might fit for seeing shepard for the first time, as you described just now, but not for a OMG you're alive sort of thing. She's an information broker, she was bound to know. She also knew shep was hunting collectors so...

Yes, of course she knew that before Shepard walked in the door (though, it would still be shocking for her to actually see Shepard again in person for the first time).   However, that still only gave her a few weeks/months to mentally/emotionally prepare for that, which is not a lot of time.  Also, there would be an underlying fear that Shepard is changed, and is not the same person as before.

It's not like Liara knew from day one of Project Lazarus that Shepard would be OK and would return as the same person. 

[jlb524]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Good point, but like shepard said "I got better" and Shepard is still the same person they were 2 years ago, since you can't age when you're dead. but, even though I know you might not wanna hear it, Liara changed lot in the two years between ME1 and ME2 and that probably what factored into the hesitation and because she was still focusing only on finding the shadow Broker. no time for love.

Liara doesn't know Shepard is the same...what if Miranda had implanted that control chip?  Or, they just remade her into a different person?  Of course, the control chip didn't happen and Shepard was remade into Shepard 100% (it seems, minus her old ME1 scars) but Liara doesn't know that.

Liara herself has changed, of course.  I don't think it's possible for a person to resist changing somewhat after going through what Liara went through.  I don't necessarily think Liara's change is behind the reason why she was acting distant towards Shepard, though...I think that is caused by the general situation.

And, you are correct that Liara didn't have time for love (and neither did Shepard, really) and they still don't, IMO.  That is why the couple is still apart even though they did reaffirm their love post-LotSB.   Their respective duties to the galaxy are more important.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 octobre 2010 - 06:22 .