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[sylvanaerie]

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Modifié par sylvanaerie, 02 novembre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Face of Evil]

sillymonkboy wrote...

[ponder]Are Weres subject to the taint?  Does the blood magic super-curse that transforms them render them immune to the taint?  If not, is it possible to be come a were-darkspawn, a were-ghoul, or would the taint just kill them outright?[/ponder]

No, there are Blighted werewolves who have been infected with the taint. But darkspawn are immune to the curse, as far as I can tell.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 06 novembre 2010 - 06:00 .

[andysdead]

GithCheater wrote...

I, the player, want to side with the werewolves, as I have never sided with the werewolves on my playthroughs, but I want to play a believable character whose choices are consistent with his personality. 

My current mage character has typically tried to be a supporter & liberator of the oppressed (casteless dwarves, circle mages, city elves and dalish elves). My mage realizes that the genocide of the dalish clan would be horrific, but I consider the werewolves to be more oppressed, because the werewolves have been suffering for hundreds of years, while the Dalish clan only were recently cursed after the werewolf ambush.

My problem is that I do not want to be "forced" to pick the "best of both worlds" option, where the "Z" keeper surrenders after taking a beating at my hand,  thus resulting in the "curing" of both the werewolves (becoming human) as well as the Dalish.

Is there a way to avoid the "Z" keeper presenting the "best of both worlds" option so that I can kill him without the "guilt" of "unnecessarily" wiping out the Dalish clan?

Does anyone have any ideas on how my mage can rationalize siding only with the werewolves?

You kind of have to play the vindictive, vengeful type to justify siding with the werewolves.

[Esbatty]

My Mage Warden got pretty pissed at being sent on a wild goose chase when Zathrian knew EXACTLY what needed to be done to solve problem. So instead he opted to just lash out, Zevran wasn't very happy but what was he gonna do? Kill him? Ha! That was basically it. Murdered the Dalish because Zathrian messed with the wrong silver tongued Mage.

[Zjarcal]

I'm playing a CE right now that will side with the werewolves. Her reasoning? Well, first I should say that this CE is a complete loose cannon with a lot of issues. The traumatic experience of the Origin left her even more scarred. She's full of rage and doesn't hesitate to let it out. She hates humans (well, the men at least, the women she's rather indifferent too) and the things she has heard of the Dalish make her admire them for refusing to subjugate.

So, when they first arrive at the Dalish camp and Mithra gives her a hostile reception, she is appalled.

"I am an elf and this is how you greet me?"

After a heated exchange of threats she's finally taken to Zathrian who doesn't treat her any better at first (and she isn't too polite to him either). It's only until he hears she's a grey warden that he backs down from his hostility. This terribly upsets my CE. So Grey Wardens are welcome, but City Elves (or flat ears, as Mithra so rudely described them), are treated like outsiders?

Then, she talks to Sarel, who also turns out to carry a p*ssy attitude. At this point she's on the verge of loosing it. These are the Dalish? These are the people who she once wanted to join?

So, she embarks on the quest that needs to be done, despite being absolutely pissed at the Dalish. She makes her way to the werewolves lair and is told the true story. She finds it amusing that human rapists were cursed and feels it was a suitable punishment. She likes to watch them suffer as they remind her of Vaughn and his men. She could kill them outright, but that would do them a favor if anything. Keeping them cursed means more suffering to them.

And then there's the fact that Zathrian manipulated her. She was already pissed at him and learning of his lies makes her loose it. To hell with the Dalish! She gets to recruit an army of werewolves to help against the blight, kill those p*ssy Dalish who called her a "flat ear" and compared her to a human, and she gets to keep those rapists bastards cursed for life? A total win situation for her.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 08 novembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[DWSmiley]

Zjarcal wrote...

I'm playing a CE right now that will side with the werewolves. Her reasoning? Well, first I should say that this CE is a complete loose cannon with a lot of issues. The traumatic experience of the Origin left her even more scarred. She's full of rage and doesn't hesitate to let it out. She hates humans (well, the men at least, the women she's rather indifferent too) and the things she has heard of the Dalish make her admire them for refusing to subjugate.

So, when they first arrive at the Dalish camp and Mithra gives her a hostile reception, she is appalled.

"I am an elf and this is how you greet me?"

After a heated exchange of threats she's finally taken to Zathrian who doesn't treat her any better at first (and she isn't too polite to him either). It's only until he hears she's a grey warden that he backs down from his hostility. This terribly upsets my CE. So Grey Wardens are welcome, but City Elves (or flat ears, as Mithra so rudely described them), are treated like outsiders?

Then, she talks to Sarel, who also turns out to carry a p*ssy attitude. At this point she's on the verge of loosing it. These are the Dalish? These are the people who she once wanted to join?

So, she embarks on the quest that needs to be done, despite being absolutely pissed at the Dalish. She makes her way to the werewolves lair and is told the true story. She finds it amusing that human rapists were cursed and feels it was a suitable punishment. She likes to watch them suffer as they remind her of Vaughn and his men. She could kill them outright, but that would do them a favor if anything. Keeping them cursed means more suffering to them.

And then there's the fact that Zathrian manipulated her. She was already pissed at him and learning of his lies makes her loose it. To hell with the Dalish! She gets to recruit an army of werewolves to help against the blight, kill those p*ssy Dalish who called her a "flat ear" and compared her to a human, and she gets to keep those rapists bastards cursed for life? A total win situation for her.

Interesting character.  What is she going to do about the situation in Redcliffe?

[Zjarcal]

DWSmiley wrote...
Interesting character.  What is she going to do about the situation in Redcliffe?

About the village, while she doesn't really want to help (humans wouldn't help an Alienage in trouble, why should she help a human village?), she'll assume there might be a reward at the end of it, so she'll do it (plus she's a crazed warrior who doesn't want to miss the chance of "glorious battle!").

One thing she's definitely going to do is kill Lloyd in the tavern. When Bella relates the story of how he gropes her and all, it'll remind her of Vaughn, so she'll enjoy gutting him. She may also end up helping Kaitlyn (as I said in the other post, she hates human men, but the women she can tolerate).

As for the Connor/Isolde debacle, I'm torn. The mages option is out of the equation, and there's a chance that she'll be pissed at Connor's comment about elves (feeding their ears to the dogs). I know that's the demon talking, but my CE is a bit crazed herself so she won't care. Plus this is a noble child we're talking about so in her eyes he may grow up to be another Vaughn, so she'll kill him.

If it wasn't already clear, my CE was REALLY scarred by the Vaughn incident.

[Giggles_Manically]

I have done it once to keep.



My Evil Mage Everd, who did it because the Dalish annoyed him, and the Werewolves impressed him with not backing down. Poor Zathrian got Walking Bombed.

Felt bad for killing all the other Dalish, but Everd did not.



He also slept with Gheyna, and stole from all the people.

[DWSmiley]

Zjarcal wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...
Interesting character.  What is she going to do about the situation in Redcliffe?

About the village, while she doesn't really want to help (humans wouldn't help an Alienage in trouble, why should she help a human village?), she'll assume there might be a reward at the end of it, so she'll do it (plus she's a crazed warrior who doesn't want to miss the chance of "glorious battle!").

One thing she's definitely going to do is kill Lloyd in the tavern. When Bella relates the story of how he gropes her and all, it'll remind her of Vaughn, so she'll enjoy gutting him. She may also end up helping Kaitlyn (as I said in the other post, she hates human men, but the women she can tolerate).

As for the Connor/Isolde debacle, I'm torn. The mages option is out of the equation, and there's a chance that she'll be pissed at Connor's comment about elves (feeding their ears to the dogs). I know that's the demon talking, but my CE is a bit crazed herself so she won't care. Plus this is a noble child we're talking about so in her eyes he may grow up to be another Vaughn, so she'll kill him.

If it wasn't already clear, my CE was REALLY scarred by the Vaughn incident.

Ah, okay.  I had thought it likely you would leave the villagers to their fate.  Sten and Morrigan are perfect to take along for that!  Another interesting situation is with Owen.  Sten disapproves of promising to save the daughter since he sees it as a promise you probably can't keep.  I've wondered about refusing to make the promise to Owen.  Maybe he then refuses to fix the militia's armor, in which case I expect they die really easily.

[Zjarcal]

DWSmiley wrote...
Ah, okay.  I had thought it likely you would leave the villagers to their fate.  Sten and Morrigan are perfect to take along for that!  Another interesting situation is with Owen.  Sten disapproves of promising to save the daughter since he sees it as a promise you probably can't keep.  I've wondered about refusing to make the promise to Owen.  Maybe he then refuses to fix the militia's armor, in which case I expect they die really easily.

To be honest, leaving the village to their fate would be the most in character choice. But I REALLY want to have the chance to kill Lloyd in the tavern (because she is SOOO going to enjoy that), so I'm justifying the decision to defend the village by having her think that she'll be rewarded for it. That and the fact that she just enjoys battle (in the Origin, when Valendrian asks what happened after they return from killing Vaughn, I had her say "Battle! Glorious battle!"). Although it will take some persuasion from Leliana to convince her to stay and fight.

I don't think she will be nice to Owen at all. All she will see is a pathetic excuse of a man who is making unreasonable demands. There is a chance she will kill him right on the spot for being such an ass. This won't bode well for the soldiers... not that she cares.

Oh and once Redcliffe is done, Alistair is SO going to be told to shut his piehole about the Connor issue! This game has been terrible for him. His approval is already at -45 with no treaties completed yet (working on Nature of the Beast at the moment). He's definitely going to go all the way down to -100.

[Annie_Dear]

My male Cousland, who is my only character who sided with the Werewolves, just hates the Dalish in general, so he was more than happy to see them die.
Yes, he is an a-hole

[Burningwolf]

Wait a moment wait a moment...let me get this straight.



The werewolves are clearly the wronged party.I mean...How long can crimes be paid for untill justice is served? This has clearly gone on for several generations.Sure,the werewolves are aggressive and combatitive,but so are humans.(Go break into somebodies home when they are home and see if you dont get into a fight,let alone shot dead)



The elven hunters in the woods getting mauled by the werewolves and getting sick? Tough.The speaker knew darn good and well where the werewolves were.Further provocation of the werewolves by the keeper.He lied through his teeth to cover his own arse.



Now...I saw all of the elves as fairly innocent bystanders to the whole mess...after all the keeper being who he is...he had the power and means to hide and shroud what he did/was still doing in reguards to the humans.So I honestly gave them the benefit of the doubt.



I always wind up curing the Werewolves.Just the way I am wired as a person.(which in my opinion IS siding with the Werewolves.)



For the record I do not condone breaking into someone elses home at anytime.Its a good way to get dead..Or in Jail at the least.

[Zjarcal]

Burningwolf wrote...

I always wind up curing the Werewolves.Just the way I am wired as a person.(which in my opinion IS siding with the Werewolves.)

I agree SO much with this. When you lift the curse you turn against Zathrian and fight alongside the Werewolves. It irks me that the game gives you the "Poacher" achievement (sided with the Elves) for lifting the curse, when if anything it's the other way around.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I actually wish that curing the curse gives you both the elves, but also more human volunteers to fight with you. Curing the curse is essentially siding with both the elves and werewolves and only really siding against Zathrian (also siding with him if you think you are saving him from himself).

[DWSmiley]

Zjarcal wrote...

Oh and once Redcliffe is done, Alistair is SO going to be told to shut his piehole about the Connor issue! This game has been terrible for him. His approval is already at -45 with no treaties completed yet (working on Nature of the Beast at the moment). He's definitely going to go all the way down to -100.

He'll spend less time anguishing over Duncan what with all the other things you're giving him to be upset about.

[Zjarcal]

This thread should really be in the Campaign quests and Storylines forum.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I actually wish that curing the curse gives you both the elves, but also more human volunteers to fight with you. Curing the curse is essentially siding with both the elves and werewolves and only really siding against Zathrian (also siding with him if you think you are saving him from himself).

True. Swiftrunner could've gathered some of his men and helped you in recruiting others.

There also should be a third achievement for lifting the curse.

DWSmiley wrote...
He'll spend less time anguishing over Duncan what with all the other things you're giving him to be upset about. 

So I'm doing him a favor then! 

[13Dannyboy13]

DWSmiley wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Oh and once Redcliffe is done, Alistair is SO going to be told to shut his piehole about the Connor issue! This game has been terrible for him. His approval is already at -45 with no treaties completed yet (working on Nature of the Beast at the moment). He's definitely going to go all the way down to -100.

He'll spend less time anguishing over Duncan what with all the other things you're giving him to be upset about.

I feel bad killing Connor, even though I usually choose that option just to slap Isolde, I can't stand that stuck up b*tch. Plus I really don't like Alistair, I can't stand self righteous charcaters like that, plus he's an idiot, reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and I just can't stand him.
Zathrian is annoying too, which is why I usually side with the wolves. I mean you have a blight to stop and he tries to use you as a pawn is his scheme against the werewolves, he cares nothing for the treaty, only his selfish motives. At least the werewolves are honest with you, they usually last a bit longer than the elves in Denerim too I found.

[DWSmiley]

Sooo, you kill a child because you want to make someone feel bad. You slaughter a clan because one of them annoyed you. And the werewovles honestly tell you they want the curse ended, so you "side" with them by killing the only person who could end it.

[nubbers666]

only did it once when i was playing a human noble

dam elfs always causing trouble for us humans lol

but did feel bad about doing it

[GithCheater]

DWSmiley wrote...

Sooo, you kill a child because you want to make someone feel bad. You slaughter a clan because one of them annoyed you. And the werewovles honestly tell you they want the curse ended, so you "side" with them by killing the only person who could end it.

I find nothing wrong with roleplaying (without metagaming) a flawed character, as DAO is not real life. 

[DWSmiley]

GithCheater wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

Sooo, you kill a child because you want to make someone feel bad. You slaughter a clan because one of them annoyed you. And the werewovles honestly tell you they want the curse ended, so you "side" with them by killing the only person who could end it.

I find nothing wrong with roleplaying (without metagaming) a flawed character, as DAO is not real life. 

Certainly nothing wrong with it; they are just pixels.  But flawed is a milder adjective than I would use. 

[TJPags]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Oh and once Redcliffe is done, Alistair is SO going to be told to shut his piehole about the Connor issue! This game has been terrible for him. His approval is already at -45 with no treaties completed yet (working on Nature of the Beast at the moment). He's definitely going to go all the way down to -100.

He'll spend less time anguishing over Duncan what with all the other things you're giving him to be upset about.

I feel bad killing Connor, even though I usually choose that option just to slap Isolde, I can't stand that stuck up b*tch. Plus I really don't like Alistair, I can't stand self righteous charcaters like that, plus he's an idiot, reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and I just can't stand him.
Zathrian is annoying too, which is why I usually side with the wolves. I mean you have a blight to stop and he tries to use you as a pawn is his scheme against the werewolves, he cares nothing for the treaty, only his selfish motives. At least the werewolves are honest with you, they usually last a bit longer than the elves in Denerim too I found.

If you don't like Isolde, why not kill her?
I don't like Alistair either - spare Loghain and send Ali off as a drunk to the Free Marches. 

If you don't like Zathrien, make him cure the wolves, which kills him in the process.  Why would you rewared their honesty by condemning them to a life they don't want?

[chefbobby203]

Oh come on what's the big deal with slapping Isolde. Besides if you are RPing and not metagaming then maybe your warden didn't know the goody two-shoes ending to everything in the first place....

[DWSmiley]

chefbobby203 wrote...

Oh come on what's the big deal with slapping Isolde. Besides if you are RPing and not metagaming then maybe your warden didn't know the goody two-shoes ending to everything in the first place....

No big deal, she deserves slapping.  And, yes, you could kill Connor because he is a threat.  But to kill him because his death will cause his mother grief - that's just being malicious.