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[rosscojohn]

This may take a while to get my point across, sorry:

Last week I started a new ME1 character and am halfway through ME2 and I'm starting to realise that Garrus is the only loyal character on my squad. As a result, I'll go crazy if he can't be recruited in ME3.

At first, when ME2 was released, I sort of understood why Ash / Kaiden / Liara / Wrex only had cameo appearances (Wrex could have been killed in ME1, And Ash / Kaiden / Liara need to stay alive to be in ME3 as LI's). But now I couldn't care less if they are in ME3 or not. Ash / Kaiden / Liara can go stuff themselves after their pitiful excuses in ME2, I don't want them.

Wrex on the other hand I'll take back if he wants to come, I can understand how trying to sort his people out is more important to him, giving his age and what he knows is coming soon. 

I've only come to this realisation now and I can't believe it's taken me this long. I mean, "I'm an Alliance soldier" excuse is so weak. These two know exactly what's at stake, they saw everything that went down in the first game, they even helped me steal the bloody Normandy to track Saren to Ilos. And now they seem to be blind to the beaurocracy of the council and don't trust Shep at all. Its Madness. And Bloody Liara won't join Shep cause she has got to find a way to save her "friend". She only knew him for five minutes and he betrayed her all the time. Now suddenly this shifty drell is more important to her than Shep. I suppose the new DLC makes up for it a little bit but really, the excuse doesn't sway me whatsoever.

I'm even disappointed in Tali a little bit for not joining me sooner but I'll forgive her.

Going back to the original point after that little rant it seem only Garrus is willing to join Shep no questions asked. Even in ME1 he just joined up. He gave up his pretty good government job in the heart of the galactic community to help me. And in ME2 he joins my suicide mission without any resistance whatsoever. Sure he might be a bit of a lunatic, always wanting to go on revenge killings, and he has a MacGyver / Renegade complex trying to go it alone on Omega, but he is loyal and really the only person I can trust that has been in all the games. And when it comes to ME3, the final chapter, I don't want some new characters, I want people I can trust and that have been in it with me from the beginning. Some new ones would be interesting but there has got to be the option of getting the original team back, that is, if you will have them back.

[MobiusTyr]

Garrus is a beast. Garrus is also a true friend to shepard.

[OBakaSama]

If memory serves I think there's a thread that deals with trust with the squadmates. Personally I feel that Garrus is the most trustworthy of all the squadmates. One point on Garrus' recruitment though, he does say (I think) he'll go with you if you get him out alive. It's not much of a stipulation given the context, but a stipulation nonetheless.



The Virmire Survivor's reaction was unbelievable and annoying to say the least. I found Tali's reaction more believable, plus the context sort of emphasises her disbelief.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Cool. But you should of just brought this up in the garrus thread and not make a thread out of it.

[IndigoWolfe]

Haw.

[GuardianAngel470]

OBakaSama wrote...

If memory serves I think there's a thread that deals with trust with the squadmates. Personally I feel that Garrus is the most trustworthy of all the squadmates. One point on Garrus' recruitment though, he does say (I think) he'll go with you if you get him out alive. It's not much of a stipulation given the context, but a stipulation nonetheless.

The Virmire Survivor's reaction was unbelievable and annoying to say the least. I found Tali's reaction more believable, plus the context sort of emphasises her disbelief.

No, he says he will explain to you what happened if you get him out alive. He was coming no matter what, cause he's awesome like that.

I wrote a fan fiction about him, the links are in my sig. 

[Collider]

Garrus isn't the only loyal squad member, but I'd say he is the most loyal. This is partly because unlike some other squad mates, Garrus doesn't really have any obligations to a faction. His primary loyalties are to Shepard/the effort against the Reapers, and his family.



In contrast, you have Kaidan/Ashley with the Alliance, Tali with the Quarians, Wrex with the krogans, Liara with Shadowbroker, Miranda with Cerberus, Jacob with Cerberus, Grunt with Clan Urdnot, etc and so forth.



Garrus doesn't really have any (current) affiliations to any organization. He resigned from his C-Sec job. The turians arent ailing like the krogans and quarians are either, so he doesn't really need to help the turians anyway.

[jlb524]

No.

[LiquidGrape]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 22 octobre 2010 - 12:01 .

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

No.

[rosscojohn]

Collider wrote...

Garrus isn't the only loyal squad member, but I'd say he is the most loyal. This is partly because unlike some other squad mates, Garrus doesn't really have any obligations to a faction. His primary loyalties are to Shepard/the effort against the Reapers, and his family.

In contrast, you have Kaidan/Ashley with the Alliance, Tali with the Quarians, Wrex with the krogans, Liara with Shadowbroker, Miranda with Cerberus, Jacob with Cerberus, Grunt with Clan Urdnot, etc and so forth.

Garrus doesn't really have any (current) affiliations to any organization. He resigned from his C-Sec job. The turians arent ailing like the krogans and quarians are either, so he doesn't really need to help the turians anyway.

I Disagree, It doesn't matter what faction they belong to, they all know whats coming with the reapers and whats at stake. Tali and Wrex are the only ones with valid excuses I think. 

[Druss99]

From all that I just read that Garrus is the only one with nothing better to do.

Shepard: Garrus I'm forming a....

Garrus: Shotgun!

[Ryzaki]

Druss99 wrote...


From all that I just read that Garrus is the only one with nothing better to do.
Shepard: Garrus I'm forming a....
Garrus: Shotgun!

  

Still Garrus is the one being my Shep can count on to always have their back. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

Garrus Vakarian.

[Dasher10]

Wait, so instead of "everyone is GAR for Garrus, no exceptions." Garrus is GAR for Shepard and thus everybody?

[Inquisitor Recon]

What's GAR mean?

Garrus seems to go off and do pointless and hopeless things, until he joins Shepard on some insane suicide mission Shepard likes to do for a living. He's a likable sort of fellow for that, and never complains.

[pf17456]

[GuardianAngel470]

Alright Liara fans, facepalm gifs are what is considered trolling. Differing opinions are just that, differing opinions.



For the record, I have looked through much of the old thread (pre-LotSB) since one of you had the kindness to link to page 445, and you all were saying much the same thing. Liara of ME2 was not quite right, there were aspects of her character that were not adequately explained. You still loved her, but you were hurt that she had gotten the shaft (seemingly).



I believe that Garrus, from a come when he's needed standpoint, is the most loyal. Let's face it, a dead guy does not need anything. But when Shepard came back and was looking for squadmates, Garrus was the only one to simply pack up and head out with you (granted however it is probably due to the fact that he had no where else to go).

[pf17456]

Don't get me wrong. I like Garrus. He'll probably be the best man at my Shepard's bondmate ceremony but as far as being the most loyal I think OP has overlooked the sense of loyalty involved in recovering Shepard's body and the risks taken in doing so. It wasn't Garrus. Furthermore there's only one character so far who does not require a 'loyalty' mission to be loyal. There's only one character willing to go to hell and back for Shepard in the game and dispite OP's lack of appreciation for the grieving process and shortsightedness Liara is without question the most loyal character in the game. No one has done more, sacrificed more, made more of an effort Shepard than Liara. Just because she didn't want to drop everything on Illium doesn't mean she's not loyal. Her loyalty extends well beyond, to the point of devotion and just because she feels an obligation to seek closure for someone left behind in her effort to save Shepard's corpse doesn't mean she has no sense of loyalty to Shepard.

Like I said, I like Garrus, He's probably the second most dependable ally Shepard has but he's not the first.

[GuardianAngel470]

pf17456 wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I like Garrus. He'll probably be the best man at my Shepard's bondmate ceremony but as far as being the most loyal I think OP has overlooked the sense of loyalty involved in recovering Shepard's body and the risks taken in doing so. It wasn't Garrus. Furthermore there's only one character so far who does not require a 'loyalty' mission to be loyal. There's only one character willing to go to hell and back for Shepard in the game and dispite OP's lack of appreciation for the grieving process and shortsightedness Liara is without question the most loyal character in the game. No one has done more, sacrificed more, made more of an effort Shepard than Liara. Just because she didn't want to drop everything on Illium doesn't mean she's not loyal. Her loyalty extends well beyond, to the point of devotion and just because she feels an obligation to seek closure for someone left behind in her effort to save Shepard's corpse doesn't mean she has no sense of loyalty to Shepard.
Like I said, I like Garrus, He's probably the second most dependable ally Shepard has but he's not the first.

There is definitely that argument. Personally I am of the mind that Liara's actions were caused by something else and thus I agree for the most part with the OPs point.

however, Liara does have a loyalty mission of the same type that Garrus has. I think we should ignore the arbitrary Loyalty game mechanic and instead focus on their actions and behavior. Garrus, after finding out you were alive, joins without question. It can be argued that he didn't have much choice, but his subsequent dialog indicates he would have anyway.

Liara, not to say that from a certain perspective she isn't more loyal, doesn't really. Before LotSB Liara's excuse for not coming with you is that she has to hunt down the SB. Were it Garrus (actually it is an identical situation. Liara wants revenge on the SB and Garrus wants revenge on Sedonis) he would have come to the normandy and done it from there. He does do it from there.

The revenge angle is where Liara's loyalty, in my opinion, is second to Garrus'. Whereas Liara refuses to either drop it and try and get revenge from the Normandy when there's a chance or simply operate from the Normandy, Garrus puts his own revenge on hold in order to fight with shepard.

So the OP has a point, I just don't know if that was the one he was making.

[Fiery Phoenix]

This thread is hilarious.

[GuardianAngel470]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

This thread is hilarious.

Why, its an honest discussion like anything else.

Some people like those you know.

[morrie23]

If Garrus had worked tirelessly to get Shepards body back from the Shadow Broker, then yes you may have a point. He didn't, Liara did. Judging a chacater on whether they join up straight away does a great disservice to the character. By that logic, nearly all the ME2 squadmates could be said to be loyal, while only two ME1 are.



Also Garrus didn't 'simply pack up and head out with you'. You say it yourself, he was about to be killed by 3 merc bands, Shepard arrived just in time to save him. You can say he came with Shepard because the alternative was being killed on Omega, rather than an overriding loyalty to Shepard (as this also happens even him you don't recruit Garrus in ME1!).