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[Evelinessa]

OBakaSama wrote...

I'm constructing a playthrough as a Renegade xenophobic trigger-happy Shepard in ME1 at the moment, so I'll be interested how that turns out for ME2 and ME3 when that comes out.

As I understand it if Garrus wasn't recruited in ME1 there's only a change in a tiny bit of dialogue when you meet him in ME2...and that's it! In such a case Garrus' character is woefully underdeveloped. (It is this aspect that Dragon Age excels at. The interactions between characters are great, something Mass Effect could certainly do more with.) But that's the gameplay mechanics coming in much like the case of Liara. Regardless how you play your Shepard Liara will always be the one who gets Shepard's body back and hands it to Cerberus enabling Shepard's eventual resurrection.

Garrus, on the other hand, seems to pursue the path that Shepard's own alignment suggests. If I'm correct a Paragon Shepard means Garrus goes back to C-Sec and a Renegade Shepard means Garrus pursues the Spectre route. It would seem that Shepard's ideals and methods have a great impact on Garrus, seemingly more so than the other squad members.

Another gameplay mechanic point I wish to raise though: I always thought the limit of choosing two squad members to go with Shepard as a limit of the game itself rather than what would actually occur in those circumstances. Personally I would find it hard to believe that the unpicked squad members 'did nothing'. Perhaps I'm wrong on that point, but I've always seen the three characters on a mission as a game limitation rather than what actually occurred (if that makes any sense).

There is one other thing that changes if you don't recruit him in ME1:

You can't romance him in ME2. But other then that nothing really changes.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Garrus didn't even know Shepard's body was recoverable. You can't really fault him for not chasing a ghost.

Neither did Liara. Read the comic. Liara went searching to make sure Shepard was in fact dead. It was Cerberus who told her Shepard was dead and they didn't even tell her the plans. Liara was doing this all to get your body back, stop the SB from giving it to the Collectors and giving you a proper burial and to make it clear you where dead. Liara was not told Cerberus was going to bring Shepard back until after Liara gbrought her body back.

The comic proves this, Liara struggled with this choice and even tho she did give your body to Cerberus she is hurt. You need to play LotSB to understand the full reason why Liara is so cold and distant and why she is hurting.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 23 octobre 2010 - 09:26 .

[rosscojohn]

Lizardviking wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

So wait. Running the largest information network in the galaxy isn't a good excuse for not coming with you?

I do agree with Garrus being one of the most loyal people, he's definetly one of those people that would follow Shepard to the bitter end. Also for those who like to bring up the fact that Garrus didn't recover Shepard's body,  remember that he was busy either working for c-sec or training as a specter (that he failed is another thing).

No, it definitely is, and if by the time Shepard was revived Liara was the SB then I would totally understand.

But she isn't. She's still out for revenge and she isn't even trying for a rescue. She already thinks Feron is dead.

I understand why the OP might not find Liara's reason for not joining you during Illium bad. But he said he still didn't buy Liara's reason for not joining Shepard at the end of LTOSB, which is just plain silly.

I never said that

[OBakaSama]

Evelinessa wrote...

There is one other thing that changes if you don't recruit him in ME1:

You can't romance him in ME2. But other then that nothing really changes.

Ah, right. Never did that playthrough. Thanks for the info. Never romanced Garrus, but then I've never really romanced many of the characters in ME2. I might try and see what happens in a default ME2 game, though I suspect he is romancable as previous playthroughs suggests that Garrus was recruited.

@ rosscojohn: I think it might be that you wrote "I suppose the new DLC makes up for it a little bit but really, the excuse doesn't sway me whatsoever." It could be read, as the case seems to be, that even after LotSB you still couldn't accept Liara's reasoning. Though I'm guessing your actual intention fully spelled out is that Liara's reasoning in ME2 doesn't sway you, a reason which persisted even after LotSB and still remained unconvincing to you, but you could understand Liara's reasoning after LotSB which came a bit little and too late to change that initial judgement. Maybe.

[rosscojohn]

Well I'm playing another play through now and I've done LotSB before going through the Omega 4 relay, It makes up for it a bit, the fact that she does have more important stuff to do. BUT when you first meet her on Illium and do the hacking etc she still has her old excuse. It is better with the DLC but still that very first excuse as well as Ash / Kaiden's are still really lacking. At first I thought "Oh well the Dev's are making sure they are going to be in ME3" but now, after thinking about it I'm over it, if they want to be in ME3 they should have grown a quad and helped me in ME2 when I needed it.

Modifié par rosscojohn, 23 octobre 2010 - 11:42 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 24 octobre 2010 - 06:16 .

[OBakaSama]

@ rosscojohn: What you're saying pretty much fits with the latter interpretation I offered for your comments, so I think I know where you're coming from on that. To clarify further (for those of us who aren't quite sure or have misread your post(s)) what you're saying is a reflection on the issue of why Feron has seemingly become more important to Liara than Shepard (especially if she was the love interest in ME1)? And to further compound that annoyance, assuming you've read Redemption, that Liara's reason for not joining Shepard is rather flimsy. Am I correct?



Feel that went off-topic somewhat so let's get back to Garrus.



There's a certain feeling I get concerning Garrus' eagerness to join Shepard is that he doesn't have any other commitments. Wrex, if alive, has the Krogan; Tali completes her Pilgrimage and goes back to the Flotilla; the Virmire Survivor is still Alliance and is reassigned; Liara (flimsy excuse or not) was tracking the Shadow Broker (oh, and having completed a Renegade runthrough Shepard also destroys her life work on the Protheans in one fell swoop); and Garrus...went back to C-Sec or applied for the Spectres which, for whatever reason, he couldn't fulfil and went to Omega to distribute justice there as an 'independent force' not affiliated with anyone.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

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Modifié par Pacifien, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:43 .