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[DPSSOC]

Shandepared wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

2 things wrong with this anology.
1. if a tiger is so dangerous DON"T provoke it.
2. A tiger is a hunter and can still be dangerous. you have no evidence the geth are dangerous, only your irrational fears.

Wrong. My point with the tiger was that it is inherently dangerous simply because of what it can do to you. This applies with the geth and with any A.I. in fact.

Here I must disagree.  Tiger's are dangerous because they're predators, there are plenty of animals capable of far more damage than tigers we deem to be completely harmless.  Elephants for example, when an elephant does go on a rampage it is capable of doing a lot of damage and getting a lot of people hurt.  However even wild elephants, if left alone, are completely harmless.  It's the mentality, that hard wired instinct to hunt and kil, that makes tigers dangerous.  So the question is did the Geth possess that kind of dangerous mentality?

Now I agree the Quarians couldn't afford to just sit around and wait to find out, the potential damage the Geth could do was too great if it turned out that yeah they did, but they've had 300 years to look back and think on it and consider if the Geth really were as dangerous as they had thought and they've chosen not to.

[DPSSOC]

Shandepared wrote...

Elephants aren't dangerous animals. Interesting. I guess I've learned something.

Not if you leave them alone.  They're similar to bears really.  If you're not stupid about it you can walk not 3 feet from a Grizzly and have no problems, heck there's a documentary about a man who practically lived with Grizzlies (called the Grizzly Man I believe) which unfortunately ended with him being stupid about it and getting killed.  The only truly dangerous bear is the Polar Bear because it's strictly carnivorous and used to eating things our size.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Elephants aren't dangerous animals. Interesting. I guess I've learned something.

Elephants are dangerous. They are also ugly. Let's kill the bastards.


Things that are also dangerous:

Boulders.
Farming equipment.
Cars.
Parachute jumps.
Fire.
Life.

[Nightwriter]

This attitude is illogical.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Things that are also dangerous:

Boulders.
Farming equipment.
Cars.
Parachute jumps.
Fire.
Life.

Geth.

Covered.

Also, I have recollected that in Revelation attempts to establish contact with the Geth were mentioned to be undertaken immediately after the war. But those were unmanned probes, which could be perceived by Geth as hostile action in preparation for an invasion. Something that is continued to be done to the present day.

Also, from a purely metagaming standpoint, I think it's quite possible, that BioWare has intended from the very beginning to make the Geth instrumental in the Reapers' defeat.

[curly haired boy]

i sympathize with the quarians because it's tough when your toasters kick you off planet because you gave them wifi. :|

[Kaiser Shepard]

Shand, small question: did you gain your current perspective on the geth before or after you met lady Xen?

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:25 .

[atheelogos]

DPSSOC wrote...

This has been something that's been bothering me since ME1 so I figured I'd get it off my chest while I'm bored.  How do you people do it?  What is it about the Quarians that engenders sympathy cause I've got nothing.  Any sympathy I might feel for their situation is dashed away by the fact it's their own damn fault and, more importantly, they don't realize it.

So, keeping things civil, what makes you sympathize with the Quarians, what quality do they possess that makes them pitiable?

"Any sympathy I might feel for their situation is dashed away by the fact
it's their own damn fault and, more importantly, they don't realize it." Yeah that pretty much sums up how I feel. Don't get me wrong I like the Quarians and all that, but at the end of the day they're the ones making life hard on themselves.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Organics have zero experience of peaceful interaction with geth until Shepard meets Legion.

That's to be expected when their first experience is a fight for their existence. Naturally, they isolated themselves until they could understand the reason for the violence in the first place.

Shandepared wrote...

Come, seriously though. Think realistically about this. Organics have never attacked geth, in fact the Council condemned the quarians for ever trying to destroy the geth. That alone should have told the geth that organics were open to peace with them as  whole. Instead they chose isolation, killed anyone who tried to make contact, and now you're expecting me to be sympathetic to them?

Organics have never attacked geth? Did you forget the quarians? That is a pretty goddamn important example of organics, their own creators, attacking geth. Naturally the Morning War soured geth opinions of organic interaction.

Shandepared wrote...

None of what you have said has in any way given me (nor should it anyone else) any reason to sympathize with the geth. None of what you said makes them any less isolationist or violent. They share virtually all of the blame for the galaxy's current fear, mistrust, and outright hatred of them. They've done nothing to ever counter the galaxy's opinion of them.

Isolationist, certainly. Violent, only by necessity.

You're keep suggesting that it's the geth's fault for not reaching out despite the fact that their creators tried to wipe them out at the dawn of their intelligence. They obviously decided living in isolation was best in the short term and it has been working out for them for hundreds of years. Obviously that is going to change somehow with the whole reaper ordeal.

Part of the reason why you don't sympathize with the geth is that you seem incapable of seeing things from their perspective based on your many posts on the subject.

Shandepared wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Shand, small question: did you gain your current perspective on the geth before or after you met lady Xen?

Before playing ME2 I was a huge geth fan and I argued with people constantly that they were just misunderstood victims.

Honest, that's the truth.

Daro'Xen changed everything.

If she were real, I'd marry her.

How did Daro'Xen change your opinion exactly?

I also half expect your opinion to do a 180 again after ME3.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Shandepared wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Shand, small question: did you gain your current perspective on the geth before or after you met lady Xen?

Before playing ME2 I was a huge geth fan and I argued with people constantly that they were just misunderstood victims.

Honest, that's the truth.

Daro'Xen changed everything.

If she were real, I'd marry her.

Well, that explains everything...

[wulf3n]

Shandepared wrote...
Before playing ME2 I was a huge geth fan and I argued with people constantly that they were just misunderstood victims.

Honest, that's the truth.

Daro'Xen changed everything.

If she were real, I'd marry her.

that's no small amount of creepy.
I'm curious as to which line of dialog made you feel that morbid experimentation on a species you like is not just ok, but awesome?
Unless your saying it was her voice then i understand 

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

How did Daro'Xen change your opinion exactly?

She didn't.

Oh, then what did you mean when you said she changed everything?

Edit: Oh I get it, you're blinded by love. That explains everything. 

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:14 .

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Shand, small question: did you gain your current perspective on the geth before or after you met lady Xen?

Before playing ME2 I was a huge geth fan and I argued with people constantly that they were just misunderstood victims.

Honest, that's the truth.

Daro'Xen changed everything.

If she were real, I'd marry her.

Don't need a scarcasm meter there... we debated enough pre-ME2 to know you have never been pro Geth.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Covered.

Geth aren't alive.

But you are, which makes all things in the world dangerous for you.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I find it amussing how some people are attacking the Geth for the morning war and calling them inherintly dangerous because of that. So they had one war where they weren't the agressors their only real crime being that that won in some peoples eyes. Sure civilians died in the war but guess what kids civilians always die in wars its just going to happen no matter what either side does. Fun fact did you know that for every soldier killed in WW2 two civilians also died? Civilian death is horrible but its a part of war if you think there some way of preventing it than I'm affaid to say you live in a fairy tale world.



Now lets look at the Core Geth after the war what have they done to the rest of the galaxy? Nothing. If you remember the Codex saying that the first ship that went into the Veil was sent back with its crew as husks... Guess what people if they were made into husks that means that it was the Heritics who killed them not the core Geth. The ability to make husks is Reaper tech and the Core Geth rejected it so the only one that can be blamed for that ship and possibly every other ship is there Heritics.



If you remember once the Heritics made up their minds the Core Geth made them leave, clearly because they never left the Veil until ME! they were still in Geth space but they would probably pushed to the very corner of their space out of the way of the other Geth which makes all the ships that are destroyed by the Geth were actually the work of the Heritics the entire time. Untill we are filled in on the fact during ME3 I submit that this is the most likely case.



Finally lets look at the idea that the Geth are dangerous, if we are comparing them to us than I'd laugh in your face and tell you that you're a silly person. There's never been a time in human history where we havn't been at war with eachother, killing eavhother on mass for all kinds of different reasons. We've tortured, beaten, raped, and killed eachother for thousands of years and somehow you people can look at the Geth who have gone 300 years without having a war, without ever leaving their space to harm anyone and call them dangerous?!