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[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

The only thing I've ever seen her work on is engines.

Field experience with the geth is irrelevent, the only prequisite for that is the ability to shoot them dead.

Xen is older and presumably better educated and more experienced than Tali is, yet Tali dismisses her ideas with no real reason given.

Tali's not being mature about this. If she wants the homeworld back she needs to give Xen' plans more consideration.

Because there were a lot of AI's on the SR-1 to work on, and EDI is obviously malfunctioning....

And Xen's experience is with what? 300 year old textbook theories on Geth? The only data they have not 300 years old comes from Tali. It was Tali's father, not Xen, studying modern Geth, and even then clandestinely. How about Tali dismisses her ideas because Tali has some actual knowledge of the subject?

Do you have any actual evidence that Tali doesn't know what she is talking about other than it being inconvenient to your preferred storyline?

[Ryzaki]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I can't sympathize with the species that is reviled by every other council race and forced into isolation if they want to live peacefully? That was attacked the first time they tried to make contact? That was only defending themselves? 

I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying I don't understand it.

It's basically saying, "Oh, you poor, poor geth. Did those mean old quarians attack you?" as the geth assume control of former quarian space while the survivors are high-tailing it out of there on the Migrant Fleet.

Frankly, the geth are in a stronger position than a number of other species in the galaxy. Not to mention that their revilement and isolationism is pretty much self-induced, given their propensity for tracking and blasting with no questions asked any ship entering the Veil (and those are the lucky ones).

Did you miss the whole Heretics conversation? Or the fact that most people will shoot a Geth on sight? 

[Ryzaki]

Shandepared wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Or the fact that most people will shoot a Geth on sight? 

The reverse is also true.

Yup. Legion totally shot you on sight. 

Edit: I'm not talking about the heretics. Who for the most part soured the relations between people and the Geth. 

So no. Co-existance isn't presentally possible unless everyone's willing to meet with the non-heretic geth at a certain location. 

...And seeing as everyone only met Heretic Geth that's going to be hard to pull of. 

But if anyone could pull it off ShepSue can do it! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Shandepared wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: I'm not talking about the heretics. Who for the most part soured the relations between people and the Geth.

No, the geth as a whole earned that reputation when they murdered anyone who tried to make contact with them for the last 300 years.

Stop being such a fanboy. The geth have no one to blame but themselves for their lousy reputation.

They earned it.

Right so the Quarians earned their position now. So both parties have exactly what they deserve according to you. 

And calling someone a fanboy is totally the way to get someone to take you seriously. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

And Xen's experience is with what? 300 year old textbook theories on Geth?

How do you know?

Did you forget about the last couple of years?

Did you forget that the Quarians already tried to alter the Geth 300 years ago before they attacked? That was when the Quarians had limitless resources to use and were working on Geth that had programs that they had intimate knowledge of and they still couldn't alter the Geth. Yet you believe that now the Quarians with virtually no resources at all (And the tech they do have is second-hand) can somehow find a way to alter the Geth who now have had 300 years to improve their software and who the Quarians know little to nothing about save for chucks they get here and there?

I think you have too much faith in a crazy person. (I call her crazy because disecting toys is a sure sign of some type of phycosis)

[Ryzaki]

Shandepared wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Right so the Quarians earned their position now. So both parties have exactly what they deserve according to you.

Geth and quarians are not at all similar. Geth do not have generations of individual people. In fact, they are basically the same being. The geth around today are the same geth that murdered billions of quarian civilians.

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The logical failure is astounding. 

[Ryzaki]

Shandepared wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


The logical failure is astounding. 

The lack of an argument in your posts is astounding.

Care to explain how I'm wrong? If I'm such a moron it should be easy.

Because Legion's loyalty mission tells you you're wrong. 

The fact that they can't reach a consensus on certain things leads to *gasp* not all being the same! 

Heck Legion itself disproves your nonsense theory. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:03 .

[Ryzaki]

Shandepared wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Because Legion's loyalty mission tells you you're wrong.

It does? When? How? Where?

You miss the whole "Geth vs Heretics" and how the non-heretic geth were unable to reach a decision concerning them? You miss the fact that the rewriting/destroying decision was half split? 

[Dean_the_Young]

The Geth have certainly grown and evolved, and even increased in number, but without any sign or evidence of Geth population replacement, Shand's point is true: the Geth today include the same geth who genocided the Quarians.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Geth have certainly grown and evolved, and even increased in number, but without any sign or evidence of Geth population replacement, Shand's point is true: the Geth today include the same geth who genocided the Quarians.

Never said it didn't. But they don't all hold the exact same beliefs. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Edit: For clarification every single Geth doesn't think exactly alike. I mean...why else would they not be able to reach a consensus regarding the decision on Legion's loyalty mission?
Then what the heck is your whole "They all deserved what they got!" about? 

If you don't think they all think exactly the same then that argument applies to the Quarians as well. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:12 .

[Dean_the_Young]

No. But then, he never said they did either. And we haven't seen evidence that the Geth have in any form punished those who held and enacted those beliefs. The Quarians who were involved are long since dead: the Geth, not.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No. But then, he never said they did either. And we haven't seen evidence that the Geth have in any form punished those who held and enacted those beliefs. The Quarians who were involved are long since dead: the Geth, not.

Right because self-defense is a crime now. 

[Ryzaki]

Shandepared wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Right because self-defense is a crime now. 

It's only a crime if quarians are doing it.

So the Geth attacked first? I could've sworn the Quarians tried to shut them down after learning they were sentient.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why would it be? Self-defense is no crime.



But even you have to admit that the Geth went far beyond self-defense: 99% and more of the Quarian population was killed, and kept being killed well after the Quarian government and military (the instigators) were unable to beat the Geth. The Civilian populace, wiped out to a child bar those who fled?



It stopped being self-defense well before then.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Geth have certainly grown and evolved, and even increased in number, but without any sign or evidence of Geth population replacement, Shand's point is true: the Geth today include the same geth who genocided the Quarians.

Incorrect, just because the Geth today can access the data that the Geth from 300 years ago experienced doesn't make them the same. Legion explains it while he's talking Philosophy with Shepard, he talks about how organics ask questions and how they try to figure them out. Legion states that the Geth already know some of these questions. One was about death, Legion states that when they die their memories are archived.... did you read that he said when they DIE there memories are archived.

The thing with Legion is his huge points are very sudbtle. Legion sees the Geth as able to die but in a way they don't die because their memories can be stored and accessed when needed. So when new Geth are created they are like a blank slate and it begins to experience things on its own but is able to access memories of Geth who died to learn. So to say that they are the same Geth would be like saying we are who our ancestors are because we learn about them from history books or old videos.

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

How do you know?

Did you forget about the last couple of years?

The last couple hundred years where no Geth left the veil and no ship entering the veil survived? No, I hadn't forgotten. Unless you are trying to say that Admiral Xen spent the last two years doing field work studing the Geth and just got back?

I repeats... do you have anything to support your opinion?