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[Praetor Knight]

mortons4ck wrote...

Wasn't the idea of element zero based off of dark matter and dark energy?

If so, I would say it was composed of entirely different elementary particles (ie no protons, neutrons, or electrons)

Eezo simply seems to be a particle or compound that has an atomic number of zero, which is to say a particle or compound without an extra proton or spare electron (but there are also the known Nobel gases, which are paired between protons and electrons).

Particles and compounds with a zero atomic weight are theoriezed to be found most commonly in neutron stars (and also not very useful to organic life).

That is not to say that eezo is less common then other compounds or elements, only that they are electro-magentically neutral, since they do not have a positive or negative charge associated with them, so they are also harder to track with current instruments and methods (but there are theorized isotopes), thus our understanding of neutronium.

Elements on the periodic table are not the end-all of known matter, only the most commonly found on Earth and the most easily measurable matter in our space-time that are involved in chemical reactions and heavier matter that can be theoretically created (or have been in existance for nanoseconds in particle accelerators or are highly radioactive).

Nevertheless, the potentially high mass of a neutronium compound could then form a singularity that pulls other matter into its gravity well due to a higher mass and gravitation, or high density, which is also were dark energy and dark matter intertacts with matter, but  those two forms are currently not  yet fully measurable or fully explained and / or understandable, since they are currently on the fringe of our scientific understanding.

Hope this quick and dirty synopsis helps the understanding of the most current ideas regarding neutronium (with very little on degenerate states of matter)... (I did not include other sub-atomic particles such as fermions, since I'm still trying to understand it all too) 

[jojon2se]

Well, there is positronium, that has neither protons nor neutrons, but that doesn't last many nanoseconds.

If you can come up with a neutral composition that is close to, with the right stimulus, snapping into a dark matter entity, like a game of Kal-toh, or act as a catalyst to make other, normal matter do that transition, you may be on your way to make ME magic real.

[Phaedon]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Nevertheless, the potentially high mass of a neutronium compound could then form a singularity that pulls other matter into its gravity well due to a higher mass and gravitation, or high density, which is also were dark energy and dark matter intertacts with matter, but those two forms are currently not yet fully measurable or fully explained and / or understandable, since they are currently on the fringe of our scientific understanding.

Since you seem to know your stuff, do you have any suggestions on how dark energy changes the mass of an object ?

[tcn-talon]

Phaedon wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...
Nevertheless, the potentially high mass of a neutronium compound could then form a singularity that pulls other matter into its gravity well due to a higher mass and gravitation, or high density, which is also were dark energy and dark matter intertacts with matter, but those two forms are currently not yet fully measurable or fully explained and / or understandable, since they are currently on the fringe of our scientific understanding.

Since you seem to know your stuff, do you have any suggestions on how dark energy changes the mass of an object ?

My guess would be that it doesn't actually change the mass of the object, but rather, how the universe reacts to said mass. It wouldn't change the object itself, but rather the forces of gravitation that would normally affect it.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

CottonBALL wrote...

Hidrogen has 1 proton, therfore, it is number 1 in periodic element table. EEZO should have 0 protons in it's core, but it can still have neutrons, don't know how many though.

hmmm... what about anti-protons? alot of neutrons, and a atomic neucleus or graviton?

[Phaedon]

Hmm, so would it change the force acted on an object (the acceleration pretty much, since mass shouldn't change) or would it change the actual space around the object ? The second should be more likely, since dark energy already affects space doesn't it ? (Doesn't it affect the expansion of the universe ?)

Bah. Mass Effect is going to make me waste my money on cosmology books.

Modifié par Phaedon, 23 octobre 2010 - 04:18 .

[Phaedon]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

CottonBALL wrote...

Hidrogen has 1 proton, therfore, it is number 1 in periodic element table. EEZO should have 0 protons in it's core, but it can still have neutrons, don't know how many though.

hmmm... what about anti-protons? alot of neutrons, and a atomic neucleus or graviton?

Anti-protons are anti-particles of protons, they are the exact opposite of them. They are completely different particles, they don't have anything to do with that.

[TelexFerra]

Element Zero would have no protons or electrons. It would simply be two neutrons stuck together. This is also known as Neutronium

[FuturePasTimeCE]

TelexFerra wrote...

Element Zero would have no protons or electrons. It would simply be two neutrons stuck together. This is also known as Neutronium

but they still carry density, neutrons still make up for atomic density or something.

1 neutron still equal the density/weight of 1 proton minus the polarity/energy. 2 protons vs 2 neutrons in regards of zero mass doesn't mean anything... neutrons still can carry "weight".

it's anti-matter. anti-proton.

Phaedon wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

CottonBALL wrote...

Hidrogen has 1 proton, therfore, it is number 1 in periodic element table. EEZO should have 0 protons in it's core, but it can still have neutrons, don't know how many though.

hmmm... what about anti-protons? alot of neutrons, and a atomic neucleus or graviton?

Anti-protons are anti-particles of protons, they are the exact opposite of them. They are completely different particles, they don't have anything to do with that.

no, electrons are the exact opposites of protons (electrons = negatively charged... proton = positively charged... neutrons = neutral charge)... dude this is basic high school chemistry or 4th grade science.

"what is a atom, class?", 2nd Grade

anti-proton = not a "regular" proton (minus the weight), and isn't a electron either... 

"remember kids... ATOMS are not science fiction. In fact, you're made of ATOMS too.", 2nd Grade class Part 2

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 23 octobre 2010 - 11:21 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

TelexFerra wrote...

Element Zero would have no protons or electrons. It would simply be two neutrons stuck together. This is also known as Neutronium

it doesn't mean anything... it'd likely produce a element or substance that don't conduct something of the EM Spectrum due to the lack of specific atomic polarity alignment... "dammit, all of these damn neutrons are absorbing the negative charge polarity of this conductivity, we need some hydrogen energy dammit, or something lighter than helium stronger than hydrogen... and to flip a proton inside out!!!", crazy talk of the future

Fe as in Iron has alot of electrons and stuff, thus can carry electricity but Neutronium as in something can nullify conductivity or something... absorbing currents of either atomic polarity or something I don't know (i think the idea of smashing protons+electrons together = a super spark = pure energy = antimatter...negative+possitive = spark, what's a quantum spark?)... meaning i highly doubt if it could generate some super magnetic mass effect electric-rail energy stuff.

i'd say mass effect is more of a generic presentation of quantum mechanics, with less elaboration of what mass-matter effect is, and how it works...meissner effect? Einstein's theory of time space fabrics being inanimate thus flexed once mass/matter/energy/gravity interacts with it is like labeling that effect as Mass/Matter Effect(ing) Time Space fabrics. 

the movie contact is like a technical prequel of mass effect.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 23 octobre 2010 - 05:37 .

[WuWeiWu]

Mass Relays: Bending the fabric of space until two distant points aren't so distant.

[pf17456]

The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by physicists. The element, tentatively named Administratum, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0.



However it does have:





1 neutron

125 assistant neutrons

75 vice-neutrons

111 assistant vice-neutrons



This gives it an atomic mass of 312. The 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.

Since it has no electrons, Administratum is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every action with which it comes in contact. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratum causes one reaction to take four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second.



Administratum has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons, and assistant vice-neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization. Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratum occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations, and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed, and best maintained buildings.



Scientists point out that Administratum is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how. Administratum can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.

[Pepper4]

You are obviously hyped after your last physics lesson.
It is science fiction.

[Oblarg]

Christmas Ape wrote...
Alliance military standard field ration values do not a weight-manipulated-to-calories-burned calculation make. I stand correct, though I will admit a figure of limited value is given.
That's what I get for not giving a damn about Alenko, I guess.

It also gives the figure for the standard military rations (3000 kcal).  So, 1500 kcal plus a canteen of energy drink (probably ~500 kcal) go straight to biotics.  Make an educated guess (read: make up) the efficiency of biotically throwing something and you have yourself a calculation.

Modifié par Oblarg, 23 octobre 2010 - 09:50 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

WuWeiWu wrote...

Mass Relays: Bending the fabric of space until two distant points aren't so distant.

it's caled a einstein rossen bridge... it literally punches a hole in space time thus entering other branes of dimensions (entering a state of pure universal energy)... 

let's call our human reality, relativity... it's what our human senses perceive as immediate reality... the universe's overall reality is beyond that... that's like how we can only see light on the EM spectrum, yet can't see xrays/gamma rays... it's beyond our human senses to perceive those invisible powerful spectrums as reality... we can't even hear sub-sonic sounds of the EM spectrum, yet we're human... we "know" reality better than reality itself.

but by entering a wormhole/einstein-rossen bridge, you're reaching even more exotic nature of the super-complexed universe... a wormhole is like the universe's tunnel or subway ride to get from point a to point b in record magnetic time.

factors for faster than light travel: space-time, matter, gravity, magnetism, sub-atomic particles/antimatter, etc

things to check out to get a idea of the possibility of futuristic space travel:

string theory
m-theory
Einstein's theory of relativity aka E=MC2
Einstein-Rossen bridge aka Wormhole (two blackhole jointed to create a super gravity tunnel, shortcut aka FTL travel aka Hyperspace)
Einstein's theory of Space-Time, Matter+Gravity
hesseinberg's particle uncertainy theory
lightspeed/speed of light
Anti-matter
Stephen Hawkins
Nova/PBS
Discovery Science Channel
History Channel
School science books
observation of modern day aviation
observation of modern day railways/subways (think of a subway tunnel as being hyperspace, and the tracks being the gravitational acceleration/relay to carry that train from one area to another... think of the train as to being a starship, on wheels.)

if you want a idea of how energy force/kinetic fields work just imagine how the o-zone layer works/or the earth's magnetic field... magnetism = wondrous.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 23 octobre 2010 - 11:15 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Pepper4 wrote...

You are obviously hyped after your last physics lesson.
It is science fiction.

just as leonardo thought flying in the skies like a bird was Sci Fi... what are this science fiction things called airplanes?

cell phones were sci fi star trek stuff, and now you got bluetooth **** all over the place... sci fi is ridiculous. i wonder if they actually base sci fi off of actual concepts?

did you know some car companies promote their concept cars within sci fi movies?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

pf17456 wrote...

The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by physicists. The element, tentatively named Administratum, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0.

However it does have:


1 neutron
125 assistant neutrons
75 vice-neutrons
111 assistant vice-neutrons

This gives it an atomic mass of 312. The 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.
Since it has no electrons, Administratum is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every action with which it comes in contact. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratum causes one reaction to take four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second.

Administratum has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons, and assistant vice-neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization. Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratum occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations, and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed, and best maintained buildings.

Scientists point out that Administratum is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how. Administratum can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.

a neutron has no charge... it's likely proton.
a neutron is basically a stale battery... how am i supposed to get massive amounts of energy for mass effect core power-ups? there are protons on the other hand... and electrons... they literally make electricity aka energy.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 23 octobre 2010 - 11:20 .

[HHS_spartan]

Well according to the mass effect wiki:



Element Zero (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a substance that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field, raising or lowering the mass of all objects within that field. A positive current increases mass, a negative current decreases it.

[WuWeiWu]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

WuWeiWu wrote...

Mass Relays: Bending the fabric of space until two distant points aren't so distant.

it's caled a einstein rossen bridge... it literally punches a hole in space time thus entering other branes of dimensions (entering a state of pure universal energy)... 

let's call our human reality, relativity... it's what our human senses perceive as immediate reality... the universe's overall reality is beyond that... that's like how we can only see light on the EM spectrum, yet can't see xrays/gamma rays... it's beyond our human senses to perceive those invisible powerful spectrums as reality... we can't even hear sub-sonic sounds of the EM spectrum, yet we're human... we "know" reality better than reality itself.

but by entering a wormhole/einstein-rossen bridge, you're reaching even more exotic nature of the super-complexed universe... a wormhole is like the universe's tunnel or subway ride to get from point a to point b in record magnetic time.

factors for faster than light travel: space-time, matter, gravity, magnetism, sub-atomic particles/antimatter, etc

things to check out to get a idea of the possibility of futuristic space travel:

string theory
m-theory
Einstein's theory of relativity aka E=MC2
Einstein-Rossen bridge aka Wormhole (two blackhole jointed to create a super gravity tunnel, shortcut aka FTL travel aka Hyperspace)
Einstein's theory of Space-Time, Matter+Gravity
hesseinberg's particle uncertainy theory
lightspeed/speed of light
Anti-matter
Stephen Hawkins
Nova/PBS
Discovery Science Channel
History Channel
School science books
observation of modern day aviation
observation of modern day railways/subways (think of a subway tunnel as being hyperspace, and the tracks being the gravitational acceleration/relay to carry that train from one area to another... think of the train as to being a starship, on wheels.)

if you want a idea of how energy force/kinetic fields work just imagine how the o-zone layer works/or the earth's magnetic field... magnetism = wondrous.

I know what a... nevermind.

And no, what I was referring to was not an Einstein-Rossen bridge in a the sense of 'punching a hole through the brane of our reality' - that would involve M-Theory (or one of the other 'brane' theories). Using Einsteins concept of space-time, one could literally increase the mass of an object to the point where it affects the fabric of space-time far beyond that of, say, a planet, making two distant points... not so distant. Now, what, in the ME universe, can increase mass in such a manner?

That idea of 'bending' space-time is currently one of the only potentially viable options for inter-galactic, and even inter-system, space travel. It would involve a ship with the ability to create such a field and the ability to project such a field. Like a drive core! Or a Mass Relay.

[Praetor Knight]

pf17456 wrote...

The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by physicists. The element, tentatively named Administratum, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0.

However it does have:


1 neutron
125 assistant neutrons
75 vice-neutrons
111 assistant vice-neutrons

This gives it an atomic mass of 312. The 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.
Since it has no electrons, Administratum is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every action with which it comes in contact. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratum causes one reaction to take four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second.

Administratum has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons, and assistant vice-neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization. Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratum occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations, and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed, and best maintained buildings.

Scientists point out that Administratum is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how. Administratum can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.

Funny, but you should site the source of this comedic breakdown, nonetheless I agree that bureaucracy can be a huge pain.

 http://paws.ketterin...umor/admin.html

[Praetor Knight]

Phaedon wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...
Nevertheless, the potentially high mass of a neutronium compound could then form a singularity that pulls other matter into its gravity well due to a higher mass and gravitation, or high density, which is also were dark energy and dark matter intertacts with matter, but those two forms are currently not yet fully measurable or fully explained and / or understandable, since they are currently on the fringe of our scientific understanding.

Since you seem to know your stuff, do you have any suggestions on how dark energy changes the mass of an object ?

From what I have read, the theory of dark fluid is more appropriate to use then the theory of dark energy since it better accounts for how space can be compressed and stretched in the presence of matter, where gravity is a symptom of the interactions between the two.

So eezo allows for the manipulation of space-time relative to matter, which is observed as an increase (dark matter theory) or decrease (dark energy theory) of mass on an object.

Also, this seems to be a good description of Dark Fluid theory:

Dark Fluid currently provide[s] a general and powerful model for altering the dynamics of the space-time manifold. In this theory, space would flow, coagulate, compress, or expand just like any other fluid. The idea is that when space is in the presence of matter, it slows down and coagulates around it, this attracts more space to coagulate around it, thus amplifying the force of gravity near it; this is similar to theories of gravitational back-reaction. This effect is always present but only becomes noticeable in the presence of a really large mass, like a galaxy. If this effect sounds very much like a description of Dark Matter, then that's not a coincidence as a special case of the equations of Dark Fluid reproduces Dark Matter. However, Dark Fluid isn't saying that actual particles of Dark Matter exist, but that this is just an illusionary effect of space bunching up on itself.

On the other extreme, in places where there is relatively little matter, like in the voids between galactic superclusters, Dark Fluid predicts that space relaxes, and starts stretching away from itself. Thus Dark Fluid becomes a repulsive force, which is the same effect as Dark Energy.

Dark Fluid goes beyond Dark Matter and Dark Energy, because it predicts a continuous range of attractive and repulsive qualities, under various matter density cases. Indeed, Dark Fluid reproduces various other gravitational theories as special cases within it, e.g. inflation, quintessence, k-essence, f®, Generalized Einstein-Aether f(K), MOND, TeVeS, BSTV, etc. It also suggests new models such as a certain f(K+R) model, which suggests intriguing corrections to MOND depending on redshift and density.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fluid

It seems that modern science still is like the blind men describing an elephant, where's Einstein when you need him    http://en.wikipedia....and_an_elephant

[Lumikki]

One thing you should consider when looking theories. Is that in ME series the materials are mined, meaning it exist in natural enviroment. To have something different than earth materials, you would need totally different kind of enviroment for planet.

Most "earth" kind stable enviroment materials are allready know: Periodic Table and most higher materials are pretty much syntetics, while some aren't even stable, pure temporary materials. How many atoms some pure magical material has in ME serie, who cares. It doesn't make any sense anyway.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 octobre 2010 - 06:32 .

[WuWeiWu]

Praetor, I'm trying to figure out if Dark Fluid could account for the almost imperceptible, yet uniform, force resisting the progress of any object traveling outwards from Sol. Thoughts?





For some reason, I can't find a relevant article detailing the force I describe. Hopefully you know of what I speak

[FuturePasTimeCE]

WuWeiWu wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

WuWeiWu wrote...

Mass Relays: Bending the fabric of space until two distant points aren't so distant.

it's caled a einstein rossen bridge... it literally punches a hole in space time thus entering other branes of dimensions (entering a state of pure universal energy)... 

let's call our human reality, relativity... it's what our human senses perceive as immediate reality... the universe's overall reality is beyond that... that's like how we can only see light on the EM spectrum, yet can't see xrays/gamma rays... it's beyond our human senses to perceive those invisible powerful spectrums as reality... we can't even hear sub-sonic sounds of the EM spectrum, yet we're human... we "know" reality better than reality itself.

but by entering a wormhole/einstein-rossen bridge, you're reaching even more exotic nature of the super-complexed universe... a wormhole is like the universe's tunnel or subway ride to get from point a to point b in record magnetic time.

factors for faster than light travel: space-time, matter, gravity, magnetism, sub-atomic particles/antimatter, etc

things to check out to get a idea of the possibility of futuristic space travel:

string theory
m-theory
Einstein's theory of relativity aka E=MC2
Einstein-Rossen bridge aka Wormhole (two blackhole jointed to create a super gravity tunnel, shortcut aka FTL travel aka Hyperspace)
Einstein's theory of Space-Time, Matter+Gravity
hesseinberg's particle uncertainy theory
lightspeed/speed of light
Anti-matter
Stephen Hawkins
Nova/PBS
Discovery Science Channel
History Channel
School science books
observation of modern day aviation
observation of modern day railways/subways (think of a subway tunnel as being hyperspace, and the tracks being the gravitational acceleration/relay to carry that train from one area to another... think of the train as to being a starship, on wheels.)

if you want a idea of how energy force/kinetic fields work just imagine how the o-zone layer works/or the earth's magnetic field... magnetism = wondrous.

I know what a... nevermind.

And no, what I was referring to was not an Einstein-Rossen bridge in a the sense of 'punching a hole through the brane of our reality' - that would involve M-Theory (or one of the other 'brane' theories). Using Einsteins concept of space-time, one could literally increase the mass of an object to the point where it affects the fabric of space-time far beyond that of, say, a planet, making two distant points... not so distant. Now, what, in the ME universe, can increase mass in such a manner?

That idea of 'bending' space-time is currently one of the only potentially viable options for inter-galactic, and even inter-system, space travel. It would involve a ship with the ability to create such a field and the ability to project such a field. Like a drive core! Or a Mass Relay.

ME is a spinoff of Star Wars meets Star Trek meets Contact and Star Gate... i think they're just making the game out as a entertainment output, vs. technical theoretical science... M-Brane theory sounds like the basis of Quantum Hyperspace, but the Einstein-Rossen bridge theory still falls within Relativity (basic physics)...

Basic Science (Relativity/E=MC2), Physics (String Theory), Quantum Physics (M-Theory)... 

i think a mass relay is like a advanced version of a hadron collider but more in a form of a (sub-atomic shaped) gyroscope, creating anti-matter... smashing atoms together to fuse the quarks and stuff...  the idea of forcing atoms together to create energy should be similar as to having two electrical wires of opposite polarity meeting one another for spark ((negative wire meets positive wire = energy... think of a atom as the same way... but they need a perfect element of the right amount of atoms minus the mass to easily convert it into sub-atomic energy... like something really easy to break down... it's like wanting some as light as helium's density, yet as powerful as uranium (dense element) minus the radiation." A element full of neutrons likely wouldn't provide such a ideal source of atomic energy materials. the idea of element zero is that it's like a element that is the easiest elements of all to convert into anti-matter/atomic "spark", by breaking it down into it's sub-atomic form, via sub-atomic force.))

most presentations of hyperspace (like hyper gateways point to the idea of Membrane formation/in between two fields of energy while in acceleration, or Einstein-Rossen bridge/the idea of being inside of a cosmic tunnel)

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:03 .

[WuWeiWu]

And, the simplest option, literally bending two points of space-time to reduce the distance between or entirely eliminate the distance between two points.