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[Aggie Punbot]

I agree with Eudaemonium. When he's in the templars, Carver is less of a braggart (likely because he remembers that he may be forced to abuse mages that are just like his siblings). When in the Wardens, however, he is utterly convinced that he is doing something that is benefiting everyone (and not just the Chantry) so he is really chuffed about being a part of 'saving the world.'

ETA: Top of the page again, eh? Credit goes to poetess on deviantart.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 23 octobre 2011 - 01:18 .

[Eudaemonium]

Ooo, Carver with Hayder's Razor. Ah, those were the days. Now I always give him The Dogs of War from Item Pack #2. It just seems like it fits him. Very nice picture, though.

I have firmly decided, my next playthrough will be Friend!Carver, no matter how many anti-mage decisions I have to make in Act 1.

[Arquen]

Legacy is a good way to build some friendship with Carver too, I think. I was able to friend him on one PT, and I loved his friend scene at the Gallows in the end.

LOL, I give him the Empress' Point or Vigilance nowadays. Though yeah.. somehow he did always end up with Hayder's Razor at first somehow. Hmm...

[Tyrium]

I am trying very hard to friendship Carver without compromising my mage revolutionary Hawke... I've looked at the wiki and every other guide, and I should be able to get him to friendship 50, I'm hoping that's enough to trigger friendship dialogue :S

[Aggie Punbot]

Friend 50 should do it.

[Sialater]

As a Warden, he's a man with a cause. He's got a very important mission and he takes it very seriously.

As a Templar, it comes across as he's just got a job to do, a distasteful, yet necessary job.

[Aggie Punbot]

Carver certainly doesn't seem to think much of some of his compatriots in the Templar order, that's for darned sure.

Also, the idea of a Carver/Alistair bromance makes me grin.

[Sialater]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Carver certainly doesn't seem to think much of some of his compatriots in the Templar order, that's for darned sure.

Also, the idea of a Carver/Alistair bromance makes me grin.

This.  Probably one of the things I'm looking most forward to writing.  LOL

[Xilizhra]

When I redo my mage at some point... well, I'm tempted to try for friendship, but I have a tendency to side with Janeka in Legacy, so I'm not sure if I'll get there, because I refuse to take part in a lot of actions that'd gain friendship in Act 1.

[leggywillow]

Meh, I'll never try to friend Carver.  Rivalry with him is waaaay too much fun.  The siblings who love and protect each other but also can't spend 20 minutes together without starting a childish brawl (verbal or otherwise)... it's a dynamic I will never get tired of, especially since it's usually so hard to convey properly in videogames.

[Sialater]

leggywillow wrote...

Meh, I'll never try to friend Carver.  Rivalry with him is waaaay too much fun.  The siblings who love and protect each other but also can't spend 20 minutes together without starting a childish brawl (verbal or otherwise)... it's a dynamic I will never get tired of, especially since it's usually so hard to convey properly in videogames.

This.  I love the bratty brother thing.

[Lisa_H]

Arquen wrote...

Legacy is a good way to build some friendship with Carver too, I think. I was able to friend him on one PT, and I loved his friend scene at the Gallows in the end.
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Is there different dialogue at the end if you have friendship with Carver? I have just managed to finish act 1 with his approval slightly closer to friendship than rivalry. It will be nice to see what changes.

[Knight of Dane]

Lisa_H wrote...

Arquen wrote...

Legacy is a good way to build some friendship with Carver too, I think. I was able to friend him on one PT, and I loved his friend scene at the Gallows in the end.
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Is there different dialogue at the end if you have friendship with Carver? I have just managed to finish act 1 with his approval slightly closer to friendship than rivalry. It will be nice to see what changes.

No, i just finished a playthrough where i had him at full friendship, no change whatsoever. I used sarcastic dialogue lines, but meeting him with Nathaniel in the Deep Roads changes.

[jlb524]

Speaking of which, does any of Carver's dialog change if you get him to full Rival instead of 75% Rival or whatever?

I've never been able to max his Rival bar as I gain about equal amounts of Friendship/Rival points in Act 1.

I'm guessing 'no' as it seems that only the non-sibling companions get an extra convo once hitting full Friendship or Rivalry.  In that case, I won't bother trying to max it out next time.

leggywillow wrote...

Meh, I'll never try to friend Carver.  Rivalry with him is waaaay too much fun.  The siblings who love and protect each other but also can't spend 20 minutes together without starting a childish brawl (verbal or otherwise)... it's a dynamic I will never get tired of, especially since it's usually so hard to convey properly in videogames.

Agreed.

[Knight of Dane]

No, nothing changes just because it maxes, as long as the rivalry icon just glows, he's getting rival dialogue.


I thought befriending him was a pin in the ass to begin with, but when i played the two latest DLC and met him in the Deep Roads with Nathaniel it was soooo worth it, he was so happy and really showed another kind of caring for Hawke than i had seen ever befor ein any of the mage playthroughs where i just rivaled him because it was easy.

[Chignon]

Lisa_H wrote...

Arquen wrote...

Legacy is a good way to build some friendship with Carver too, I think. I was able to friend him on one PT, and I loved his friend scene at the Gallows in the end..

Is there different dialogue at the end if you have friendship with Carver? I have just managed to finish act 1 with his approval slightly closer to friendship than rivalry. It will be nice to see what changes.

Full friendship gets you different dialogues during Finding Nathaniel, Legacy and, I think, MotA.

[jlb524]

Knight of Dane wrote...
I thought befriending him was a pin in the ass to begin with, but when i played the two latest DLC and met him in the Deep Roads with Nathaniel it was soooo worth it, he was so happy and really showed another kind of caring for Hawke than i had seen ever befor ein any of the mage playthroughs where i just rivaled him because it was easy.

How do you RP the change in Hawke/Carver's relationship, considering it must have been antagonistic while they lived in Lothering?

[Chignon]

jlb524 wrote...

How do you RP the change in Hawke/Carver's relationship, considering it must have been antagonistic while they lived in Lothering?

I thought I'd answer this too since I friended Carver as well. It doesn't require a lot of RPing, actually. I think the relationship is mostly antagonistic from Carver's side, not Hawke's (and when I'm saying that, I mean my Hawke. I'm not  trying to speak for anyone else). The change in the relationship can be marked by Carver realising that there's no need to feel threatened or overshadowed by Hawke and growing into his own man, be it in the Wardens or Templars.

[Knight of Dane]

jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
I thought befriending him was a pin in the ass to begin with, but when i played the two latest DLC and met him in the Deep Roads with Nathaniel it was soooo worth it, he was so happy and really showed another kind of caring for Hawke than i had seen ever befor ein any of the mage playthroughs where i just rivaled him because it was easy.

How do you RP the change in Hawke/Carver's relationship, considering it must have been antagonistic while they lived in Lothering?

My mage Hawke was very suspicius towards demons and other mages in hiding as she recognized that a untrained mage is dangerous. She sent Feynriel to the circle because she didn't know more about the Dalish other than how hostile they were from her brief encounter on Sundermount, and she knew next to nothing about how they trained mages. Her father was from the circle and she just recognized that they might at least be able to train him proper.
With grace she clearly saw them as a threat, you don't walk into a pit filled with undead where the mages are bent to their knees around the man making the summonings, and allow them to just walk out of there - she thought. She didn't like Kerass, but she trusted that Thrask would see to their well being.

Eventually Carver just turned to care as he realized him and his sister had very similar views, Carver never thought of mages as lesser creatures but recognizes their danger, he saw his sister did too and a friendship flourished. When she also went out of her way to help him establish himself it was just sealed, pure love, if a little late.

[Zjarcal]

jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
I thought befriending him was a pin in the ass to begin with, but when i played the two latest DLC and met him in the Deep Roads with Nathaniel it was soooo worth it, he was so happy and really showed another kind of caring for Hawke than i had seen ever befor ein any of the mage playthroughs where i just rivaled him because it was easy.

How do you RP the change in Hawke/Carver's relationship, considering it must have been antagonistic while they lived in Lothering?

While I've never done the friend path, if I did I would simply assume the relationship wasn't as antagonistic as the game implies in the first place. We know the things Carver responds to with a positive attitude and we know that his demeanor towards Hawke can change (albeit not that much) if Hawke's actions please him, so it's not hard to imagine (for me at least) that if Hawke displayed those ideals during their time in Lothering, their relationship wouldn't be so antagonistic from the start. Hell, I can perfectly see a scenario where it's the opposite of what the game suggests, where Bethany is the rival and Carver the friend. Kind of makes me wish the game gave us a brief section in Lothering where we could at least establish that.

Obviously the biggest impasse for this would be the fact that with Carver you're a mage, which means that no matter what Hawke does, Carver will always be somewhat resentful towards Hawke. It'd be much easier to imagine a friendly relationship if you were a warrior or rogue, but I can still see it happening with a mage nonetheless (since it can already happen in the game anyway).

At any rate, I do prefer the rival path with him (I max his rival bar real early in act 1, it's not hard at all). I love the constant bickering between siblings who obviously care for each other, but nonetheless can't go five mintues without fighting. And it's really satisfying to watch him grow up and recognize what an ass he was being when he returns as a Warden in Act 3. I may have teared up a bit during that scene... 

[Aggie Punbot]

leggywillow wrote...

Meh, I'll never try to friend Carver.  Rivalry with him is waaaay too much fun.  The siblings who love and protect each other but also can't spend 20 minutes together without starting a childish brawl (verbal or otherwise)... it's a dynamic I will never get tired of, especially since it's usually so hard to convey properly in videogames.

After having just gone through Legacy for the first time with a rivaled Carver, I have to agree.

Hawke: Why can't there be spit mages, or...I don't know, a lock of hair?
Carver: You worry me sometimes, you know that?
Hawke: Oh, shut up.
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Carver: That Larius - that's what people become if they're corrupted? I mean, they showed us ghouls before Ostagar, but never live. Never talking. That's never happening to me.
Hawke: I'll check under your bed when we get home.
Carver: You do that. Get the laundry while you're at it.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:58 .

[blaidfiste]

Here's Carver's Deep Roads friendship dialogue


On a side note, here's Carver failing at sarcastic banter

[Aggie Punbot]

If anyone is interested, here are a couple of clips with Carver if you do Legacy before the end of Act I.

Malcolm's Will
Epilogue with Leandra

[Drone696]

TS2Aggie wrote...


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Carver: That Larius - that's what people become if they're corrupted? I mean, they showed us ghouls before Ostagar, but never live. Never talking. That's never happening to me.
Hawke: I'll check under your bed when we get home.
Carver: You do that. Get the laundry while you're at it.

sweet!

And nice clips! Haven't seen the dialogue before. Leandra is relly touching and Carver's teh best... (exploding sound) Booom!!!

[Lisa_H]

I might have to try and play legacy in act 1. Problem is that we see so little of Carver in act 2/3 so usually I want to save it for those acts.