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[Vicious]

Custom Hawke gets everyone different hair.

[danteliveson]

Vicious wrote...

Custom Hawke gets everyone different hair.

Is this confirmed??

[Lukas Kristjanson]

danteliveson wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Custom Hawke gets everyone different hair.

Is this confirmed??

Yep. Your family's facial features and hairstyles are based on what preset you use to build your custom Hawke. They won't get your custom nose, but skin tone changes to match. Their hair stays black as it's a good fit across all options. Maybe your Hawke has dad's hair.

[danteliveson]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Custom Hawke gets everyone different hair.

Is this confirmed??

Yep. Your family's facial features and hairstyles are based on what preset you use to build your custom Hawke. They won't get your custom nose, but skin tone changes to match. Their hair stays black as it's a good fit across all options. Maybe your Hawke has dad's hair.

A bald Bethany would be nice. 

[Apollo Starflare]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Yep. Your family's facial features and hairstyles are based on what preset you use to build your custom Hawke. They won't get your custom nose, but skin tone changes to match. Their hair stays black as it's a good fit across all options. Maybe your Hawke has dad's hair.

Still one of my favourite 'little details' of DA2 so far. I remember it being speculated about waaay back and most people presuming it wouldn't happen - then boom it's in! For a game that puts emphasis on family ties I think it's a great idea to stretch the customisation (and thus the 'uniqueness' of each players game) to the family proper.

Looking forward to seeing just how different my siblings look to the default Bethany and Carver.


Oh and while I'm in the Carver thread:

I've always been a Bethany fan, and was initially disgruntled at the way you end up having your sibling picked by your class, however the whole thing has really grown on me by now and I'm loving the fact that after my first playthrough I'm guranteed at least one whole companion to get to know fresh.

A lot seems to be made of the fact Luke wrote Jacob and infamous Jacob romance, however regardless of how someone feels about his romance; Jacob is a great 'buddy' character, A good mixture of camaraderie, rivalry (he and Shep are quite similar in a way), friendship and fun times. When I played through with my FemShep I actually found Jacob was 'like a brother to me' (classic line) and maybe that is part of the problem with his romance (another issue entirely).

However in the case of Carv this never comes into play, he actually is a brother to you, and I can see a character with some similarities to Jacob's qualities  (no idea if he does share any) being a fun addition to the team.

...Plus Luke has written loads of other characters and the whole Jacob comparison thing is overdone and silly, but it's done now!

[HolyJellyfish]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I've always been a Bethany fan, and was initially disgruntled at the way you end up having your sibling picked by your class, however the whole thing has really grown on me by now and I'm loving the fact that after my first playthrough I'm guranteed at least one whole companion to get to know fresh.

A lot seems to be made of the fact Luke wrote Jacob and infamous Jacob romance, however regardless of how someone feels about his romance; Jacob is a great 'buddy' character, A good mixture of camaraderie, rivalry (he and Shep are quite similar in a way), friendship and fun times. When I played through with my FemShep I actually found Jacob was 'like a brother to me' (classic line) and maybe that is part of the problem with his romance (another issue entirely).

However in the case of Carv this never comes into play, he actually is a brother to you, and I can see a character with some similarities to Jacob's qualities  (no idea if he does share any) being a fun addition to the team.

...Plus Luke has written loads of other characters and the whole Jacob comparison thing is overdone and silly, but it's done now!

I liked Jacob. I didn't care to romance him, wasn't my type, but there were plenty of casual gaming ladies who liked him and wouldn't stop bragging to me about his washboard abs. He had one of my favorite loyalty missions. The Heart of Darkness tribute had me giggling like the mad book nerd that I am.

Also, keep in mind, as cheesy as his pickup lines are, everyone... EVERYONE ALWAYS quotes them. They may state an opinion of 'OMG that romance was AWFUL! AHH!' but Jacob's are the MOST repeated lines, short of Harbinger's, I've seen quoted and re-quoted. That, to me, is a sign of good writing.

From what I hear, Aveline's story is one of the strongest in the lineup, and she's being penned by Luke. So far, from what we've seen, I love her. A lot.

Carver has piqued my interest as well, specifically because he is your rival sibling. I like Bethany fine, but I'm interested in an antagonistic sibling relationship. I'm just hoping to see some mourning for Bethany on Carver's part. Losing a twin is one of the most traumatic things to happen to a human being. Period.

[Chignon]

mione wrote...

Anyone know German? Sounds like Carver signed up for the King's army but came running back home hurt?

Interesting. .

I know German. Do you have a source?

jlb524 wrote...

The sparkle pic is pure win. XD

With the siblings, I have this idea that a warrior/rogue Hawke would be closer to Carver while a mage would be closer to Bethany. I would think a warrior/rogue Hawke would have sparred a lot with Carver and this practice would explain where both developed their sword-play (hence, they should have a deeper sibling connection). The Bethany/Mage!Hawke connection is obvious.

It's interesting that the sibling that would probably be the closest to Hawke dies

My first Hawke will be a warrior and she will be much much closer to Carver than Bethany, given that they will have a brotherly/sisterly friendly rivalry thing going on that only drew them closer growing up (and they loved to get into trouble together too XD). The relationship with Bethany won't be as close (though they still love each other as sisters) given that Beth is busy with her studies and is the stuffy mage that Hawke/Carver teased or whatever.

I'm just wondering how others view the Hawke/sibling relationship in regards to Hawke's class?

I just hope that the game allows you to grieve for the fallen sibling later on...to your mother, other sibling, or whomever. Because with my Warrior!Hawke, she lost not only a brother but her best friend.

Thank you for sharing that, jlb! It was really interesting to read your take on the sibling relationship.

[mione]

Chignon wrote...

mione wrote...

Anyone know German? Sounds like Carver signed up for the King's army but came running back home hurt?

Interesting. .

I know German. Do you have a source?

This was posted in another topic so I can't verify the post, but from what I was able to make out it does sound plausible.

Mage!Hawke codex entry from the game [German]

Garrett, der Sohn
von Malcolm Hawke und Leandra Amell, hat bereits an zahlreichen Orten in
ganz Ferelden gelebt. Sein Vater war ein Magier, der seine Gabe sowohl
an Garrett als auch an seine Tochter Bethany weitergegeben hatte. Da
sich Malcolm weigerte, sich dem Gesetz der Kirche zu unterwerfen, helt
er seine Fähigkeiten geheim und lehrte auch seine Kinder, es ihm
gleichzutun. Dennoch musste die Familie immer weider umziehen, um den
Templern zu entkommen. Vor zehn jahren leiß sich die Famillie
schließlich in dem Dorf Lothering neider, errichtete sich an dessen Rand
ein haus und versuchte, ein Leven zu führen, bei dem sie nicht ständig
auf der Flucht wäre. Obwohl Leandra stets besorgt war, die Templer
könnten sie eines Tages aüfspuren, waren sie dank Melcolms Unterweisung
in Sicherheit.
Er stab vor drei Jahren und übertrug somit Garrett die
Verantwortung für das Wohlergehen seiner Mutter und jüngeren
Geschwister. Als die Verderbnis begann, verpflichteten sich Carver
augenblicklich für König Cailans Regiment. Er sagte, die Horde, die sich
aus der Korcari-Wildnis ergoss, ihr Zuhause schon bald überrannt haben,
wenn die Dunkle Brut nicht schnell besiegt wird. Garrett heingegen
blieb in Lothering, um für die Sicherheit der Famillie zu sorgen. Etwa
einen Monat später stand Carver erschöpft und verletzt wieder voe der
Tür. König Cailan war in Ostagar verraten und erschlagen worden, und
die Horde rückte auf Lothering vor. Obwohl Garrett und die anderen
bereits Pläne für ihren Aufbruch gemacht hatten, mussten sie fliehen,
bevor ihre Vorbereitungen abgeschlossen waren... und doch könnte es
bereits zu spät sein.

[leggywillow]

I put that German thing in Babel Fish, and this is what came out.  I think the main idea gets across... although I think "Lothering" became "plumb bob herring", which amuses me to no end.

"Saved, the son
on Malcolm Hawke and Leandra Amell, already at numerous places in
completely Ferelden lived. Its father was a Magier, which had passed its
gift on both on and to its daughter Bethany. Since itself Malcolm
refused submitting to the law of the church he secretly helt its
abilities and taught also its children, it him
to add. The family had to move again and again, in order temp-learns
nevertheless to escape. Before ten years leiß itself the Famillie
finally in the village plumb bob herring envious person, established
itself at its edge a house and tried, a Leven to lead, with which it
would be not constant on the escape. Although Leandra was always
anxious, the Templer could aüfspuren her a daily, was it owing to
Melcolms instruction in security.
It staff before three years and transferred thus those
Responsibility for the well-being issue of its mother and younger
Brothers and sisters.

When the Verderbnis began, Carver committed
themselves presently/immediately for king Cailans regiment. He said,
which ran over horde/hurdle, which poured from the Korcari wilderness,
it at home already soon, if the dark brood is not fast defeated. Saved
heingegen remained in plumb bob herring, in order to provide for the
security of the Famillie. About one month later Carver stood exhausted
and injures again voe of the door. King Cailan had been betrayed and
killed in east agar, and the horde/hurdle advanced on plumb bob herring.
Although had saved and the others plans for their departure had already
made, they had to flee, before their preparations were final… and
nevertheless it could already be to late."


So yeah, it looks like Carver was at Ostagar.

EDIT:  Hahaha, the little village of Plumb Bob Herring... that still makes me giggle.

Modifié par leggywillow, 19 février 2011 - 07:06 .

[The Lesser Evil]

I'm fluent in German, and the German text does indeed say that Carver served King Cailan at Ostagar, and returned to the Hawke family after Cailain was betrayed by Loghain and killed in battle.

The Babelfish translated text is far more hilarious than the German text, I approve.

Edit: Plumb Bob Herring keeps making me giggle too.

Modifié par The Lesser Evil, 19 février 2011 - 07:15 .

[Chignon]

mione wrote...

Er stab vor drei Jahren und übertrug somit Garrett die Verantwortung für das Wohlergehen seiner Mutter und jüngeren Geschwister. Als die Verderbnis begann, verpflichteten sich Carver augenblicklich für König Cailans Regiment. Er sagte, die Horde, die sich aus der Korcari-Wildnis ergoss, ihr Zuhause schon bald überrannt haben, wenn die Dunkle Brut nicht schnell besiegt wird. Garrett heingegen blieb in Lothering, um für die Sicherheit der Famillie zu sorgen. Etwa einen Monat später stand Carver erschöpft und verletzt wieder vor der
Tür. König Cailan war in Ostagar verraten und erschlagen worden, und die Horde rückte auf Lothering vor. Obwohl Garrett und die anderen bereits Pläne für ihren Aufbruch gemacht hatten, mussten sie fliehen,
bevor ihre Vorbereitungen abgeschlossen waren... und doch könnte es bereits zu spät sein.

Thank you for sharing this, mione!

Carver apparently enlisted for Cailan's army when the Blight began. He told Hawke that the darkspawn hordes in the Korcari Wilds would soon overrun their home if they would not be stopped. He left while Hawke stayed in order to protect the rest of the family and to prepare them to leave Lothering.

One month later, Carver - exhausted and hurt - returned home and told Hawke about the betrayal and defeat of King Cailan's army and about the advancing darkspawn horde. The family decided to leave Lothering even though their preparations weren't finished.

[ThatDancingTurian]

mione wrote...

Anyone know German? Sounds like Carver signed up for the King's army but came running back home hurt?

Interesting. .

Oh man, this would SO explain the chip on his shoulder. Is he the family 'failure'? At least, perhaps in his own mind. Iiiiiinteresting.

PS: Papa Hawke's name is Malcolm? Love that name.

[WhisperingCity]

Thank you, mione! It was very interesting, and extra fun to read Babel Fish's take on it XD I love how the games are tying together. Now whenever I play DAO and go through Ostagar, I'll know Hawke's little bro is there too. And probably in the king's camp that the guard won't let me access. I hope we get to talk to him about it a bit, or that he at least brings it up a couple of times. If it IS the reason for the chip on his shoulder, I'd definitely like to talk to him about it. Although I imagine if you can, it's a conversation that could possibly net you some serious rivalry points.

[Amagoi]

WhisperingCity wrote...

Thank you, mione! It was very interesting, and extra fun to read Babel Fish's take on it XD I love how the games are tying together. Now whenever I play DAO and go through Ostagar, I'll know Hawke's little bro is there too. And probably in the king's camp that the guard won't let me access. I hope we get to talk to him about it a bit, or that he at least brings it up a couple of times. If it IS the reason for the chip on his shoulder, I'd definitely like to talk to him about it. Although I imagine if you can, it's a conversation that could possibly net you some serious rivalry points.

Being betrayed by a noble and seeing almost all of my comrades dying at darkspawn hands would put a pretty big chip on my shoulder too.  I really hope we can talk to him too about Ostagar. I love how that ties in. I always wish we could have gone into the army's camp! It had all the interesting people; Carver, Fergus Cousland's troops, like 98% of the Grey Wardens...

That's interesting too how early on before DA2, Hawke is already pretty much the protector of the family with their dad gone.

Thanks Mione and Chignon! <3 This makes Carver even more awesome.

Modifié par Amagoi, 19 février 2011 - 07:45 .

[mione]

Thanks for the translation guys.



You should thank _Dana_ for the information since they were the one who originally posted the info.



This new info about Carver is interesting and I hope it's mention in the main game.

[KawaiiKatie]

You know, if Carver was at Ostagar, the "Carver becomes a Grey Warden" theory might just have a little weight...!

EDIT: You know, later on in the DA2 story. I don't think he became a Grey Warden at Ostagar, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was inspired by their order.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 19 février 2011 - 07:55 .

[leggywillow]

WhisperingCity wrote...

Now whenever I play DAO and go through Ostagar, I'll know Hawke's little bro is there too. And probably in the king's camp that the guard won't let me access. I hope we get to talk to him about it a bit, or that he at least brings it up a couple of times.

"I was lucky to escape Ostagar with my life!"
"The darkspawn?"
"No, this mad Grey Warden running about!  He pickpocketed everyone in camp and then started stabbing prisoners and animals for the lulz!"

[KawaiiKatie]

leggywillow wrote...

WhisperingCity wrote...

Now whenever I play DAO and go through Ostagar, I'll know Hawke's little bro is there too. And probably in the king's camp that the guard won't let me access. I hope we get to talk to him about it a bit, or that he at least brings it up a couple of times.

"I was lucky to escape Ostagar with my life!"
"The darkspawn?"
"No, this mad Grey Warden running about!  He pickpocketed everyone in camp and then started stabbing prisoners and animals for the lulz!"

"Wow, he sounds like a complete tool. I'm kind of glad that he died with the rest of his order."
"I know, right? Can you imagine if that guy survived, and tried to defeat the Blight by himself? All of Ferelden, dependent on that complete jerk!"
"How fortunate that we don't live in such a world!"

[ThatDancingTurian]

leggywillow wrote...

WhisperingCity wrote...

Now whenever I play DAO and go through Ostagar, I'll know Hawke's little bro is there too. And probably in the king's camp that the guard won't let me access. I hope we get to talk to him about it a bit, or that he at least brings it up a couple of times.

"I was lucky to escape Ostagar with my life!"
"The darkspawn?"
"No, this mad Grey Warden running about!  He pickpocketed everyone in camp and then started stabbing prisoners and animals for the lulz!"

lol!

Carver: It's not really my fault I got injured. Some nobleman confiscated my sword, he mumbled something about an incompetent elf and needing a new weapon.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

You know, if Carver was at Ostagar, the "Carver becomes a Grey Warden" theory might just have a little weight...!

EDIT: You know, later on in the DA2 story. I don't think he became a Grey Warden at Ostagar, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was inspired by their order.

Great point!  We know DA2 spans ten years, right?  It starts at Lothering.  I've head unattributed claims that DAO spans a year and Witch Hunt takes place a year after DAO.  Witch Hunt occurs during the the "latest" date in timeline so far.

So, there's like eight years between when DAA and when DA2 ends.  Meaning there's a chunk of time for Carver to have gone down to Warden's Keep or Amaranthine and glugged some blood.  Anders... Isabela... or just common gossip could have put the idea into his head. 

Thousand ways Carver could become a Warden!

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

leggywillow wrote...

WhisperingCity wrote...

Now whenever I play DAO and go through Ostagar, I'll know Hawke's little bro is there too. And probably in the king's camp that the guard won't let me access. I hope we get to talk to him about it a bit, or that he at least brings it up a couple of times.

"I was lucky to escape Ostagar with my life!"
"The darkspawn?"
"No, this mad Grey Warden running about!  He pickpocketed everyone in camp and then started stabbing prisoners and animals for the lulz!"

Haha!  I would laugh my ass off if Carver made some kind of mention of what your Warden did at Ostagar.  I would love that.

[KnightOfTwo]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

You know, if Carver was at Ostagar, the "Carver becomes a Grey Warden" theory might just have a little weight...!

EDIT: You know, later on in the DA2 story. I don't think he became a Grey Warden at Ostagar, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was inspired by their order.

Great point!  We know DA2 spans ten years, right?  It starts at Lothering.  I've head unattributed claims that DAO spans a year and Witch Hunt takes place a year after DAO.  Witch Hunt occurs during the the "latest" date in timeline so far.

So, there's like eight years between when DAA and when DA2 ends.  Meaning there's a chunk of time for Carver to have gone down to Warden's Keep or Amaranthine and glugged some blood.  Anders... Isabela... or just common gossip could have put the idea into his head. 

Thousand ways Carver could become a Warden!

Or it could be in the way of Anders mocking Oghren in Awakening.

He made a drunken bet.

Modifié par KnightOfTwo, 19 février 2011 - 08:16 .

[WhisperingCity]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
lol!

Carver: It's not really my fault I got injured. Some nobleman confiscated my sword, he mumbled something about an incompetent elf and needing a new weapon.

Ah, Ser Garlen! Be a man and do battle with your cutlery like the codex says, and stop taking my little brother's stuff. Plus, my warden behaved herself very well at Ostagar. She barely pickpocketed anyone at all! My first warden, anyway.

As for the warden armor, I'm wondering if that is Varric exaggerating again. Maybe that's Carver's version of Bethany's boobs in the opening cutscene? But who knows. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Carver becoming a warden. Sure it's a necessary task, legendary order, noble calling yada yada, but they only live 30 years give or take. Then go to die in the Deep Roads battling darkspawn, and I'm not sure that's the life I'd want for my whoa, I've become Mama Hawke.

Really though, we've seen the wardens, and it was good. I'm just ready for a little something different this time. If Carver goes on to become one and make a name for himself at the end, ok, but I don't know if I'd want to drag wardens into the main event again. All the speculation has gotten me excited for qunari and mage/templar conflicts.

Edit for atrocious grammar.

Modifié par WhisperingCity, 19 février 2011 - 08:26 .

[Chignon]

Apparently, after you meet Aveline and her husband Wesley in the demo, you can ask Aveline how they survived the darkspawn attack. This will prompt Carver to mention Ostagar and he will remind Hawke that s/he hasn't seen what happened there. Aveline will recognise Carver from Ostagar and she mentions him serving in the third company under Varel.

[The Lesser Evil]

Carver is more integrated into Dragon Age lore than most DA2 characters could ever dream of. Fact.