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[Amagoi]

Chignon wrote...

The Lesser Evil wrote...

Carver was my Mage!Hawke's motivation for siding against the Mages with the Templars on my second Mage run. Hawke was already questioning the measures Mages were going to in order to escape/fight the Templars, but when Grace (who Hawke had gone out of his way for to help) kidnapped Carver and threatened to kill him? Yeah, that pushed Hawke over the edge.

It didn't help that Carver had joined the Templars himself. Carver was the only real family Hawke had left after both his sister and mother died. He would sooner see the streets of Kirkwall run red with blood than side with a group that has done nothing but confirm every bit of fear and suspicion about them.

Great minds and all that. 
 
This is what I'll be doing for my Templar!Carver playthrough.

That's pretty much the exact reason I did for choosing with the Templars. Then again, throughout the game the mages really do a very bad job of making themselves seem like the harmless persuceted masses. So that's a big part of it, and Carver definatly shaped my opinion more.

My Hawke was toying with the idea of throwing in with the mages, even though after Leandra died he developed a near-templar hatred of all things bloog magic. Then Grace had to kidnap Carver and in a matter of seconds Hawke went from empathy to "FUUUUU-" and blowing up half the Wounded Coast to save his brother.

That's just not something you do, Grace. If she spent less time praticing blood magic and more time praticising common sense, she'd avoid getting blasted to death with magic.

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

So, if you side with the mages, and then get to the templar battle, does Carver still stand by you and tell Meredith you have to kill him to kill Hawke?

Yes, I think he says it regardless.

Amagoi wrote...

That's pretty much the exact reason I did for choosing with the Templars. Then again, throughout the game the mages really do a very bad job of making themselves seem like the harmless persuceted masses. So that's a big part of it, and Carver definatly shaped my opinion more.

My Hawke was toying with the idea of throwing in with the mages, even though after Leandra died he developed a near-templar hatred of all things bloog magic. Then Grace had to kidnap Carver and in a matter of seconds Hawke went from empathy to "FUUUUU-" and blowing up half the Wounded Coast to save his brother.

That's just not something you do, Grace. If she spent less time praticing blood magic and more time praticising common sense, she'd avoid getting blasted to death with magic.

Even more so because Hawke helped every single one of them - Thrask, Grace, Alain, Keran. And yet they still decide that kidnapping Hawke's brother is a good idea?

[Vaegrin]

Serious question. I've tried reading through this thread to find the answer, but it's a long thread! Is there any point to trying to max out friendship with Carver? Is it even possible? I've been doing my best to max out friendship in Act 1, but it is slow going!

[Sialater]

So... it's all Carver's fault Margaret spared Anders.

In the last romance dialog, Margaret was still pissed at Anders, so they were still fighting. He said something along the lines of, "There is nothing more important than justice."

Margaret glared at him and snapped, "Love is more important than justice." And she wasn't thinking about him, she was thinking about Carver and how after all this time, she still missed him and thought about him a lot.

But when the time came, she stood over Anders and remembered her own words to him and realized if she killed him, put him down, euthanized him, she'd be a hypocrite. She'd be choosing justice over love like he did.

But then, they had to fight, so kicking his ass would have to wait. And then Carver came back.

[Chignon]

Vaegrin wrote...

Serious question. I've tried reading through this thread to find the answer, but it's a long thread! Is there any point to trying to max out friendship with Carver? Is it even possible? I've been doing my best to max out friendship in Act 1, but it is slow going!

It is possible. Here are some pointers:

- Killing Idunna
- Telling Jethann about Ninette
- Letting lord Harimann live
- Telling Meran you let him live
- In Act I you'll get a letter from the elf smuggler Athenriel if you agreed to work with her when you arrived in Kirkwall, go and see her but turn down her offer for work
- Do his personal quest involving Tobrius's documents
- Let Carver deal with the Fereldans confronting you outside of Lirene's Fereldan Imports
- Convince Feynriel to go to the Circle
- Send Alain to the Circle
- Do not agree to Grace's suggestion to kill Thrask and hand her and the other mages over to Thrask
- Agree to Dougal Gavorn's offer to give you coin for the Deep Roads expedition
- Accepting and completing the quest to rescue Seamus
- Taking him along to the Deep Roads expedition

I hope that helps, Vaegrin.

Edit

Sialater wrote...

So... it's all Carver's fault Margaret spared Anders.

In the last romance dialog, Margaret was still pissed at Anders, so they were still fighting. He said something along the lines of, "There is nothing more important than justice."

Margaret glared at him and snapped, "Love is more important than justice." And she wasn't thinking about him, she was thinking about Carver and how after all this time, she still missed him and thought about him a lot.

But when the time came, she stood over Anders and remembered her own words to him and realized if she killed him, put him down, euthanized him, she'd be a hypocrite. She'd be choosing justice over love like he did.

But then, they had to fight, so kicking his ass would have to wait. And then Carver came back.

That's very bittersweet, Sia.

Modifié par Chignon, 23 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[Vaegrin]

Chignon wrote...

Vaegrin wrote...

Serious question. I've tried reading through this thread to find the answer, but it's a long thread! Is there any point to trying to max out friendship with Carver? Is it even possible? I've been doing my best to max out friendship in Act 1, but it is slow going!

It is possible. Here are some pointers:

- Killing Idunna
- Telling Jethann about Ninette
- Letting lord Harimann live
- Telling Meran you let him live
- In Act I you'll get a letter from the elf smuggler Athenriel if you agreed to work with her when you arrived in Kirkwall, go and see her but turn down her offer for work
- Do his personal quest involving Tobrius's documents
- Let Carver deal with the Fereldans confronting you outside of Lirene's Fereldan Imports
- Convince Feynriel to go to the Circle
- Send Alain to the Circle
- Do not agree to Grace's suggestion to kill Thrask and hand her and the other mages over to Thrask
- Agree to Dougal Gavorn's offer to give you coin for the Deep Roads expedition
- Accepting and completing the quest to rescue Seamus
- Taking him along to the Deep Roads expedition

I hope that helps, Vaegrin.

Thanks! Looks like I'm on the right track, then. Good to know it's not a futile exercise. I was starting to worry that for all my efforts I was just going to wind up having Carver feel ambivalent about me.

Edit: Hey, I happen to be playing right now and just got a bit of friendship with Carver by telling Knight-Captain Cullen you support the templars, in a separate conversation after you've already completed Enemies Among Us. It's only +5, but friendship points are so few and far between with Carver that it's worth noting!

Modifié par Vaegrin, 23 mars 2011 - 07:47 .

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

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Sialater wrote...

So... it's all Carver's fault Margaret spared Anders.

In the last romance dialog, Margaret was still pissed at Anders, so they were still fighting. He said something along the lines of, "There is nothing more important than justice."

Margaret glared at him and snapped, "Love is more important than justice." And she wasn't thinking about him, she was thinking about Carver and how after all this time, she still missed him and thought about him a lot.

But when the time came, she stood over Anders and remembered her own words to him and realized if she killed him, put him down, euthanized him, she'd be a hypocrite. She'd be choosing justice over love like he did.

But then, they had to fight, so kicking his ass would have to wait. And then Carver came back.

That's very bittersweet, Sia.

Thank you.  But yeah, I was very surprised at how many of her decisions was because of her brother.  Having never had a game brother, it's very curious to me.

[leggywillow]

Sialater wrote...
But yeah, I was very surprised at how many of her decisions was because of her brother.  Having never had a game brother, it's very curious to me.

I think a lot of my Hawke's decisions were based on keeping her sibling safe.  That's her berserk button.  No matter which dominant personality I was going for, every time the sibling was threatened I went for the aggressive response.

In Carver's case, it was hilarious because as soon as she would save or help him, they would immediately begin viciously arguing again.  The Deep Roads was my favorite meeting, just because Nathaniel is so confused by their fierce bickering in the middle of the BLOODY DEEP ROADS.

EDIT:  Hawke's feelings about her brother are like this:

Hawke: Carver is a pain and I really want to bash him over the head with something.
Other Person: Yeah, screw Carver!
Hawke: DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT MY BROTHER; I WILL KILL YOU!

Modifié par leggywillow, 23 mars 2011 - 08:54 .

[Sialater]

leggywillow wrote...

Sialater wrote...
But yeah, I was very surprised at how many of her decisions was because of her brother.  Having never had a game brother, it's very curious to me.

I think a lot of my Hawke's decisions were based on keeping her sibling safe.  That's her berserk button.  No matter which dominant personality I was going for, every time the sibling was threatened I went for the aggressive response.

In Carver's case, it was hilarious because as soon as she would save or help him, they would immediately begin viciously arguing again.  The Deep Roads was my favorite meeting, just because Nathaniel is so confused by their fierce bickering in the middle of the BLOODY DEEP ROADS.

EDIT:  Hawke's feelings about her brother are like this:

Hawke: Carver is a pain and I really want to bash him over the head with something.
Other Person: Yeah, screw Carver!
Hawke: DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT MY BROTHER; I WILL KILL YOU!

That's so Margaret's attitude with Carver. 

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

Thank you.  But yeah, I was very surprised at how many of her decisions was because of her brother.  Having never had a game brother, it's very curious to me.

You're welcome, Sia.

I felt the same. After what happened to Bethany, a lot of my Hawke's decisions were based on how to keep her brother safe. Which is a bit ironic, I guess, considering he is the warrior who's towering over her by a head.

Edit

leggywillow wrote...

EDIT:  Hawke's feelings about her brother are like this:

Hawke: Carver is a pain and I really want to bash him over the head with something.
Other Person: Yeah, screw Carver!
Hawke: DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT MY BROTHER; I WILL KILL YOU!

It's a bit like Aveline and Isabela - if anyone's going to kick Carver's ass, it's Hawke.

Modifié par Chignon, 23 mars 2011 - 09:01 .

[Dene1963]

Vaegrin wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Vaegrin wrote...

Serious question. I've tried reading through this thread to find the answer, but it's a long thread! Is there any point to trying to max out friendship with Carver? Is it even possible? I've been doing my best to max out friendship in Act 1, but it is slow going!

It is possible. Here are some pointers:

- Killing Idunna
- Telling Jethann about Ninette
- Letting lord Harimann live
- Telling Meran you let him live
- In Act I you'll get a letter from the elf smuggler Athenriel if you agreed to work with her when you arrived in Kirkwall, go and see her but turn down her offer for work
- Do his personal quest involving Tobrius's documents
- Let Carver deal with the Fereldans confronting you outside of Lirene's Fereldan Imports
- Convince Feynriel to go to the Circle
- Send Alain to the Circle
- Do not agree to Grace's suggestion to kill Thrask and hand her and the other mages over to Thrask
- Agree to Dougal Gavorn's offer to give you coin for the Deep Roads expedition
- Accepting and completing the quest to rescue Seamus
- Taking him along to the Deep Roads expedition

I hope that helps, Vaegrin.

Thanks! Looks like I'm on the right track, then. Good to know it's not a futile exercise. I was starting to worry that for all my efforts I was just going to wind up having Carver feel ambivalent about me.

Edit: Hey, I happen to be playing right now and just got a bit of friendship with Carver by telling Knight-Captain Cullen you support the templars, in a separate conversation after you've already completed Enemies Among Us. It's only +5, but friendship points are so few and far between with Carver that it's worth noting!

I should point out that maxing Carver's friendship is simply one of those "can I do it" type of things. It doesn't change the story line.

[Chignon]

Dene1963 wrote...

I should point out that maxing Carver's friendship is simply one of those "can I do it" type of things. It doesn't change the story line.

Really? I thought his dialogue changed when you meet him again in the Deep Roads during Nathaniel's quest.

[WhisperingCity]

I didn't gear my first game to trying to befriend him or deepen the rivlary, I just did whatever I thought that Hawke would do. That being said, my first go 'round with Carver was kind of a rollercoaster of emotion Though it was quite interesting. Hawke the First was a snarky male mage who didn't want to save Kirkwall, or attract attention, he just wanted to live his life and enjoy it. Having that in mind made their interactions extra awkward. Carver: "I am sick of being in your shadow!" Hawke: "Well, I'm sick of casting it!" He would've been fine with Carver getting famous and nobody bugging him to battle Qunari ever again. Yay for reluctant heroes. I also didn't have to play for very long before I started to think that Carver would love that picture of him in sunglasses. Hawke the Second is a female mage because I want to explore the Carver Grey Warden ending, since he wound up a templar the first time. I'm going back and forth with a third Hawke who is a rogue, and although I like Bethany fine, I'm partial to Carver's character. It just has a little more...driving it I guess. 

leggywillow wrote...

I think a lot of my Hawke's decisions were based on keeping her sibling safe.  That's her berserk button.  No matter which dominant personality I was going for, every time the sibling was threatened I went for the aggressive response.

In Carver's case, it was hilarious because as soon as she would save or help him, they would immediately begin viciously arguing again.  The Deep Roads was my favorite meeting, just because Nathaniel is so confused by their fierce bickering in the middle of the BLOODY DEEP ROADS.

EDIT:  Hawke's feelings about her brother are like this:

Hawke: Carver is a pain and I really want to bash him over the head with something.
Other Person: Yeah, screw Carver!
Hawke: DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT MY BROTHER; I WILL KILL YOU!

Reading all this kind of stuff makes me start to wish I'd bothered with Awakening. It seems there are several quests in DA2 that stem from having played it, and I'm game for anything that involves extra time with Hawke's family. The way everything worked out was ok, but I wish every member of the family had been able to stick around longer. It was pretty much Act 1 and then the family aspect almost fizzled out. They were certainly a tragic lot.

Edit:

Chignon wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

So, if
you side with the mages, and then get to the templar battle, does Carver
still stand by you and tell Meredith you have to kill him to kill
Hawke?

Yes, I think he says it regardless.

Yes, that's what I did the first time. Meredith backs him down once or twice, but when push comes to shove, he gets in between them.

Modifié par WhisperingCity, 24 mars 2011 - 03:11 .

[Dendens]

So.....any carver fics yet?

I wanna herp the derp

[Sarah1281]

Dendens wrote...

So.....any carver fics yet?

I wanna herp the derp

Well, I wrote one.

[Vaegrin]

Dene1963 wrote...

Vaegrin wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Vaegrin wrote...

Serious question. I've tried reading through this thread to find the answer, but it's a long thread! Is there any point to trying to max out friendship with Carver? Is it even possible? I've been doing my best to max out friendship in Act 1, but it is slow going!

It is possible. Here are some pointers:

- Killing Idunna
- Telling Jethann about Ninette
- Letting lord Harimann live
- Telling Meran you let him live
- In Act I you'll get a letter from the elf smuggler Athenriel if you agreed to work with her when you arrived in Kirkwall, go and see her but turn down her offer for work
- Do his personal quest involving Tobrius's documents
- Let Carver deal with the Fereldans confronting you outside of Lirene's Fereldan Imports
- Convince Feynriel to go to the Circle
- Send Alain to the Circle
- Do not agree to Grace's suggestion to kill Thrask and hand her and the other mages over to Thrask
- Agree to Dougal Gavorn's offer to give you coin for the Deep Roads expedition
- Accepting and completing the quest to rescue Seamus
- Taking him along to the Deep Roads expedition

I hope that helps, Vaegrin.

Thanks! Looks like I'm on the right track, then. Good to know it's not a futile exercise. I was starting to worry that for all my efforts I was just going to wind up having Carver feel ambivalent about me.

Edit: Hey, I happen to be playing right now and just got a bit of friendship with Carver by telling Knight-Captain Cullen you support the templars, in a separate conversation after you've already completed Enemies Among Us. It's only +5, but friendship points are so few and far between with Carver that it's worth noting!

I should point out that maxing Carver's friendship is simply one of those "can I do it" type of things. It doesn't change the story line.

Thanks, I was actually just going to ask about that. 

[Dene1963]

Chignon wrote...

Dene1963 wrote...

I should point out that maxing Carver's friendship is simply one of those "can I do it" type of things. It doesn't change the story line.

Really? I thought his dialogue changed when you meet him again in the Deep Roads during Nathaniel's quest.

Dialogue does change but the story really doesn't. Unlike other companions who may leave, turn on you, etc. depending on your friendship/rivalry with them, with Carver (and Bethany) it doesn't matter.

Modifié par Dene1963, 24 mars 2011 - 05:28 .

[Dene1963]

BTW, if we ever get a new game with the Warden from DA:O as the main character again, I vote Carver as one of his companions.

[Chignon]

Dene1963 wrote...

Dialogue does change but the story really doesn't. Unlike other companions who may leave, turn on you, etc. depending on your friendship/rivalry with them, with Carver (and Bethany) it doesn't matter.

Oh. You were referring to the story line. Reading comprehension failure on my part, sorry.

Dene1963 wrote...

BTW, if we ever get a new game with the Warden from DA:O as the main character again, I vote Carver as one of his companions.

I agree! I'd be very interested in finding out how his character would develop in a possible DA3 or expansion. Although, the situation with Carver/Bethany would be a similiar to Mass Effect's Kaidan/Ashley.

[yoshibb]

Chignon wrote...

Vaegrin wrote...

Serious question. I've tried reading through this thread to find the answer, but it's a long thread! Is there any point to trying to max out friendship with Carver? Is it even possible? I've been doing my best to max out friendship in Act 1, but it is slow going!

It is possible. Here are some pointers:

- Killing Idunna
- Telling Jethann about Ninette
- Letting lord Harimann live
- Telling Meran you let him live
- In Act I you'll get a letter from the elf smuggler Athenriel if you agreed to work with her when you arrived in Kirkwall, go and see her but turn down her offer for work
- Do his personal quest involving Tobrius's documents
- Let Carver deal with the Fereldans confronting you outside of Lirene's Fereldan Imports
- Convince Feynriel to go to the Circle
- Send Alain to the Circle
- Do not agree to Grace's suggestion to kill Thrask and hand her and the other mages over to Thrask
- Agree to Dougal Gavorn's offer to give you coin for the Deep Roads expedition
- Accepting and completing the quest to rescue Seamus
- Taking him along to the Deep Roads expedition

I hope that helps, Vaegrin.

I'm about halfway through your suggestions and I'm still not into friend territory yet. Ugh, Carver, I try so hard. It's easier with my own little brother. I just buy him dinner.

Modifié par yoshibb, 25 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[SilentK]

Ok =) I never tried Awakening, does that bring extra quests in the deep roads or something like that?

[Chignon]

SilentK wrote...

Ok =) I never tried Awakening, does that bring extra quests in the deep roads or something like that?

Yes, it does. In Hightown, Delilah Howe will give you a quest to look for her brother, Nathaniel. You'll find him in the Deep Roads along with Carver. His dialogue changes according to whether your Hawke pursued a friendship or rivalry path with him.

Edit

If you've never tried Awakening, you can get this quest if you chose the pre-made import "The Martyr."

Modifié par Chignon, 25 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

Dene1963 wrote...

BTW, if we ever get a new game with the Warden from DA:O as the main character again, I vote Carver as one of his companions.

I agree! I'd be very interested in finding out how his character would develop in a possible DA3 or expansion. Although, the situation with Carver/Bethany would be a similiar to Mass Effect's Kaidan/Ashley.

*sigh* And we know how that turns out.  Though I think I trust the DA2 writers a bit more now.

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

*sigh* And we know how that turns out.  Though I think I trust the DA2 writers a bit more now.

I do, too. Which is why I'll pre-order certain games and won't pre-order others.

Brodyaha wrote...

Ooh! Thank you Chig!

..darn it, my Warden didn't sacrifice herself though! >

You're welcome! I think "The Martyr" gets the most content out of the pre-made imports you can choose from.