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[Zan51]

Isn't having your LI at your beck and call by pressing a booty button WORSE than the tasteful love scenes in ME1? I think so, gives out the idea all you have to do is crook a finger and your LI comes running. Not true in RL, Anyone did that to me and they'd get a well deserved sharp answer...

[drunken pyromaniac]

From what I understand, it's post-game content. Yes, it could've been done better with even a little dialogue or something but for all intents and purposes, the game is over. Just accept it as what it was probably intended as.  Something extra.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 24 octobre 2010 - 03:11 .

[Elyvern]

Felene wrote...

I freak out when I saw Garrus/Thane/Jacob sitting cross legs at the sofa. WTF?

Somebody please add a new animation to make them sit like a real man!

Wow....I have no femsheps that romance any of these fellas, but this is quite ewww...

[Ryzaki]

^Okay. I lol'd.



Why are there legs crossed like that? It seems incredibly silly.

[Fraevar]

Ryzaki wrote...

^Okay. I lol'd.

Why are there legs crossed like that? It seems incredibly silly.

Because BioWare were lazy and just re-used the position of the female LI's.

[Christmas Ape]

You know, on reflection, I'm far more disturbed that Grunt doesn't have a private bathroom than I am with the fact that Bioware didn't code a full downtime relationship script that sees your given LI put you off in favor of work, argue with you, come up to the Loft of their own accord, and otherwise act like it's the Sims. They're not meant to have independent operation. They're game pieces.

[Ryzaki]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

^Okay. I lol'd.

Why are there legs crossed like that? It seems incredibly silly.

Because BioWare were lazy and just re-used the position of the female LI's.

LOL so it's like the black hole of doom when FemShep's wearing a dress during Garrus' "reach and flexibility" convo? 

[Elyvern]

Zan51 wrote...

Isn't having your LI at your beck and call by pressing a booty button WORSE than the tasteful love scenes in ME1? I think so, gives out the idea all you have to do is crook a finger and your LI comes running. Not true in RL, Anyone did that to me and they'd get a well deserved sharp answer...

^ This definitely.

@Christmas Ape: I"m one of those sad, sad people who are overly attached to my favourite characters. I do all my best to avoid thinking of them as game pieces, and this particular scenario just screams "game pieces! bad modelling! uncanny valley! slip-shod content!" to me. Hence my gripe...

[guru7892]

Felene wrote...

I freak out when I saw Garrus/Thane/Jacob sitting cross legs at the sofa. WTF?

Somebody please add a new animation to make them sit like a real man!

... I sometimes sit cross-legged...

I will admit that love scenes and sex in general are kinda weird for me in games. Honestly I've never designed romance system in games however Bioware doesn't really flesh out the relationships beyond a chain of scripted events. It seems a little unnatural to me and is kinda strange.

part of the problem is that the game isn't focused on romance, so why are they putting a dating sim in my mass effect?** when you start adding story and deeper interactions to these games you have less to piggyback off of in terms of design and technology. Whats driven technology for the most part has been combat systems not social interaction systems. big technology leaps like quake was for a combat system (although in reality it was kinda the other way around). what that translates too is that a lot of thought needs to be put into social interaction systems to get them to a level similar to the combat and skill focused ones and it's going to be really hard to get there.

**although a mash-up between love+ (popular japanese dating sim) and Mass Effect sounds interesting to me, that more has to deal with the fact Love+ is simulating human interaction and Mass Effect has aliens and sci-fi stuff. You could also make some of the interactions be 'alien and human'. you could call it Mass Effect +...
...and I'm talking about SOCIAL interactions, you pervert!

[HHS_spartan]

Raokin wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Why does this keep getting more confusing?! Why is the cuddling being compared to boob scenes on tv as if they have an equal level of gratuitous content?

I'm also uncertain how one can compare the passive act of watching tv to manually controlling characters in a video game.

By your logic though you should feel creeped out or at least ashaemed of yourself the entire game because your actually controlling a character and having them kill and hurt others instead of passivly watching them in a movie or something.

I really dont understand the big deal at all once again its a video game. Pressing the button to have your LI come up right away in a video game makes about as much sense as anything else in it. I really don't understand how it could be creepy I mean its really there for expediancy same reason you dont have to put in actual coordinates when traveling the galaxy and then wait actual time as your ship goes from location to location. I saw it the same way i saw the toilets flush a little extra thing to add some imersion. 

[Christmas Ape]

Elyvern wrote...

Zan51 wrote...
Isn't having your LI at your beck and call by pressing a booty button WORSE than the tasteful love scenes in ME1? I think so, gives out the idea all you have to do is crook a finger and your LI comes running. Not true in RL, Anyone did that to me and they'd get a well deserved sharp answer...

^ This definitely.

First to this - if it bothers you so much why assume it's instant? There are no actual timepieces, no day/night cycle, and no shift changes on board the SR-2. The button is just the intercom. "Hey, I'll be done with these operational reports early. You should come by when you're free, I'll have Gardner prepare something special." It just abstracts out the conversation and the waiting and the evening in together because this still isn't a dating sim - that you have more with an LI than an epilogue should be considered a bonus Bioware threw in because people loved the characters.

@Christmas Ape: I"m one of those sad, sad people who are overly attached to my favourite characters. I do all my best to avoid thinking of them as game pieces

I may have written some fiction in my day. I may have spoilered myself just to make sure Grunt made it out of the Base. But ultimately I have to recognize that their identities are simple scripting and if the game lets me "control" them it's a matter of me requesting to interact with a portion of the game. It's precisely as strange as the rachni finishing Tartovsky off right as he's trying to help you, or that geth are taking the Feros landing bay at the precise time the Normandy arrives but just behind the colonist who gets shot. The game doesn't have a heartbeat, and while it's fun to pretend the squadmates do it would make for an exceedingly complex and expensive game whose system requirements laugh at any machine not manufactured after its release. They're excellent characters, and exploring the ramifications of their personalities and actions is a great exercise. But it's not the point of the game, and any content that delves into it is a bonus.
I was going to explore the rest, but I felt picking at your opinion would be impolite.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 24 octobre 2010 - 06:56 .

[lovgreno]

imaDEVIENT wrote...

I think they should have the female LI's do the Kelly dance instead of yapping away whlie on Sheps lap.

In that case the male LI's should be able to do the same, it would be unfair to the fans of Garrus, Jacob and Thane to not include that.

Seriously though Kelly is probably the only kind of person on board that would even consider doing a lapdance like that.

[Epantiras]

I called Thane once, for the lulz, but then I never did it again. As you said, it's creepy that they don't speak... it makes it look like i'm playing a dating sim instead of a RPG.

[Raokin]

HHS_spartan wrote...

By your logic though you should feel creeped out or at least ashaemed of yourself the entire game because your actually controlling a character and having them kill and hurt others instead of passivly watching them in a movie or something.



I really dont understand the big deal at all once again its a video game. Pressing the button to have your LI come up right away in a video game makes about as much sense as anything else in it. I really don't understand how it could be creepy I mean its really there for expediancy same reason you dont have to put in actual coordinates when traveling the galaxy and then wait actual time as your ship goes from location to location. I saw it the same way i saw the toilets flush a little extra thing to add some imersion.

I don't know how to explain this without repeating myself, but I suppose it can't hurt to try.



Throughout the game, you're given dialog prompts and interrupts, which are often somewhat vague, at plot points which cause Shepard perform certain actions which are then played out in cinematic style. You don't know exactly what Shepard will say, nor are you able to control or predict his/her every action. Most of the game reminds me somewhat of those old "choose your own adventure" books. You get to make choices and see how they unfold and how others react to them. There's a great deal of discontinuity between that style, as was used in the general plot as well as the romance scenes, and calling a LI up to your room and being given prompts to "press this button to do various physical things with [insert LI here] in silence around the room". The latter is awkward and weird to me when it comes to romance relations, the former is not. I don't have a moral problem with controlling my character in such a way that causes them to kill or initiate/develop a romance, but I am discriminating about how that is handled and what degree of control you have. I don't mean to come off as a prude. I know the actions are totally innocent and everything, it's just that the way it was handled reminds me of a Japanese dating sim or porn game (and maybe that says more about me than the devs or other players). I understand how some people could find it totally inoffensive.



To be honest, I don't even feel strongly about this, nor do I necessarily think it should be taken out, especially considering the fact that it's a very minor and optional part of the game. I just brought it up in another thread, several people agreed, and someone thought it would be a good idea to start a new topic about it.

[CheesesackIII]

It doesn't really seem creepy at all. I never got the sense that Shepard was 'ordering' anyone to do anything, since Shepard doesn't speak either. If you look, there's a glass of wine or some wine-like drink on the table when your LI's sitting with you. I more got the impression that Shepard invited her LI up for a romantic evening together, and what you see are just small snippets of that. It's just a little reward for people who romanced someone, and a way of the game showing that you're in a loving relationship.
As for the 'press F to cuddle' thing, that's just a game mechanic. They needed some way to cycle through the scenes.

Modifié par CheesesackIII, 24 octobre 2010 - 09:25 .