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[DoomMech]

This thread is dedicated to characters YOU personally don't like for whatever reason.

In addition to the character(s) you post you must also post a justification on why you don't like them.

I'll start first:

Garrus: The guy is a screw up of the highest order. He needs your help to kill Dr. Saleon, Sidonis, Garm, Jarrot etc.etc.
He quits his C-Sec job to go play Space Cowboy with a human commander he never met, his battlecries annoy me, and in battle he usually drops dead first. Oh, and "calibrations"; that alone is worth my contempt.

Miranda: She's arrogant, haughty, and has a weird face. In battle she has little in the way of serious damage dealing attacks, since chances are you're playing a class that outpaces her in DPS against shields and armor. Okay, Samara also has little in the way of anti-armor/barrier/shield powers, but she also has an assault rifle. Lastly, her grand standing will get people killed in deadly mission de jour, and yet her a** is virtually plot proof!.

Jack: Oooh boy, were to begin? She cusses up a storm, is insulting, and needs to put some damn clothes on! The cutscenes and marketing material make her out as a petite biotic superwoman capable of launching robo-tanks into the sky, and yet she has only two attacks that do exactly squat against defenses and close combat weapons, but because of her squishy nature, trying to get her into effective range will just get her killed disco dead. Her tattoos are supposed to be representative of prisons/people/kills, yet they look like a confusing miasma of color and patterns that don't look like anything.

Honorable mentions

Tali: While invaluable in combat with her drone and AI hacking powers (until Legion and his BFG arrive), it strikes me as odd that a young and inexperienced quarian, a spieces not known for durablity, is necessary to the story, while the millenia old biotic tank and highly trained C-sec sniper are completly optional. She very rarely ever talks about anything other than her people (and compares everything to them) which gets monotonous after a while. And yet I can't hate her as much as I do the above. I don't know exactly why, I suspect that a portion of ire comes from her immense (and inexplicable) popularity, and I desperatly don't want to hate her just because she has a bajillion appreciation threads floating around.

Ashley Williams: She's racist, pretentious, and utterly useless in combat. I value versatility, and yet all she can use is guns, I can do that well enough on my own thank you very much! However she's saved by virtue of being able to be safely ignored until she's killed off in a suitably dramatic fashion.

Kelly: What does she do on the ship exactly? Oh, well at least she's friendly.

Go wild, but please, keep the flames to a minimum. These are personal opinions.

 

[Nightwriter]

Can't say I care much for your reasons, but fair's fair.

I really don't much like the way they wrote Jacob.

[DaVanguard]

Turian Councilor : obvious reasons



Udina: look at above reason

[fongiel24]

@OP -Wow, that's a third of the SR-2 crew and half the SR-1 crew you've got there.

For ME2, I wasn't crazy about Samara, Jacob, and Zaeed. Some of the other ones could have used some improvement in their execution, but I didn't have a problem with them.

I didn't like Samara because I never felt like she had a good reason to be there and her outfit was ridiculous, exceeding even Miranda's in its blatant sexualization. I normally wouldn't hold cosmetic appearance against a character, but in this case it's so ridiculous and it fits so poorly with her character and profession that I can't ignore it.

Jacob just felt unfinished. He's standoffish and surly without ever giving us a reason why. In a character-driven quasi-RPG, I want to get to know the characters and despite having quite a bit to say, I never got a chance to get to know Jacob.

Zaeed would be okay except his loyalty mission just irritated me. His recklessness and impulsiveness border on unbelievable and I didn't like how he seemed to try to outright intimidate Shepard into taking his way.

I used to have problems with Jack, but lately I've been trying to understand her character more and I appreciate her a lot more than I used to.

The only character I really disliked in ME1 was Ashley. For someone with so little experience, she's overly opinionated, ignorant at best and bigoted at worst, and I still don't understand what Anderson saw in a backwater grunt with little combat experience and no special training.

Modifié par fongiel24, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:12 .

[dgumb]

I'll bite.

Ashley: She's a bigot. 'Nuff said.

Kaiden: He's boring, self absorbed, and useless.

Udina: The guy's made to be unlikeable, he's arrogant and pretentious.

Joker: Might be because I hate Seth Green, and have trouble separating him from his character. But the unfunny jokes, and the "take pictures" stuff just irks me. I'd space him if given the chance, EDI can fly the Normandy without him.

All the councilors: I mean, how obtuse can they be. A reaper shows up, literally at their doorstep, in ME1 and in ME2 you get "ah yes....'reapers'".

The Krogan guard on Tuchanka: "One false step Shepard..." I wish you could kill him for that.

Veetor: He's a sniveling fool, and got the quarians on Freedom's Progress killed with his reprogrammed mechs. Plus the VA annoys me.

Shisk: Like the krogan on Tuchanka, I wish you could kill him on the spot on Omega.

Elias Kellum (sp?): Too bad you can't do more than rough him up. Would like to kill him after getting the information out of him in Thane's loyalty mission.

Harbinger: JUST SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!1!1

That's all I could think of off the top of my head.

Modifié par dgumb, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:14 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Ashley: I dislike that even if you romance her, she doesn't give up her xenophobia. Miranda and Jack I like, with the latter just a tad more so, because they start out abrasive and evolve. Their characters change over time, while Ashley's stays the same. Her hypocritical behavior on Horizon makes it worse as well, even though it is the same for Kaidan if you save him instead.



That's it really. Udina is a good character because he's believable. I hate him, but I hate politicians on principal so it has nothing to do with him.

[Ryzaki]

Jack: I just think she was over the top. But I have the same problem with her that I do with Morrigan. You can't call her out on her s***. I know I'm supposed to feel bad for her...but I mostly feel annoyed.
Miranda: It's not so much I dislike her character as the whole Lazarus part bugs me. Shep: Oh...we should save some people. Miranda: No we wasted 4 billion credit rebuilding you and everyone knew the risks, this whole operation was built around saving your life.
Shep: I'm not going with you!
Miranda: Well you can stay here and die
Shep: Oh...nevermind.
Dude wait what? That whole convo was a giant facepalm
And yes the whole "I am the best" gets really, really old. Yeah. Any Biotic can hold the bubble Miranda? ...sure. If only the swarms took the one holding the barrier instead... 
Grunt bores me to tears. I mean...he's just so bland...we get it you're Krogan. Stop screaming it in battle already.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:20 .

[Raokin]

I'm not fond of Miranda either. I guess it's more to do with the way she was presented than her personality. I don't like the suit she wears or the fact that her enormous a** is in your face half of the time. I guess one could say the same thing about Samara's outfit, but for some reason she doesn't bother me as much. She's not as in your face, nor does she claim to be perfect in every way. Miranda's loyalty mission was sweet, but I can't get past the glaring sex object label plastered to her forehead. I have trouble seeing beyond that.

Modifié par Raokin, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:30 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jack: I just think she was over the top. But I have the same problem with her that I do with Morrigan. You can't call her out on her s***. I know I'm supposed to feel bad for her...but I mostly feel annoyed.
Miranda: It's not so much I dislike her character as the whole Lazarus part bugs me. Shep: Oh...we should save some people. Miranda: No we wasted 4 billion credit rebuilding you and everyone knew the risks, this whole operation was built around saving your life.
Shep: I'm not going with you!
Miranda: Well you can stay here and die
Shep: Oh...nevermind.
Dude wait what? That whole convo was a giant facepalm
And yes the whole "I am the best" gets really, really old. Yeah. Any Biotic can hold the bubble Miranda? ...sure. If only the swarms took the one holding the barrier instead... 
Grunt bores me to tears. I mean...he's just so bland...we get it you're Krogan. Stop screaming it in battle already.

I've expressed that initially I thought Jack was underdone. Seriously, I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say foul mouthed. She's like a WWII Vet with her language.

Watch Leon Cooper's Return to Tarawa for an example.

[Ryzaki]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Jack: I just think she was over the top. But I have the same problem with her that I do with Morrigan. You can't call her out on her s***. I know I'm supposed to feel bad for her...but I mostly feel annoyed.
Miranda: It's not so much I dislike her character as the whole Lazarus part bugs me. Shep: Oh...we should save some people. Miranda: No we wasted 4 billion credit rebuilding you and everyone knew the risks, this whole operation was built around saving your life.
Shep: I'm not going with you!
Miranda: Well you can stay here and die
Shep: Oh...nevermind.
Dude wait what? That whole convo was a giant facepalm
And yes the whole "I am the best" gets really, really old. Yeah. Any Biotic can hold the bubble Miranda? ...sure. If only the swarms took the one holding the barrier instead... 
Grunt bores me to tears. I mean...he's just so bland...we get it you're Krogan. Stop screaming it in battle already.

I've expressed that initially I thought Jack was underdone. Seriously, I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say foul mouthed. She's like a WWII Vet with her language.

Watch Leon Cooper's Return to Tarawa for an example.

...Who said anything about the way she spoke?  I had no problems with her language. It's her attitude and past that bugged me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:26 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Ryzaki wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Jack: I just think she was over the top. But I have the same problem with her that I do with Morrigan. You can't call her out on her s***. I know I'm supposed to feel bad for her...but I mostly feel annoyed.
Miranda: It's not so much I dislike her character as the whole Lazarus part bugs me. Shep: Oh...we should save some people. Miranda: No we wasted 4 billion credit rebuilding you and everyone knew the risks, this whole operation was built around saving your life.
Shep: I'm not going with you!
Miranda: Well you can stay here and die
Shep: Oh...nevermind.
Dude wait what? That whole convo was a giant facepalm
And yes the whole "I am the best" gets really, really old. Yeah. Any Biotic can hold the bubble Miranda? ...sure. If only the swarms took the one holding the barrier instead... 
Grunt bores me to tears. I mean...he's just so bland...we get it you're Krogan. Stop screaming it in battle already.

I've expressed that initially I thought Jack was underdone. Seriously, I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say foul mouthed. She's like a WWII Vet with her language.

Watch Leon Cooper's Return to Tarawa for an example.

...Who said anything about the way she spoke?  I had no problems with her language. It's her attitude and past that bugged me. 

Oh. Well actually I believe the OP mentioned her language, so I assumed you were refering to that too.

[Ryzaki]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Oh. Well actually I believe the OP mentioned her language, so I assumed you were refering to that too.

Well you know what they say about people who make assumptions... :innocent:

[Collider]

There's no character I especially dislike, but some of them I wished had been portrayed differently.

[DoomMech]

yorkj86 wrote...

Holding a squadmate's gimped powerset against them in one's appraisal of their character is silly.  Just saying. 

 Except its not. Having a character be useful to gameplay goes a looooong way to making them more likable. As cold as it sounds, if they're not useful, they are cast aside.

[lizzbee]

fongiel24 wrote...

Jacob just felt unfinished. He's standoffish and surly without ever giving us a reason why. In a character-driven quasi-RPG, I want to get to know the characters and despite having quite a bit to say, I never got a chance to get to know Jacob. 

I'm the same way about Jacob.  Or at least post-Freedom's Progress Jacob.  Up until the Normandy, I actually liked him a lot.  Maybe there's something in the Armory's air that degrades his brain and his personality, or maybe Miranda snuck him a shipment of Aeia's toxic food, but his personality changes completely.  I've never been able to figure him out, whether romanced or friend-zoned.  I think Jack's assessment of his character is dead-on, "He doesn't know who he is."

I haven't warmed up much to Samara still after several playthroughs, though I don't dislike her.  Morinth doesn't have much to her, and what there is isn't much fun.  Grunt's shallow, but semi-fun, and slowly growing on me.  I used to hate Jack, but she's grown on me a lot, go figure.  I just wish she'd be a bit more of a buddy to my FemSheps.

I used to hate Ashley until I decided to have a "girl squad" runthrough in ME1 with her and Tali.  She actually surprised me a lot in a few of the elevator conversations.  She's not the shallow racist I thought she was, and has several moments of surprising compassion toward Tali.

Modifié par lizzbee, 23 octobre 2010 - 03:31 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Ryzaki wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Oh. Well actually I believe the OP mentioned her language, so I assumed you were refering to that too.

Well you know what they say about people who make assumptions... :innocent:

You're included.

[Ryzaki]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...


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Ryzaki wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Oh. Well actually I believe the OP mentioned her language, so I assumed you were refering to that too.

Well you know what they say about people who make assumptions... :innocent:

You're included.

I never said I wasn't   

Twice in a row! Whoot! 

[DoomMech]

You know a few people here metioned that characters have grown on them. For me it's the opposite; I start out liking characters, then it sort of wears off when I figure them out. From then on, I just try screw with them to see what breaks.

[Isaidlunch]

Jack: Not in a "lol wat a bad character" sense but really, I couldn't help but think there were too many moments where she was way out of line. Miranda is no angel but she absolutely did not deserve the way Jack treated her. If not for the loyalty system I would have sided with Miranda in the catfight without a second thought, why the hell should Miranda apologise for something she had nothing to do with? She tries to calm Jack down after she barges into HER office and Jack responds by biotically throwing a heavy object at her? And then the death threat!? That was just too much.

Samara: My favorite character so it breaks me heart to mention her here, but her lines in the Collector Base + after didn't suit her very well. With her being a Justicar it's a bit silly for her to suggest destroying the base because using that information against the Reapers would be "dishonourable" and she really is in no place to assume that TIM is so incredibly dumb that he can't figure out how to use the Collector Base. But most of the squadmates were OOC when it came to the Collector Base so it's excused.

Miranda: Seemed to open up to Shepard too quickly and too soon. The constant camera angles that involved showing her behind and the over-sexualised relationship with her was something I didn't like.

Modifié par Kazanth, 23 octobre 2010 - 03:42 .

[DoomMech]

GaurdianAngel470 wrote
[/quote]

I've expressed that initially I thought Jack was underdone. Seriously, I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say foul mouthed. She's like a WWII Vet with her language.

Watch Leon Cooper's Return to Tarawa for an example.

[/quote]

I know foul language. I've heard profanity that would give elderly women heart attacks. What I'm saying is that in the context of the game, we've gone from almost totally clean, TV language, to a Tarentino movie.

Modifié par DoomMech, 23 octobre 2010 - 03:46 .

[Lilitv]

Miranda: I just hate the Cerberus Cheerleader! GAH! Basically, I agree completely with Jack about Miranda. Almost didn't want to do her loyalty mission but then she looked so sad and I didn't want to become a ****, like her.

TIM: Shifty fellow. And I hate Cerberus.

Not saying that they are badly written though. I'm glad I feel that way about them.

Modifié par Lilitv, 23 octobre 2010 - 03:46 .

[Ryzaki]

Ah yes. The oversexualization of Miranda annoyed me too. ...There's no reason to focus on her ass BW I can see it just fine from the skintight outfit!

[lizzbee]

DoomMech wrote...

You know a few people here metioned that characters have grown on them. For me it's the opposite; I start out liking characters, then it sort of wears off when I figure them out. From then on, I just try screw with them to see what breaks.

I'm one of those.  I usually find if I haul a character I previously disliked most of the way through a game, or find little tidbits about them I've missed, I warm up to them a bit.  Like Jack.  She has a number of lines that either perfectly sum up the situation or crack me up.  A few of her lines on the derelict Reaper made me snicker.  And shockwave's a thing of beauty against husks.  I guess my next runthrough's going to have to involve Jacob (shudder).

Modifié par lizzbee, 23 octobre 2010 - 03:54 .

[davidshooter]

I like to make a distinction between characters that I think are written well as opposed to charactes I just like.

-I'm not crazy about Miranda but I think she was written well although what Bioware did with her ass makes me embarrassed to be playing the game.
-I like Mordin and also think he was written well.
-I intensely dislike the writing for Thane because I think his deep "philosophical" outlook comes off as complete psuedo-intellectualism.
-I wanted to like Samara a lot, she was the character I was most intrigued by before release, I loved the idea of her, but like Thane, the writers really failed. The whole detective/ detention thing resulting in her joining your squad was really silly. All that would have been necessary was making a deal with her - get her to Omega ASAP to pick up the trail (while it's hot) and to finish her quest in exchange for her support in your mission.
-Tali was written well and I like her.
-Garrus I'm indifferent to
-Jacob I liked at first, but by the time you get to his loyalty mission he's in the toilet and his 70s porn romance, well.......what can anyone say that hasn't already been said.
-Legion was well written and I like the character.
-Jack was well written but I personally don't like her, particularly her look in a space game.
-Grunt (and Shepherd standing with him) reminded me too much of Star Trek TNG in Grunt's loyalty mission.
-Zaeed is written very well but I don't like him.
-Liara was awful in the main game but very good in the DLC
-Kasumi is good and I ike her.
-Aria I want in my squad next game.
-Harbinger was complete campy  nonsense "I know you feel this"

Modifié par davidshooter, 23 octobre 2010 - 04:13 .