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[Reverie]

There is no character I really dislike. They all have points I like about them, and points I don't. I guess kind of like real people would. However I wish I could of liked Thane more, but the voice always kind of annoyed me, but I didn't dislike his character because of it. Also wished Jack could of been built upon a bit more, a little less of the victim mentality on her would of been nice.

I have to say though, that some of the points people are mentioning as to why they don't like certain characters seem a little silly, but hey each to their own.

Modifié par Reverie, 23 octobre 2010 - 04:23 .

[Ryzaki]

davidshooter wrote...
-Harbinger was complete campy  nonsense "I know you feel this"

Aw...Harby was just trying to show your Shep his love. 

Harby <3

[Water Dumple]

1. Jack. Her swearing, unnecessarily violent attitude, and lack of shirt are far too obvious and noticeable to be easily overlooked in light of her good qualities. Just about every ME2 character is brilliant, as far as video games go; but compared to other squad members, I don't think Jack improves the game much. Also, I've never much been a fan of the space magic telepathy and whatnot that seems to come up in sci-fi settings a lot (biotics for ME). Definitely prefer tech.

2. Miranda. I don't particularly care for Cerberus' brand of ends-justify-the-means ideas and whatnot, and...alright, I hate Cerberus, and MIranda is a damn Cerberus apologist. Also used quite clearly for generic-class sex appeal, which I don't think is very representative of ME2 as a whole, so she feels out-of-place.

3. Samara. Once again, a great character by video game standards, but in this case she is rather bland by ME2 standards. Part of it is just personal opinion, as Asari are my least favorite race, and the space magic again.

4. Grunt. He has the potential to be hilarious, but his entire design is simply paper-thin. His relevance to the plot is severely stunted, as opposed to characters such as Mordin and Legion which are noticeably related to the major issues throughout ME2.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 23 octobre 2010 - 07:27 .

[Zurcior]

I hate that mechanic, Delan, from Horizon. I bust my ass to save the colony while he cowars in a corner like a child, and he has the nerve act like he knows it all. I also don't like how he's so quick to blame the Alliance for his problems. He shouts to the hills about how he doesn't need the Alliance's help, yet he's the one lock in a garage scared for his life. He's a useless piece of trash if you ask me.

[CroGamer002]

Jacob: BOOOOOOOORIIING.

Garrus ME1: He was a douche then.

Udina: Typical politician only even more douchy.

Turian that is hitting on Quarian: Racist douchbag!

Racist Volus and C-Sec officer: See above.

The Council: F*CK YOU GUYS! You guys are dismissed in ME1.

[GuardianAngel470]

Water Dumple wrote...

1. Jack. Her swearing, unnecessarily violent attitude, and lack of shirt are far too obvious and noticeable to be easily overlooked in light of her good qualities. Just about every ME2 character is brilliant, as far as video games go; but compared to other squad members, I don't think Jack improves the game much. Also, I've never much been a fan of the space magic telepathy and whatnot that seems to come up in sci-fi settings a lot (biotics for ME). Definitely prefer tech.

2. Miranda. I don't particularly care for Cerberus' brand of ends-justify-the-means ideas and whatnot, and...alright, I hate Cerberus, and MIranda is a damn Cerberus apologist. Also used quite clearly for generic-class sex appeal, which I don't think is very representative of ME2 as a whole, so she feels out-of-place.

3. Samara. Once again, a great character by video game standards, but in this case she is rather bland by ME2 standards. Part of it is just personal opinion, as Asari are my least favorite race, and the space magic again.

4. Grunt. He has the potential to be hilarious, but his entire design is simply paper-thin. His relevance to the plot is severely stunted, as opposed to characters such as Mordin and Legion which are noticeable related to the major issues throughout ME2.

Again, someone complaining about her cussing. That is so far down there in importance and honestly, I expected more. 

Personally, I enjoy both Jack's and Miranda's character development, even if you didn't romance them. Samara for me was also a very dynamic character, and she's one of my favorites. She is by far my favorite female character while Garrus is my favorite male character.

[Water Dumple]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

1. Jack. Her swearing, unnecessarily violent attitude, and lack of shirt are far too obvious and noticeable to be easily overlooked in light of her good qualities. Just about every ME2 character is brilliant, as far as video games go; but compared to other squad members, I don't think Jack improves the game much. Also, I've never much been a fan of the space magic telepathy and whatnot that seems to come up in sci-fi settings a lot (biotics for ME). Definitely prefer tech.

2. Miranda. I don't particularly care for Cerberus' brand of ends-justify-the-means ideas and whatnot, and...alright, I hate Cerberus, and MIranda is a damn Cerberus apologist. Also used quite clearly for generic-class sex appeal, which I don't think is very representative of ME2 as a whole, so she feels out-of-place.

3. Samara. Once again, a great character by video game standards, but in this case she is rather bland by ME2 standards. Part of it is just personal opinion, as Asari are my least favorite race, and the space magic again.

4. Grunt. He has the potential to be hilarious, but his entire design is simply paper-thin. His relevance to the plot is severely stunted, as opposed to characters such as Mordin and Legion which are noticeable related to the major issues throughout ME2.

Again, someone complaining about her cussing. That is so far down there in importance and honestly, I expected more.

When swearing is repeated, it loses its entire sense of extreme expression, and ultimately can damage a character. If somebody such as, say, Garrus or Tali shouted "F*ck!" it would actually be surprising and accurately depict their feelings, because normally they are more reserved. Jack does that repeatedly, however, and thus there isn't much range for character expansion. She can be angry and she can be angry in a different way, the main exception being the romance, in which she settles to "not angry". Still, that's not really a wide range of development.

[dgumb]

Zurcior wrote...

I hate that mechanic, Delan, from Horizon. I bust my ass to save the colony while he cowars in a corner like a child, and he has the nerve act like he knows it all. I also don't like how he's so quick to blame the Alliance for his problems. He shouts to the hills about how he doesn't need the Alliance's help, yet he's the one lock in a garage scared for his life. He's a useless piece of trash if you ask me.

OMFG I can't believe I forgot Delan lol. I wish you could kill him, or at least renegade interrupt him.

[GuardianAngel470]

Water Dumple wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

1. Jack. Her swearing, unnecessarily violent attitude, and lack of shirt are far too obvious and noticeable to be easily overlooked in light of her good qualities. Just about every ME2 character is brilliant, as far as video games go; but compared to other squad members, I don't think Jack improves the game much. Also, I've never much been a fan of the space magic telepathy and whatnot that seems to come up in sci-fi settings a lot (biotics for ME). Definitely prefer tech.

2. Miranda. I don't particularly care for Cerberus' brand of ends-justify-the-means ideas and whatnot, and...alright, I hate Cerberus, and MIranda is a damn Cerberus apologist. Also used quite clearly for generic-class sex appeal, which I don't think is very representative of ME2 as a whole, so she feels out-of-place.

3. Samara. Once again, a great character by video game standards, but in this case she is rather bland by ME2 standards. Part of it is just personal opinion, as Asari are my least favorite race, and the space magic again.

4. Grunt. He has the potential to be hilarious, but his entire design is simply paper-thin. His relevance to the plot is severely stunted, as opposed to characters such as Mordin and Legion which are noticeable related to the major issues throughout ME2.

Again, someone complaining about her cussing. That is so far down there in importance and honestly, I expected more.

When swearing is repeated, it loses its entire sense of extreme expression, and ultimately can damage a character. If somebody such as, say, Garrus or Tali shouted "F*ck!" it would actually be surprising and accurately depict their feelings, because normally they are more reserved. Jack does that repeatedly, however, and thus there isn't much range for character expansion. She can be angry and she can be angry in a different way, the main exception being the romance, in which she settles to "not angry". Still, that's not really a wide range of development.

Swearing has all sorts of uses, just like any aspect of language. What some see as exclamation, others see as flavor. To some, these words are simply adjectives, used to accentuate a point. What you and I view as exclamatory words others see as just another word. 

You may not think it is good character, but real people talk like that. There are real people that use swear words like that, and if Jack was based on those people then her character is realistic and well written.

[GuardianAngel470]

dgumb wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

I hate that mechanic, Delan, from Horizon. I bust my ass to save the colony while he cowars in a corner like a child, and he has the nerve act like he knows it all. I also don't like how he's so quick to blame the Alliance for his problems. He shouts to the hills about how he doesn't need the Alliance's help, yet he's the one lock in a garage scared for his life. He's a useless piece of trash if you ask me.

OMFG I can't believe I forgot Delan lol. I wish you could kill him, or at least renegade interrupt him.

Seconded.

[Christmas Ape]

Jack sounds, to me, like a convict character. Not necessarily an actual convict, I don't know enough about the inside of prisons to say that, but a character written to be a convict. That's just how they write them; violently blunt, dialog littered with profanity, dominance-centered interactions. I thought given the limitations of the medium she was a fairly well-done example of the archetype.

[Water Dumple]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

1. Jack. Her swearing, unnecessarily violent attitude, and lack of shirt are far too obvious and noticeable to be easily overlooked in light of her good qualities. Just about every ME2 character is brilliant, as far as video games go; but compared to other squad members, I don't think Jack improves the game much. Also, I've never much been a fan of the space magic telepathy and whatnot that seems to come up in sci-fi settings a lot (biotics for ME). Definitely prefer tech.

2. Miranda. I don't particularly care for Cerberus' brand of ends-justify-the-means ideas and whatnot, and...alright, I hate Cerberus, and MIranda is a damn Cerberus apologist. Also used quite clearly for generic-class sex appeal, which I don't think is very representative of ME2 as a whole, so she feels out-of-place.

3. Samara. Once again, a great character by video game standards, but in this case she is rather bland by ME2 standards. Part of it is just personal opinion, as Asari are my least favorite race, and the space magic again.

4. Grunt. He has the potential to be hilarious, but his entire design is simply paper-thin. His relevance to the plot is severely stunted, as opposed to characters such as Mordin and Legion which are noticeable related to the major issues throughout ME2.

Again, someone complaining about her cussing. That is so far down there in importance and honestly, I expected more.

When swearing is repeated, it loses its entire sense of extreme expression, and ultimately can damage a character. If somebody such as, say, Garrus or Tali shouted "F*ck!" it would actually be surprising and accurately depict their feelings, because normally they are more reserved. Jack does that repeatedly, however, and thus there isn't much range for character expansion. She can be angry and she can be angry in a different way, the main exception being the romance, in which she settles to "not angry". Still, that's not really a wide range of development.

Swearing has all sorts of uses, just like any aspect of language. What some see as exclamation, others see as flavor. To some, these words are simply adjectives, used to accentuate a point. What you and I view as exclamatory words others see as just another word. 

You may not think it is good character, but real people talk like that. There are real people that use swear words like that, and if Jack was based on those people then her character is realistic and well written.

Because Mass Effect is clearly intended for realism, with the race of sentient starships harvesting civilized life in the Milky Way every 50,000 years, an element that gains mass when a positive charge is applied or loses mass when a negative charge is applied, a giant Terminator robot, space magic telepathy, self-aware autonomous machines, and the likes.

Most of the characters in Mass Effect are clearly written to be liked by certain people; they're more clean-cut and appealing than real individuals, even behind their three-dimensional development designs. Jacob, for instance, is a failure as a character because he is supposed to be likeable but isn't. Garrus is a successful character because he is supposed to be likeable by many players, and he certainly accomplishes that goal (the same could be said of most if not all characters with large threads and followings). A character attempting to fit reality, therefore, is out of place because the rest were crafted to be appealing--and I don't think Jack is attempting to fit reality at all. She remains a success given the number of people in the demographic she appeals to; I am simply not one of those people, for several reasons.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:14 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Some squaddies are more useful in combat than others, some are better written than others...

I don't think I actually truly despise any of them. Not even the Turian Councillor. Well, perhaps him, due to the distinction of "starring" in the worst scene of any Bioware game I've yet played.

Sometimes I wonder if the whole Internet fan meme culture that builds up around these characters detracts from what the writers intended. Some, like Garrus and Tali, clearly became more popular due to it. "Turian Batman", "the only loyal squaddies", "dem hips", and all that.

Some, like Ashley and poor little Kelly Chambers suffered, due to endless overblown repetitions of their perceived faults. You don't need to do much else than bring up either of them up anywhere online, and there's a reasonable chance the first reply will be something like "lol racist" or "lol scale itch". I confess I've indulged in the "scale itch" meme myself, before I truly realized just how toxic the phenomenon was. The thing is, the character is no longer widely taken seriously due to an offhand unrelated joke that grew into a meme. Not that the character isn't suspect in other ways, but the scale itch thing is a convenient bludgeon you can just slam down without any further thought, or the need to backup your words. The same thing with the "bigot" and "racist" slams Ashley has to endure. Just go and make a Youtube video or a piece of fanart about Ash, and at least one of the first three comments tells you "she was a racist who I Virmired lol". Just look at the posts already on this thread: there's already one such "bigot, 'nuff said" dismissal there.

It becomes hard to separate the "fanon construct" from the canon character without the excess Internet fandom baggage, the character as s/he is presented in-game.

For various reasons, I detest Tali and Garrus these days. I kill them both each time to keep them from my ME3 squad, in the off chance that the devs once again "serve" those two fandoms over everyone else. I can no longer completely separate the "in-game" characters from the loathsome fanon pin up constructs worshipped on these boards. I used to tolerate Tali and actually like Garrus back in ME1, before I started participating in the Internet fandom. But as I suspect the writers will be indulging those two fandoms again in ME3 above others, I simply don't want that s#!t in my game if I can avoid it. And thanks to the suicide mission mechanic, I can. Sometimes you get lucky... And still, it isn't necessarily the fault of the writing (or by extension, the fault of the characters themselves). The critical overload and volume of fanservice and fan worship just killed those two for me, and made me focus on their faults rather than on their good qualities.

It works the other way too sometimes... I don't think I'd be as positive about Miranda without having read her fan thread, where I found some rather thoughtful analysis and people who had much more coherently stated their likes about her than my own vague feelings. I always sort of liked her, but these days she is one of my ME2 faves.

I suspect that if my biggest ME2 favorite, Mordin, had a cult around him similar to what (the rather shallow in comparison) ME2 Garrus has, I would sour on him too. Did people worship Wrex back before ME2, like the way they now do with Garrus? Thank the stars I missed that, if it happened.

[Christmas Ape]

For various reasons, I detest Tali and Garrus these days. I kill them both each time to keep them from my ME3 squad, in the off chance that the devs once again "serve" those two fandoms over everyone else. I can no longer completely separate the "in-game" characters from the loathsome fanon pin up constructs worshipped on these boards. I used to tolerate Tali and actually like Garrus back in ME1, before I started participating in the Internet fandom. But as I suspect the writers will be indulging those two fandoms again in ME3 above others, I simply don't want that s#!t in my game if I can avoid it. And thanks to the suicide mission mechanic, I can. Sometimes you get lucky... And still, it isn't necessarily the fault of the writing (or by extension, the fault of the characters themselves). The critical overload and volume of fanservice and fan worship just killed those two for me, and made me focus on their faults rather than on their good qualities.

It works the other way too sometimes... I don't think I'd be as positive about Miranda without having read her fan thread, where I found some rather thoughtful analysis and people who had much more coherently stated their likes about her than my own vague feelings. I always sort of liked her, but these days she is one of my ME2 faves.

I suspect that if my biggest ME2 favorite, Mordin, had a cult around him similar to what (the rather shallow in comparison) ME2 Garrus has, I would sour on him too. Did people worship Wrex back before ME2, like the way they now do with Garrus? Thank the stars I missed that, if it happened.

It does say "characters" in the subject line, not "posters".

[dgumb]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Sometimes I wonder if the whole Internet fan meme culture that builds up around these characters detracts from what the writers intended. Some, like Garrus and Tali, clearly became more popular due to it. "Turian Batman", "the only loyal squaddies", "dem hips", and all that.

Some, like Ashley and poor little Kelly Chambers suffered, due to endless overblown repetitions of their perceived faults. You don't need to do much else than bring up either of them up anywhere online, and there's a reasonable chance the first reply will be something like "lol racist" or "lol scale itch". I confess I've indulged in the "scale itch" meme myself, before I truly realized just how toxic the phenomenon was. The thing is, the character is no longer widely taken seriously due to an offhand unrelated joke that grew into a meme. Not that the character isn't suspect in other ways, but the scale itch thing is a convenient bludgeon you can just slam down without any further thought, or the need to backup your words. The same thing with the "bigot" and "racist" slams Ashley has to endure. Just go and make a Youtube video or a piece of fanart about Ash, and at least one of the first three comments tells you "she was a racist who I Virmired lol". Just look at the posts already on this thread: there's already one such "bigot, 'nuff said" dismissal there.

It becomes hard to separate the "fanon construct" from the canon character without the excess Internet fandom baggage, the character as s/he is presented in-game.

Well, as the author of the "bigot, nuff said" remark, I'll say in my own defense:

A) That you're assuming from my laconic remark that it's a knee-jerk or unthinking reaction to a meme, rather than a genuinely felt character judgement. I find that Ashley IS a racist, both in ME1 and reinforced in the Horizon scene in ME2, and I find that a detestable, offensive character trait. I don't dislike her character because of youtube comments, I dislike her because of the things I've seen her say in my many (double digits at least) playthroughs in ME1 & 2.

Since she's a fictional character, I don't feel I need to pay her more respect, or reach a more nuanced assesment of her character than I have. If she were a real person I might be more inclined to try and sympathize with her feelings, but she isn't and I'm not.

And C) Mordin is one of my favorites too. =) I love his voice acting, and his character in general.

Edit: Slightly for brevity.

Modifié par dgumb, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:59 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Water Dumple wrote...

Because Mass Effect is clearly intended for realism, with the race of sentient starships harvesting civilized life in the Milky Way every 50,000 years, an element that gains mass when a positive charge is applied or loses mass when a negative charge is applied, a giant Terminator robot, space magic telepathy, self-aware autonomous machines, and the likes.

Most of the characters in Mass Effect are clearly written to be liked by certain people; they're more clean-cut and appealing than real individuals, even behind their three-dimensional development designs. Jacob, for instance, is a failure as a character because he is supposed to be likeable but isn't. Garrus is a successful character because he is supposed to be likeable by many players, and he certainly accomplishes that goal (the same could be said of most if not all characters with large threads and followings). A character attempting to fit reality, therefore, is out of place because the rest were crafted to be appealing--and I don't think Jack is attempting to fit reality at all. She remains a success given the number of people in the demographic she appeals to; I am simply not one of those people, for several reasons.

So you would rather Bioware create characters that appealed to certain demographics instead of create realistic or at the very least believable characters?

I find that a rather strange request. Ignoring for a moment the idea that in literature it is the goal of the writer to create believable characters, tailoring to a demographic diminishes the work as a whole. You end up using stereotypes instead of unique characters. Stereotypes are that for a reason, they are widely held images of personalities or races that are shallow and lazy to include in any work of fiction.

I find Jack extremely refreshing because Bioware rewrote what we should expect from a criminal. They took an idea and created a character image for the public of tasteless and vulgar street criminal and instead gave us one of the most rewarding romances of all of the ME2 ones. Her character development defied the convention of the criminal.

Her language however, makes perfect sense too. Anyone who has spent any time among violent criminal types (myself of the juvenile variety, still big crimes like heavy drug marketing) can tell you that an important aspect to avoiding trouble is to adapt how you speak. The less different you sound, the less you stand out and the more likely you can avoid violent conflicts. It's a matter of survival instinct.

Jack's tough, but she isn't invincible. Falling in with pirates colors your speech I would imagine. If she didn't talk like that I'd expect her to be a part of more organized crime, which would defy her upbringing.

[Rogue Unit]

Tali

If there is one character I can't stand its Tali. She always whines, cry and complains about the way quarians are generalized as thieves and beggars and yet she is quick to generalize everyone in Cerberus as evil. Jacob is a good man and he tried to be nice to Tali when she first boards the Normandy. He compliments her and praises her combat skills and she throws it back in his face, even after he explains that he wasn't part of what happen between Cerberus and the quarians, all the while forgeting that Jacob was part of the squad that saved her and her friend's asses after they betray Shepard on Freedom's Progress. She, like the rest of the quarians, also has an underserved sense of entitlement, always moaning about how her race has "suffered enough."

Not to much that she's such a fangirl.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The characters I hate because I think they are poorly written?

Jacob: Bioware apperently wanted to make a Kaidan Alenko with more bro elements in him. Sadly the results were a bland and boring character who seemed to annoyed with everyone and came of as rude when talking to Shepard. Special mentions goes to his constant stupid suggestions (Let's space the geth, we shouldn't defend Garrus, let me into the vents), and the most hilarious romance ever.

A shame considering the character seemed interesting and likeable during the toturial.

Grunt: His jokes aren't funny and there isn't much to his character IMO.

The LOTSB dossie did help his character though.

Jack: This might just be me biased since I never really liked the "beaten puppy" type of characters, her attitude also made it hard for me to feel sorry for her. Thank god you can tell her to STFU during the catfight and ignore upgrading the Normandy armor, Shepard's reaction when she dies however <_<...

Thane: Oh god, where to begin?

The entire character is completely pointless and irrelevant. This character serves abseloutly no purpose beyond being there for the sake of it. His flashbacks are the most annoying thing ever, his persornality also bored me.

Worst character in the series so far.

[turian councilor Knockout]

I have an intense hatred for the Turian Councilor (as the name suggest) because he seems to do everything that annoys Shepard like asking if he takes pleasure in comitting genocide (rachni queen), pointing out that Shepard have a fragile mental state, saving Feros because humans lived there and much more.

[KendallX23]

characters i "hate" well...Udina and the mechanic on Horizon...for obvious reasons

Dislike:

Liara-don't know...her voice..she most of the time sounds like she has a cold...her personality changes from ME1 to LOTSB too much...don't much like asari in general...the only time Liara was written well was in LOTSB..wich is my favourite dlc btw

Thane-why do i need an assasin on my team ???his memory flashbacks are annoying too..and he seems more like a character that wants to die...he reminds me of a drunk man in a bar sometimes...but listening to his story u can symphatise with him

I like the rest of the crew...both ME1 and ME2...though i should mention i want changes in ME3 for Garrus and Tali...

[Rogue Unit]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

I have an intense hatred for the Turian Councilor (as the name suggest) because he seems to do everything that annoys Shepard like asking if he takes pleasure in comitting genocide (rachni queen), pointing out that Shepard have a fragile mental state, saving Feros because humans lived there and much more.

Shepard : I've taken photos of the human reaper and I brought Legion, an actual geth here to confirm that Sovreign wasn't geth technology.

Turian Councilor : Hmm, let me see those photos. Yup, these are photoshopped. I can tell.

Shepard : ....

I think everyone hates him, that goes without saying. He was annoying but tolerable until Mass Effect 2 came along and he started air quoting people.

[V-rex]

[Snipped for very long and detailed and potentially angry and maybe offensive language that in turn could result in a nasty flame war, but for the main point of it all just file it under another 'Ashley isn't racist' argument I've been making a lot lately.]

Okay, I'm back.

Honestly, I can't really say I 'hated' any characters in any instance. Some I liked more than others, true, but I make an effort to always find at least one thing to like about all the characters in the cast.
The only one I can really say I 'hated' was Morinith because she was a heartless, soulless murderer who killed people for fun and toyed with and ruined lives and not only showed no regret, she seemed to be proud of it. Honestly I can't understand how anyone, after seeing that poor grieving mother, could think there was any justification in letting Morinith live over Samara.

However, Morinith's facination with art and literature and her description of music and rythm was still interesting to listen to, so while she was very awful and loathsome she still had an intriguing aspect to her.
Not enough to save her child killing life but enough to at least make me nodd appreciativley at her taste in music.

Modifié par V-rex, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Rogue Unit]

I'm so soft when I come to making renegade decisions just for the sake of doing it. I've got no problem pushing a mercenary out of a window or beating up suspect in the middle of the wards, but I never in any of my 12 games had the heart to pick Morinith over Samara. Samara isn't exactly an angel but she still tries to do good while Morinith goes around mind-****ing people to death just for the laughs.



I don't have the heart to kill Samara and spare a monster, especially after I watch a vid of Morinith mind-raping Shepard to death.

[Sundance31us]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

You may not think it is good character, but real people talk like that. There are real people that use swear words like that, and if Jack was based on those people then her character is realistic and well written.

First I will list my experience with "real people (who) talk like that":

- bigoted violent bikers who were organized in a gang

- WWII veteran and truck driver

- a Marine



Jack doesn't swear like "those people", she swears like an angry teenager with extreme PMS who just found out she was grounded and was going to miss the Expel 10 concert.

[GodWood]

Jack honestly didn't swear that much.