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[Stokely]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Heheheh! No drell for you, what about hanar?

Hanar are awesome! Seriously, who doesn't love hanar?

[Moondoggie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Because there are far too many NPCs, I will restrict the following rant to actual team members--all of them.  Let's start with the old crew...

ASHLEY: Yes, she's a bigot.  However, looking at her family history, and the fact that she'd never really had much contact with aliens, it's understandable.  She's fun to talk to, and was my FemShep's BFF.  However, she is an absolutely horrible LI.  The poetry.  My God.  Not during sexytimes, dear, please!  And then there's Horizon.

KAIDAN: Nice, sweet, and fairly useful in combat.  Completely lacking in a sense of humor, and therefore absudly boring.  Most realistic romace buildup, though.  Also, Horizon.

TALI: Really annoying in ME1, both in and out of combat.  Learning about quarians was interesting on my first playthrough, but after that it was just a reason to abuse the spacebar.  I felt like she really "grew up" by the time ME2 rolled around, however, and I liked the change.  I think she needs to lay off the "all geth are evil" thing, though.  Romance was cute, but painfuly obvious fanservice.

GARRUS: He was a jerk in ME1; an obvious n00b despite his years of military training and C-Sec service.  Loved him in ME2 when he finally developed a sense of humor, and like Tali I felt that he'd matured, but Christ, enough with the angst!  I was also sad that I was denied bromance, and thus had to jump his bone for the sake of additional conversations.  Needs to shut up while we're in combat.

WREX: Turned the big bad thug stereotype completely on its head and was all-around well written and entertaining.  Became King of the Krogans, which in my opinion makes up for him not being on my squad.  No complaints.

LIARA: Uninteresting, creepy, and a complete sissy in ME1.  Just plain creepy in ME2, but I suppose after all she's been through, her complete 180 made some sense (and by some I mean enough for me not to shoot her writers).  Brilliant in LotSB, but it's a shame it took her that long to grow the hell up.

MIRANDA: Can you MarySue a little harder for me, please?  Not that her attitude doesn't make sense, given her background, but she is a massive pain in DAT ASS.  Yes.  DAT ASS.  Please, Bioware, your fans objectify your characters enough on their own.  You don't need to help.

JACOB: I guess I'll have to take a raincheck on that "human male LI with a personality" I ordered until ME3 rolls around.

JACK: Her backstory was a bit over-the-top.  I feel sorry for her, really, but I'm not going to do anything about it until she puts a shirt on.  No matter how awesome a biotic you are, bare skin does not reflect bullets.

SAMARA: A surprisingly deep character once you get past her controlled monotone.  The romance block was brilliant.  Her outfit... doesn't suit her.  Her ability to kill without hesitation and unquestioning adherence to the Code frightens me.

MORINTH: Goddamn vampire.  I hate vampires.  Really interesting character once you get past the brainrape thing, though.  Nonetheless, pure evil and gives me the creeps.

LEGION: No complaints other than he shows up at the last possible minute.  Why, oh why couldn't there have been additional awesome?

GRUNT: One-dimensional, but can you blame him?  He was only just born and has nothing to go on except what's been streamed into his head.  Pales in comparison to Wrex, but he makes a good meat tank.

THANE: Least favorite squadmate.  Bioware tried to cram everything that would make him appealing to female gamers all in one character with disasterous results.  I hate his flashbacks, I hate his stinking pile of emo-ness, and I hate his whiny little son.  A biotic sniper is insanely useful, however, plus his cut-scenes are sweet.

MORDIN: Hilarious and surprisingly deep.  Utterly useless and made of paper in combat.

ZAEED: I wish he had more emotions than "this takes me back" and "GRR RAR REVENGE RAR."  Hilarious at times and is a bonus to the "hold the line" part of the suicide mission.  Needs a dialog wheel.

KASUMI: Didn't like her at first, but she's proven to be both entertaining and useful.  Needs to get over her dead boyfriend.

SHEPARD: Mark Meer, for the most part, did a good job, but seriously failed at acting romantic or gentle.  Jennifer Hale is a bit better in my opinion, but she needs to turn off the auto-flirt when talking to Jacob.

SO YES, I have a problem with every single squadmate except Wrex and Legion (and strangely enough, neither are my favorites).  I can't really bring myself to hate any of them, though.  I'm a total sap.

It didn't seem to take her long to do that.. You do her loyalty mission she has a good cry then starts going gushy over Jacob. Rebound maybe?

[Neria Rose]

achwas wrote...

Nevermind that Liara also found time, besides basic commando stuff, to gain a full doctorate from the university of "Skullum-what-so-ever" (I forgot the exact planet, but it is commented on in LotSB ) which should take up to a decade , depending on the subject and curriculum  and did several years of archeology before joining Shepard on therum in ME-1. She is a grown woman in her mid-twenties in human terms, even if Asari mature slower, or rather enjoy their carefree "maiden" years more than humans would.

Liara says, and I quote, "But among the asari, I am barely considered more than a child."

www.youtube.com/watch

That implies late teens/barely legal. Creepy. And I can't believe I made myself suffer listening to her raspy voice trying to find that line.

[XX55XX]

Glad someone made a thread about this.

My least favorite characters:

1. Kaidan. I don't know what's with him, but I just hate the guy. He's dull. There is no oomph to his personality. He spends far too much time wailing around in the past (even though his past is a little traumatic), and appears overly defensive the first time I met him.

2. Jacob. I tried to like this guy, but I just can't. He felt incomplete. He had the potential to top Garrus, but didn't. I don't what the writers were thinking, by creating a character that barely had any personality to begin with. What's the point of creating such a character, then? And I hate how he ignores me every time I head over to the armory to talk to him. It's like he's completely anti-social and doesn't give much a reason why. Poorly written character, even some of the fanfics have done better justice to him than BioWare's writers have. Just another token human male for the sake of diversity, I guess.

3. Samara. I dislike her ways. I would not have recruited her, since her obedience to her creed automatically makes her a liability. I don't know why she joined my mission in the first place either. She's inflexible, unbending, and doesn't appear to have much character development whatsoever, unlike many of the other characters.

4. Ashley. I don't like her not because she is an apparent racist, but rather that she refuses to even admit that she is one. Come on, there is nothing wrong with being xenophobic, but at least have the guts to admit it! And she is a little too tomboyish for my tastes.

5. Jack. Oh, where do I begin? I know she's had a traumatic childhood and all, but she is just one angry little **** that never seemingly calms down. Granted, I understand that it takes time to appreciate someone like Jack, but she does not give off a good first impression. It's very hard for any character to recover from a poor first impression.

Honorable mentions

1. Grunt. I tried liking him, but he is a blank slate in every single conceivable way. Few redeeming qualities whatsoever, character-wise. I am neutral with his character, but I feel as though BioWare could have done so much more.

2. Thane. Like some other characters, Thane spends too much time wallowing in his past, rather than focusing on the mission and moving on.

[Sparda Stonerule]

I don't distinctly hate anyone. Well ok there is one person I do hate but I never need to get to know her. I hate Morinth but I always kill her. Her attitude is a combination of Jack and Miranda except elevated to absurd extremes. Other than that, the worst I can say about some squad mates is that I'm not interested in them really. I honestly don't care about Miranda or Jacob. Jack's story at least has some depth and emotion in it. Miranda's is understandable but her motivations are just lackluster to me. In fact I'd rather know Oriana since she seems a lot more interesting than her big sister. Jacob is just bland. I don't care much about Samara's story either, except it made me care enough to hate Morinth so I was glad I got to kill her. So well done on that I guess. Other than that I do happen to like everyone else. I must be one of the few people who likes both Ashley and Kaiden, even though I keep Ashley alive because she can snipe and I just happen to like team mates who can snipe.



As far as incidental characters, Turian Councilor, Donnel Udina, and Corporal Toombs are the only ones I can say I really dislike.

[XX55XX]

mashavasilec wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Glad someone made a thread about this.

My least favorite characters:

1. Kaidan. I don't know what's with him, but I just hate the guy. He's dull. There is no oomph to his personality. He spends far too much time wailing around in the past (even though his past is a little traumatic), and appears overly defensive the first time I met him...

5. Jack. Oh, where do I begin? I know she's had a traumatic childhood and all, but she is just one angry little **** that never seemingly calms down. Granted, I understand that it takes time to appreciate someone like Jack, but she does not give off a good first impression. It's very hard for any character to recover from a poor first impression.

It's very hard for any character to recover from a traumatic childhood. I only see lack of empathy here, not a reason to dislike certain squadmates

Maybe so. Maybe so. But then again, most of the people on this forum do tend to value those characters which make them laugh, make them cry, but very few people like those characters who bore or annoy them.

[XX55XX]

Then, she shares her deepest trouble with you.  Eventually, she shares her emotions with you.  No character development?

Pardon me, but it's been ages since I've played the game... which was last March. Perhaps my recollection on certain moments is more clouded by emotion more than anything else.

[AdmiralCheez]

yorkj86 wrote...

Off-topic, but somebody needs to "Grunt's Size" this.

Anyway, back on track.  The "Morinth is based on a succubus not a vampire" thing: a good point, but still falls into the category of "soul-sucking immortal things that act classy and try to seduce you."  As for Kasumi, yeah the Jacob thing was both weird and funny.  She kept obsessing over Keiji well after his death, and then seems to start gushing over Jacob AT THE SAME TIME.  So I don't know what's going on with her love life, but it bugs me nonetheless.

[RPGmom28]

Regarding Kasumi's interest in Jacob although she's still mooning over Keiji- Obsessing over someone you've loved and lost doesn't wrap strong arms around you or physically satisfy you. Although common sense would dictate that it's best to approach romance again when you are fully "over" someone, in my experience most people don't wait. They want to fill the space with the thrill of new infatuation.

I met my husband of 15 years two weeks after I broke up with a man I had dated seriously for two years. That "rebound romance" actually worked. Sometimes you reach a point where you're just willing to move on.

[Darc_Requiem]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I don't distinctly hate anyone. Well ok there is one person I do hate but I never need to get to know her. I hate Morinth but I always kill her. Her attitude is a combination of Jack and Miranda except elevated to absurd extremes. Other than that, the worst I can say about some squad mates is that I'm not interested in them really. I honestly don't care about Miranda or Jacob. Jack's story at least has some depth and emotion in it. Miranda's is understandable but her motivations are just lackluster to me. In fact I'd rather know Oriana since she seems a lot more interesting than her big sister. Jacob is just bland. I don't care much about Samara's story either, except it made me care enough to hate Morinth so I was glad I got to kill her. So well done on that I guess. Other than that I do happen to like everyone else. I must be one of the few people who likes both Ashley and Kaiden, even though I keep Ashley alive because she can snipe and I just happen to like team mates who can snipe.

As far as incidental characters, Turian Councilor, Donnel Udina, and Corporal Toombs are the only ones I can say I really dislike.

You aren't the only one. I liked them both too.

[Zubie]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

You aren't the only one. I liked them both too.

Same here. Really enjoyed having both of them on my squad in ME1. Until Virmire....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Short of Udina, can't say I truly dislike a 'major' character.



I'd say I'm neutral on about half of the squad mates and like the others.



Sure, I think Morinth should be put down, but damn if she isn't an awesome embodiment of ruthless chaotic remorseless evil.

[Sable Rhapsody]

XX55XX wrote...

Maybe so. Maybe so. But then again, most of the people on this forum do tend to value those characters which make them laugh, make them cry, but very few people like those characters who bore or annoy them.

The thing with being empathetic toward video game characters is that it's very dependent on the experiences of the player and honestly just how goddamn patient they're feeling that day.  If you met someone like Thane or Jack in real life (excluding aforementioned characters' ability to kill you with a snap), you probably wouldn't be a complete ass to them the way Shep can.  But if you've heard the character trope a million zillion times, or you've just had a bad day, or for some reason you're just not in the mood for angst, you're not likely to feel empathy for those characters.

For example--my empathy for the whole "Wussy JRPG girl who makes heroic sacrifice" character, of which there are a jillon in JRPGs?  ZERO.  Because I've seen it done so many times and often so poorly, I don't care any more.  Throw yourself off a cliff?  Threaten to commit heroic suicide?  Go ahead, I'll be over here having a sammich.  On the other hand, I found a lot of empathy for Legion.  Legion the robot.  Go figure.

[DarthCaine]

Kasumi, her arrogance really annoys me.

Tali, she acts like she's 14.

ME1 Liara was really boring, but I wouldn't say I disliked her.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 novembre 2010 - 09:00 .

[aeetos21]

Looking back I think I disliked the salarian and asari councilmembers less than I did the turian - at least he was honest and though annoying his tantrums did make for some entertainment. The asari and salarian pretty much went with whatever he or Udina suggested - exception being when they made Shepard a Spectre and the turian opposed it at first. But barring that? Seriously screw them (all of them really but especially those two councilors and Udina since his goal are purely selfish).

[Manic Sheep]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Because there are far too many NPCs, I will restrict the following rant to actual team members--all of them.  Let's start with the old crew...

ASHLEY: Yes, she's a bigot.  However, looking at her family history, and the fact that she'd never really had much contact with aliens, it's understandable.  She's fun to talk to, and was my FemShep's BFF.  However, she is an absolutely horrible LI.  The poetry.  My God.  Not during sexytimes, dear, please!  And then there's Horizon.

KAIDAN: Nice, sweet, and fairly useful in combat.  Completely lacking in a sense of humor, and therefore absudly boring.  Most realistic romace buildup, though.  Also, Horizon.

TALI: Really annoying in ME1, both in and out of combat.  Learning about quarians was interesting on my first playthrough, but after that it was just a reason to abuse the spacebar.  I felt like she really "grew up" by the time ME2 rolled around, however, and I liked the change.  I think she needs to lay off the "all geth are evil" thing, though.  Romance was cute, but painfuly obvious fanservice.

GARRUS: He was a jerk in ME1; an obvious n00b despite his years of military training and C-Sec service.  Loved him in ME2 when he finally developed a sense of humor, and like Tali I felt that he'd matured, but Christ, enough with the angst!  I was also sad that I was denied bromance, and thus had to jump his bone for the sake of additional conversations.  Needs to shut up while we're in combat.

WREX: Turned the big bad thug stereotype completely on its head and was all-around well written and entertaining.  Became King of the Krogans, which in my opinion makes up for him not being on my squad.  No complaints.

LIARA: Uninteresting, creepy, and a complete sissy in ME1.  Just plain creepy in ME2, but I suppose after all she's been through, her complete 180 made some sense (and by some I mean enough for me not to shoot her writers).  Brilliant in LotSB, but it's a shame it took her that long to grow the hell up.

MIRANDA: Can you MarySue a little harder for me, please?  Not that her attitude doesn't make sense, given her background, but she is a massive pain in DAT ASS.  Yes.  DAT ASS.  Please, Bioware, your fans objectify your characters enough on their own.  You don't need to help.

JACOB: I guess I'll have to take a raincheck on that "human male LI with a personality" I ordered until ME3 rolls around.

JACK: Her backstory was a bit over-the-top.  I feel sorry for her, really, but I'm not going to do anything about it until she puts a shirt on.  No matter how awesome a biotic you are, bare skin does not reflect bullets.

SAMARA: A surprisingly deep character once you get past her controlled monotone.  The romance block was brilliant.  Her outfit... doesn't suit her.  Her ability to kill without hesitation and unquestioning adherence to the Code frightens me.

MORINTH: Goddamn vampire.  I hate vampires.  Really interesting character once you get past the brainrape thing, though.  Nonetheless, pure evil and gives me the creeps.

LEGION: No complaints other than he shows up at the last possible minute.  Why, oh why couldn't there have been additional awesome?

GRUNT: One-dimensional, but can you blame him?  He was only just born and has nothing to go on except what's been streamed into his head.  Pales in comparison to Wrex, but he makes a good meat tank.

THANE: Least favorite squadmate.  Bioware tried to cram everything that would make him appealing to female gamers all in one character with disasterous results.  I hate his flashbacks, I hate his stinking pile of emo-ness, and I hate his whiny little son.  A biotic sniper is insanely useful, however, plus his cut-scenes are sweet.

MORDIN: Hilarious and surprisingly deep.  Utterly useless and made of paper in combat.

ZAEED: I wish he had more emotions than "this takes me back" and "GRR RAR REVENGE RAR."  Hilarious at times and is a bonus to the "hold the line" part of the suicide mission.  Needs a dialog wheel.

KASUMI: Didn't like her at first, but she's proven to be both entertaining and useful.  Needs to get over her dead boyfriend.

SHEPARD: Mark Meer, for the most part, did a good job, but seriously failed at acting romantic or gentle.  Jennifer Hale is a bit better in my opinion, but she needs to turn off the auto-flirt when talking to Jacob.

SO YES, I have a problem with every single squadmate except Wrex and Legion (and strangely enough, neither are my favorites).  I can't really bring myself to hate any of them, though.  I'm a total sap.

Pretty much agree with everything you said here, Wrex is the only one I can't complain about. Although Kasumi actually gets over her BF pretty fast if you destroy the greybox and believe it or not Kaiden actually dose have quite a dry sense of humour but it doesn’t come thru very often and can be hard to catch because he so dam ಠ_ಠ most the time. No don’t talk to me. It breaks regulations!
Oh and am I the only one who likes jacks look? Admittedly I kept expecting her die of exposure when all she wears is that stupid little breather but her tattoos are beautiful and the main focus of her outfit. Putting a shirt over it kind of ruins it.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 10 novembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[Darc_Requiem]

easygame88 wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

You aren't the only one. I liked them both too.

Same here. Really enjoyed having both of them on my squad in ME1. Until Virmire....

Yeah, ME1 Garrus was essentially a Turian Carth. I wanted to leave him on Virmire. I wanted to keep my Gunnery Chief and LT dammit!

[achwas]

Neria Rose wrote...

achwas wrote...

Nevermind that Liara also found time, besides basic commando stuff, to gain a full doctorate from the university of "Skullum-what-so-ever" (I forgot the exact planet, but it is commented on in LotSB ) which should take up to a decade , depending on the subject and curriculum  and did several years of archeology before joining Shepard on therum in ME-1. She is a grown woman in her mid-twenties in human terms, even if Asari mature slower, or rather enjoy their carefree "maiden" years more than humans would.

Liara says, and I quote, "But among the asari, I am barely considered more than a child."

www.youtube.com/watch

That implies late teens/barely legal. Creepy. And I can't believe I made myself suffer listening to her raspy voice trying to find that line.

Well for one, from the perspective of a thousand years that a matriarch can attain the first one hundred years are mostly childhood and barely beyond that. If anyone would live even only several hundred years, the accumulated wisdom will make anything in the first third of one's life seem childish. Speaking from personal experience - working on my 4th decade, I look back at things I did and believed at 20 or 25 years age as utterly "immature" and "childishly naive"....which does not mean someone of that age was a child or even close to being considered one by one's peers

Nevermind that even in western society depending upon local social strata adulthood and the child/teenage/adult borders vary massively in our own age.
In most of western Europe, 16+ year olds may imbibe most alcohol ( and anything after legal maturity at age 18 ) , in the US only 21+ year old adults... despite having been trusted to drive cars at age 16 and vote at age 18... or fight for their country as soldiers...... all of these limits are imposed  "to protect youth". It's just that the takes on when youth and teenage irresponsibility end and adulthood begins.
There are similar differing takes on legal accountability (far more restrictive in the US in comparison to more lenient Europe, especially in criminal courts and vast differences even there ) and consensual intercourse amongst/with teenagers. Variation of easily 25% - 30% in comparative ages or more are the norm. Neither extreme being inherently wrong.
If even humans with a mostly similar background, values and interlinked traditions have varying takes on that, Asari, a race with a much older, slower developing, culture most certainly will do as well.  Nevermind personal idosyncraties and preferences. 
As an Asari, Liara is not tied to human standards, and where other young Asari over-indulge in their sexuality, she has gone a rather cerebral route, focusing on academic learning instead. More power to her for not being atypical Asari bimbo-stripper or commando

If one views Liara as barely having outgrown her "teens" they are welcome. By another group's standards though she may be viewed as having been an adult for half her life with equal validity

[achwas]

Stokely wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Heheheh! No drell for you, what about hanar?

Hanar are awesome! Seriously, who doesn't love hanar?

Sure, they do make for a terribly tasty seafood jelly.......