Just checking in to see how the thread is going. I see people hate Jack and the Turian Councillor the most... I see GuardianAngel470 still has his/her knickers in a twist over legitimate reasons to not like a character... Oh, and some people are completely missing the point! I'm glad to see the disclaimer i put on my original post is completely !@#$-ing useless
Characters You don't like and Why. (Resonable discussion)
Débuté par
DoomMech
, oct. 23 2010 01:23
Retour en haut
#52
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 03:04
GodWood
-
- Members
- 7 954 messages
Oh and my contributions to the thread.
Miranda and Jacob
Miranda and Jacob
#53
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 03:24
Fiery Phoenix
-
- Members
- 18 922 messages
I love you. You're the bestest.Collider wrote...
There's no character I especially dislike, but some of them I wished had been portrayed differently.
#54
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 04:52
Water Dumple
-
- Members
- 706 messages
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Water Dumple wrote...
Because Mass Effect is clearly intended for realism, with the race of sentient starships harvesting civilized life in the Milky Way every 50,000 years, an element that gains mass when a positive charge is applied or loses mass when a negative charge is applied, a giant Terminator robot, space magic telepathy, self-aware autonomous machines, and the likes.
Most of the characters in Mass Effect are clearly written to be liked by certain people; they're more clean-cut and appealing than real individuals, even behind their three-dimensional development designs. Jacob, for instance, is a failure as a character because he is supposed to be likeable but isn't. Garrus is a successful character because he is supposed to be likeable by many players, and he certainly accomplishes that goal (the same could be said of most if not all characters with large threads and followings). A character attempting to fit reality, therefore, is out of place because the rest were crafted to be appealing--and I don't think Jack is attempting to fit reality at all. She remains a success given the number of people in the demographic she appeals to; I am simply not one of those people, for several reasons.
So you would rather Bioware create characters that appealed to certain demographics instead of create realistic or at the very least believable characters?
This is exactly what they already do. Taking some random characters out of video games in general, and then taking the same percentage out of Mass Effect and comparing the two groups, you will probably find a much higher fraction of Mass Effect characters appealing. And that's exactly the intention: Mass Effect presents a world better than reality; it contains driving conflict of course, yet the characters are more beautiful than reality, the art style is more beautiful than reality, the dialogue is more ideal than reality, and so on. I don't see why that's a problem, because it's a video game. You play it to feel good, and Mass Effect does that by placing you in a well-rendered world containing conflict but with most of the extra complications removed; it's enjoyable and I think it certainly earned the 94.09% it holds on Gamerankings.
I find that a rather strange request. Ignoring for a moment the idea that in literature it is the goal of the writer to create believable characters, tailoring to a demographic diminishes the work as a whole. You end up using stereotypes instead of unique characters. Stereotypes are that for a reason, they are widely held images of personalities or races that are shallow and lazy to include in any work of fiction.
Mass Effect 2 characters already are stereotypical in their own ways, the difference is merely that their entire structure is three-dimensional enough that you either don't notice it or can easily forgive it. They take the better part of stereotypes, and combine them with appealing characteristics to the point where you pretty much only get the more appealing part of the stereotype--so long as the character appeals to your demographic. However, if the character falls outside of that range for your personal tastes, it provokes a negative response. A good example is Miranda's sex appeal; some people like the character for it, some people hate the character for it. Bioware, however, captures the middle-ground people by giving Miranda some more widely-appealing characteristics and a three-dimensional character development, and winds up getting the benefits of both. But if you take that off and reduce the characters to their stereotypes, Miranda is the box art sex appeal, Grunt is the gung-ho football jockey, Mordin is the mad scientist, and so on.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, because games don't need to represent reality like literature or film might need to. Jack simply falls outside my range of appeal, and you're effectively arguing over an opinion, which I posted here because of this: This thread is dedicated to characters YOU personally don't like for whatever reason.
Modifié par Water Dumple, 23 octobre 2010 - 04:54 .
#55
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 05:10
dgumb
-
- Members
- 401 messages
DoomMech wrote...
Just checking in to see how the thread is going. I see people hate Jack and the Turian Councillor the most... I see GuardianAngel470 still has his/her knickers in a twist over legitimate reasons to not like a character... Oh, and some people are completely missing the point! I'm glad to see the disclaimer i put on my original post is completely !@#$-ing useless
Haha, I don't think it was useless. People have disagreed in the thread, but that's to be expected. I don't think the thread has gone the way of flame war yet.
#56
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 06:16
pharos_gryphon
-
- Members
- 293 messages
- Miranda: Could not stand her, but that's a matter of taste however as it was moreso that she herself annoyed the hell out of me, rather than being a case of poor writing.
- Jacob: Far too bland, and if you're male and/or not romancing him, he has litterally ZERO to say to you throughout the game.
- Garrus: Same as Jacob, if you're not romancing him there's next to nothing to talk to him on, which makes me sad as he was my favorite and I was really looking forward to his development.
- Kelly: She... rather seemed a bit like the local merry go round, to put it nicely. The concept of her character seemed rather cool at first, and I suppose seemingly being happy to get into everyone's pants would make her a bit more effective at ferreting out secrets, but the implementation had her come off like an easy college girl rather than a chief spy for Shepard and The Illusive Man.
- Harbinger: You know, I was happy and unhappy with this guy. I think it was an awesome concept, but I think it was a missed opportunity to add a bit of depth via conflict to the character. Presumably he's a bit different from your stock Collector, so perhaps a bit of genetic flashback, particularly when near to Shepard due to the Protean beacon interaction... something. Anything to give him a bit more depth would have been a bonus.
- Zaeed: He was another whose lack of conversations really bugged me. I mean I understand more in his case that he's a DLC char, but even Kasumi seemed to have more to talk about than him whenever you happened her way. Honestly, other than Thane and Mordin, it felt like if you weren't romancing them, you didn't exist as far as many crew was concerned.
- Anderson/Udina: I was really disappointed that there was only that one real interaction with them, and a single added talk point after Horizon. I would have figured there to be a little more back and forth, particularly considering some of my decisions. A bit at the end of things, after dealing with the Collector Base. Or perhaps something immediately following obtaining the IFF. Or even a secure transmission in the briefing room at some point. Something.
- Jacob: Far too bland, and if you're male and/or not romancing him, he has litterally ZERO to say to you throughout the game.
- Garrus: Same as Jacob, if you're not romancing him there's next to nothing to talk to him on, which makes me sad as he was my favorite and I was really looking forward to his development.
- Kelly: She... rather seemed a bit like the local merry go round, to put it nicely. The concept of her character seemed rather cool at first, and I suppose seemingly being happy to get into everyone's pants would make her a bit more effective at ferreting out secrets, but the implementation had her come off like an easy college girl rather than a chief spy for Shepard and The Illusive Man.
- Harbinger: You know, I was happy and unhappy with this guy. I think it was an awesome concept, but I think it was a missed opportunity to add a bit of depth via conflict to the character. Presumably he's a bit different from your stock Collector, so perhaps a bit of genetic flashback, particularly when near to Shepard due to the Protean beacon interaction... something. Anything to give him a bit more depth would have been a bonus.
- Zaeed: He was another whose lack of conversations really bugged me. I mean I understand more in his case that he's a DLC char, but even Kasumi seemed to have more to talk about than him whenever you happened her way. Honestly, other than Thane and Mordin, it felt like if you weren't romancing them, you didn't exist as far as many crew was concerned.
- Anderson/Udina: I was really disappointed that there was only that one real interaction with them, and a single added talk point after Horizon. I would have figured there to be a little more back and forth, particularly considering some of my decisions. A bit at the end of things, after dealing with the Collector Base. Or perhaps something immediately following obtaining the IFF. Or even a secure transmission in the briefing room at some point. Something.
#57
Guest_Meta Ray Mek_*
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 06:24
Guest_Meta Ray Mek_*
Guest_Meta Ray Mek_*
-
- Guests
Zaeed: Lack of conversation was a turn-off and he really doesn't offer anything to the table, whereas Kasumi does.
Morinth: Try to excuse her actions however you want, a sexual predator/rapist is still a sexual predator/rapist. She may not have had a choice in being an Ardat-Yakshi, but she willingly chose the path she took. Brainwashed an entire village (incl. the children)? Seduced/raped and killed an innocent girl? Nothing redeeming about her and nothing of value is lost when I see Samara kill her.
Legion: You get it too late in the game of it to be any real interest or value. Easily forgettable, if you ask me.
Grunt: Never saw the appeal. So he's a tankbred krogan. Even in his loyalty mission, there's no real conflict or anything of the sorts. He's about a bland as Zaeed, though his only saving grace is that you can headbutt a krogan in his Loyalty Mission.
Morinth: Try to excuse her actions however you want, a sexual predator/rapist is still a sexual predator/rapist. She may not have had a choice in being an Ardat-Yakshi, but she willingly chose the path she took. Brainwashed an entire village (incl. the children)? Seduced/raped and killed an innocent girl? Nothing redeeming about her and nothing of value is lost when I see Samara kill her.
Legion: You get it too late in the game of it to be any real interest or value. Easily forgettable, if you ask me.
Grunt: Never saw the appeal. So he's a tankbred krogan. Even in his loyalty mission, there's no real conflict or anything of the sorts. He's about a bland as Zaeed, though his only saving grace is that you can headbutt a krogan in his Loyalty Mission.
#58
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 06:44
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
Liara is probably my least favorite character because she's just written so terribly. Logically she should have no place in ME2 as anything other than a name-drop or maybe a really short cameo. She was a poor choice to star in the Redemption comic (then again that whole plot-line was a horrible concept) because having Liara run around acting like a badass commando is completely out of character. Liara's purpose in the first game was to help us understand the beacon vision due to her expertise on the Protheans. Completely rewriting her character to make her a vengeful, ass-kicking, information broker is just terrible.
#59
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 06:49
aeetos21
-
- Members
- 1 478 messages
Okay, I'll bite.
I think BW did a perfect job with all its characters, even the ones I despise. They represent so many... parts of society, nearly all of them, and guess what? Not everyone has the opinions on different parts of society. If we loved all of them I'd be pissed, the game would be boring, and I would've never have gotten into the ME franchise to begin let alone by ME1's sequel.
That said since I'm a Miranda fan I'll agree with the sex symbol thing (anyone who says otherwise needs to have their eyes checked) and if that was all she was - a barbie doll that talked - then she'd be on my crap list also. As it is her storyline and being the ice to Ashley's fire really grabbed me and I honestly think she was the most interesting LI in both games. However that's my opinion and hardly the point of this thread.
What is RIDICULOUS is saying she's worthless in combat! Anyone who has played on insanity knows there's three very good reasons why she should be a part of nearly every squad and they go like this:
1) Overload
2) Warp
3) Squad health and weapon percentage increases
She may not have the highest dps herself but when you factor in her squad bonuses/buffs contributions (+15% total squad dps with Cerberus Leader specialization) her dps is easily on par with any other squadmate. Hell even Christina Norman advised players to take her along in most insanity level missions because she can bust every form of shielding. On lower difficulties she's less valuable and can easily subsituted but on the higher ones? If you're just starting out on insanity and not used to every enemy being shielded it's probably a good idea to have someone in your corner that can handle any situation.
And in the end, she changes - even Liara mentions this given her first impression of the Cerberus Operative she met in the comic - so... definitely not everyone's favorite character in most parts of ME2 but if she gets to be a squadmate again in ME3 I think we'll see a Miranda closely resembling the one in the later parts of ME2 which a lot of people really liked.
I think BW did a perfect job with all its characters, even the ones I despise. They represent so many... parts of society, nearly all of them, and guess what? Not everyone has the opinions on different parts of society. If we loved all of them I'd be pissed, the game would be boring, and I would've never have gotten into the ME franchise to begin let alone by ME1's sequel.
That said since I'm a Miranda fan I'll agree with the sex symbol thing (anyone who says otherwise needs to have their eyes checked) and if that was all she was - a barbie doll that talked - then she'd be on my crap list also. As it is her storyline and being the ice to Ashley's fire really grabbed me and I honestly think she was the most interesting LI in both games. However that's my opinion and hardly the point of this thread.
What is RIDICULOUS is saying she's worthless in combat! Anyone who has played on insanity knows there's three very good reasons why she should be a part of nearly every squad and they go like this:
1) Overload
2) Warp
3) Squad health and weapon percentage increases
She may not have the highest dps herself but when you factor in her squad bonuses/buffs contributions (+15% total squad dps with Cerberus Leader specialization) her dps is easily on par with any other squadmate. Hell even Christina Norman advised players to take her along in most insanity level missions because she can bust every form of shielding. On lower difficulties she's less valuable and can easily subsituted but on the higher ones? If you're just starting out on insanity and not used to every enemy being shielded it's probably a good idea to have someone in your corner that can handle any situation.
And in the end, she changes - even Liara mentions this given her first impression of the Cerberus Operative she met in the comic - so... definitely not everyone's favorite character in most parts of ME2 but if she gets to be a squadmate again in ME3 I think we'll see a Miranda closely resembling the one in the later parts of ME2 which a lot of people really liked.
#60
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:18
DoomMech
-
- Members
- 224 messages
aeetos21 wrote...
Okay, I'll bite.
I think BW did a perfect job with all its characters, even the ones I despise. They represent so many... parts of society, nearly all of them, and guess what? Not everyone has the opinions on different parts of society. If we loved all of them I'd be pissed, the game would be boring, and I would've never have gotten into the ME franchise to begin let alone by ME1's sequel.
That said since I'm a Miranda fan I'll agree with the sex symbol thing (anyone who says otherwise needs to have their eyes checked) and if that was all she was - a barbie doll that talked - then she'd be on my crap list also. As it is her storyline and being the ice to Ashley's fire really grabbed me and I honestly think she was the most interesting LI in both games. However that's my opinion and hardly the point of this thread.
What is RIDICULOUS is saying she's worthless in combat! Anyone who has played on insanity knows there's three very good reasons why she should be a part of nearly every squad and they go like this:
1) Overload
2) Warp
3) Squad health and weapon percentage increases
She may not have the highest dps herself but when you factor in her squad bonuses/buffs contributions (+15% total squad dps with Cerberus Leader specialization) her dps is easily on par with any other squadmate. Hell even Christina Norman advised players to take her along in most insanity level missions because she can bust every form of shielding. On lower difficulties she's less valuable and can easily subsituted but on the higher ones? If you're just starting out on insanity and not used to every enemy being shielded it's probably a good idea to have someone in your corner that can handle any situation.
And in the end, she changes - even Liara mentions this given her first impression of the Cerberus Operative she met in the comic - so... definitely not everyone's favorite character in most parts of ME2 but if she gets to be a squadmate again in ME3 I think we'll see a Miranda closely resembling the one in the later parts of ME2 which a lot of people really liked.
Beat it. This is a thread for characters you DON'T like. if you want to defend the cheerleader, go to the Miranda Appreciation thread,b ecause you have no need to be here.
#61
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:41
aeetos21
-
- Members
- 1 478 messages
Last time I checked threads were for agreeing and disagreeing - especially when you have to give a reason why you think that way (check thread title). I read your bit about her sucking at combat and debunked it, end of story.
However you're right, this is for characters we don't like so...
Kelly Chambers - annoys me and doesn't have any substance. I see her more as a groupy than an actual LI and it annoys me further that she got a spot that could've been reserved for some other character or simply a VI because her "counseling" didn't amount to much at all. "Jack's tattoos are beautiful, as colorful as her past no doubt... She uses sex casually so I wouldn't advise sleeping with her if you want her respect". And this surprises anyone why? Anyway Urz would'be been fun as hell to see running around the Normandy instead.
Liara in both games - spineless in the first one and psycho in the second (resembling a lot more of Benezia than herself) nuff said.
Ashley annoyed me at the start of ME1 because of her racism, at the end of ME1 I came around. But when she meets you on Horizon? I think I liked Liara's greeting better.
Tali... mixed bag, her youthful enthusiasm annoyed me from the start in ME1 and carried all the way through. ME2 though she came around and I liked her better.
I thought I'd like Subject Zero (back when we all saw her trailer prior to ME2's release and people were badmouthing BW for including her). I liked her because she was edgy and mixed things up. Her romance is good, as well as warp ammo, but other then that... I always roll my eyes before heading down into the lower engineering when I have to hash it out with her.
Zaeed, yeah I use him a lot because he's a tank and dishes out in combat but other than that? Get over yourself! So you're a badass, the Terminus system is crawling with them. He has cool cutscenes in his loyalty mission, ejecting a spent clip into the pool of gasoline, but otherwise? Inferno grenade and sniper/assault can easily be replaced.
However you're right, this is for characters we don't like so...
Kelly Chambers - annoys me and doesn't have any substance. I see her more as a groupy than an actual LI and it annoys me further that she got a spot that could've been reserved for some other character or simply a VI because her "counseling" didn't amount to much at all. "Jack's tattoos are beautiful, as colorful as her past no doubt... She uses sex casually so I wouldn't advise sleeping with her if you want her respect". And this surprises anyone why? Anyway Urz would'be been fun as hell to see running around the Normandy instead.
Liara in both games - spineless in the first one and psycho in the second (resembling a lot more of Benezia than herself) nuff said.
Ashley annoyed me at the start of ME1 because of her racism, at the end of ME1 I came around. But when she meets you on Horizon? I think I liked Liara's greeting better.
Tali... mixed bag, her youthful enthusiasm annoyed me from the start in ME1 and carried all the way through. ME2 though she came around and I liked her better.
I thought I'd like Subject Zero (back when we all saw her trailer prior to ME2's release and people were badmouthing BW for including her). I liked her because she was edgy and mixed things up. Her romance is good, as well as warp ammo, but other then that... I always roll my eyes before heading down into the lower engineering when I have to hash it out with her.
Zaeed, yeah I use him a lot because he's a tank and dishes out in combat but other than that? Get over yourself! So you're a badass, the Terminus system is crawling with them. He has cool cutscenes in his loyalty mission, ejecting a spent clip into the pool of gasoline, but otherwise? Inferno grenade and sniper/assault can easily be replaced.
Modifié par aeetos21, 23 octobre 2010 - 07:59 .
#62
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:46
Ryzaki
-
- Members
- 34 398 messages
I forgot about Liara...she's a bit obsessed with my renegade Shep who was a complete (well renegon) douchebag to her. Why exactly is she trying to find his body?
and then my poor Paragon Shep who romanced her is wondering why she's acting like a frigid b**** when he first meets her. Hell she's the one who handed him over to crazy ass Cerberus.
and then my poor Paragon Shep who romanced her is wondering why she's acting like a frigid b**** when he first meets her. Hell she's the one who handed him over to crazy ass Cerberus.
#63
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:47
aeetos21
-
- Members
- 1 478 messages
Also it annoys me when BW oversexualizes characters especially when they're supposed to be commandos on a suicide mission: the ones that stand out most are Miranda, Jack, Samara, and Jacob. I'd rather see them in blue suns armor than the armor they were given.
#64
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:47
kraidy1117
-
- Members
- 14 910 messages
Garrus (ME2): Don't hate him, but he needs a lot of works. No dev and wasted potential
Tali(ME2): Don't like the way they are taking her character
Jacob: Unfinshed, needs new writer
Jack: Way to cliche for my liking
Morinth: Do I really need to state my reasons.
Kasumi and Zaeed: Needs a dialog wheel
Tali(ME2): Don't like the way they are taking her character
Jacob: Unfinshed, needs new writer
Jack: Way to cliche for my liking
Morinth: Do I really need to state my reasons.
Kasumi and Zaeed: Needs a dialog wheel
Modifié par kraidy1117, 23 octobre 2010 - 07:50 .
#65
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:51
Ryzaki
-
- Members
- 34 398 messages
aeetos21 wrote...
Also it annoys me when BW oversexualizes characters especially when they're supposed to be commandos on a suicide mission: the ones that stand out most are Miranda, Jack, Samara, and Jacob. I'd rather see them in blue suns armor than the armor they were given.
Jacob's shirt armor makes me facepalm. It's as bad as Miranda's skin tight bodysuit.
WTF BW? If they don't have to wear armor why does my ShepSue have too? I look ridiculously overdressed!
Realistically speaking they should've been looking like swiss cheese in certain sigments of the game.
...And Jack's chest is so fascinating the Quarians risk infection just to get a glimpse apparently. <_< Same with Samara's cleavage and that bit of Miranda's skin in her default outfit.
#66
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:56
kraidy1117
-
- Members
- 14 910 messages
You also missed Samara, Mordin, Kasumi, Zaeed and Grunt. They also show skin.Ryzaki wrote...
aeetos21 wrote...
Also it annoys me when BW oversexualizes characters especially when they're supposed to be commandos on a suicide mission: the ones that stand out most are Miranda, Jack, Samara, and Jacob. I'd rather see them in blue suns armor than the armor they were given.
Jacob's shirt armor makes me facepalm. It's as bad as Miranda's skin tight bodysuit.
WTF BW? If they don't have to wear armor why does my ShepSue have too? I look ridiculously overdressed!
Realistically speaking they should've been looking like swiss cheese in certain sigments of the game.
...And Jack's chest is so fascinating the Quarians risk infection just to get a glimpse apparently. <_< Same with Samara's cleavage and that bit of Miranda's skin in her default outfit.
#67
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 07:58
Ryzaki
-
- Members
- 34 398 messages
kraidy1117 wrote...
You also missed Samara, Mordin, Kasumi, Zaeed and Grunt. They also show skin.Ryzaki wrote...
aeetos21 wrote...
Also it annoys me when BW oversexualizes characters especially when they're supposed to be commandos on a suicide mission: the ones that stand out most are Miranda, Jack, Samara, and Jacob. I'd rather see them in blue suns armor than the armor they were given.
Jacob's shirt armor makes me facepalm. It's as bad as Miranda's skin tight bodysuit.
WTF BW? If they don't have to wear armor why does my ShepSue have too? I look ridiculously overdressed!
Realistically speaking they should've been looking like swiss cheese in certain sigments of the game.
...And Jack's chest is so fascinating the Quarians risk infection just to get a glimpse apparently. <_< Same with Samara's cleavage and that bit of Miranda's skin in her default outfit.
True. The ridiculous size of the list is even more wallbangery.
You know I wonder if BW realized that makes Shep look like they suck. Most of their companions can run around in clothes while I'm forced into bulky armor.
#68
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:00
kraidy1117
-
- Members
- 14 910 messages
Well to be fair, Zaeed, Mordin and Gruntdo have armour.Ryzaki wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
You also missed Samara, Mordin, Kasumi, Zaeed and Grunt. They also show skin.Ryzaki wrote...
aeetos21 wrote...
Also it annoys me when BW oversexualizes characters especially when they're supposed to be commandos on a suicide mission: the ones that stand out most are Miranda, Jack, Samara, and Jacob. I'd rather see them in blue suns armor than the armor they were given.
Jacob's shirt armor makes me facepalm. It's as bad as Miranda's skin tight bodysuit.
WTF BW? If they don't have to wear armor why does my ShepSue have too? I look ridiculously overdressed!
Realistically speaking they should've been looking like swiss cheese in certain sigments of the game.
...And Jack's chest is so fascinating the Quarians risk infection just to get a glimpse apparently. <_< Same with Samara's cleavage and that bit of Miranda's skin in her default outfit.
True. The ridiculous size of the list is even more wallbangery.
You know I wonder if BW realized that makes Shep look like they suck. Most of their companions can run around in clothes while I'm forced into bulky armor.
Mordin only shows skin because he lacks a helmet.
Zaeed wears armour, but has one of his arms bare and Grunt has the most armour but has both his arms bear, I let those characters slide.
Jack, miranda, Samara and Kasumi however? No they don't get off easy.
Modifié par kraidy1117, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:05 .
#69
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:13
kraidy1117
-
- Members
- 14 910 messages
You said no flaming, you did not say people could not argue.DoomMech wrote...
Just checking in to see how the thread is going. I see people hate Jack and the Turian Councillor the most... I see GuardianAngel470 still has his/her knickers in a twist over legitimate reasons to not like a character... Oh, and some people are completely missing the point! I'm glad to see the disclaimer i put on my original post is completely !@#$-ing useless
#70
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:16
aeetos21
-
- Members
- 1 478 messages
Lol, ME3 BW's response is to put them all in nun and priest outfits. LMAO, Jack dressed like a nun or something. Kasumi... yeah she definitely flaunted it but the only part I paid real attention to it was when she did her landing after that kickass scene when she took down Hock's gunship shields and at that moment I more distracted by wtf just happened than her split. But it wasn't like BW did all these ass shots or from head to toe looks like they did with Miranda and even to Jacob.
Pissed me off when Miranda's making this reasonable case like, "hey my sister is in trouble and I need your help" and then it immediately shifts to her butt (leaning across the desk) and Shepard pretending not to notice. Can yah be more obvious?
Samara's... I'm kinda at that point where maybe full biotic users should be in modified armor to allow more easier use of their biotics because they are essentially the wizard classes of Mass Effect and in other games and stories the robes and lighter clothing always enhances their abilities or in this case biotics.
If we look at it like that then technically Jack has the most "suitable" armor but even still I was more than grateful when I did her loyalty mission and she got her alternative outfit - very grateful. Jacob is essentially a soldier with a few biotic abilities so I could see him getting more armor. Miranda is a sentinel, plain and simple, something akin to the light armor we saw in ME1 would be best (then again her job as a femme fatale and seduction is designed to give her an edge so... maybe debatable). Samara was definitely designed to appear sort of like an African Goddess or something of the sort. I'm trying to mentally compare her armor to Halle Barry's in X-Men when she portrayed Storm and I think if BW went more along that route and saved the trashy leotard for her daughter she would've gotten a better response in the clothing department.
Anyway, easy fix for this annoyance is to do what BW did with Jack. If people didn't like the harness she wore as a top then her altenate outfit was a chestpiece that was a bit more conservative but still fit her character. Of course that was an easy fix because all BW has to do is adjust the skin to be less revealing. If they wanted to do the same for Miranda, Jacob, and Samara then they'd actually have to create new dimensions for the increase in armor protection. But even that shouldn't be too difficult when we think of all the different armors are squadmates in ME1 wore, so...
Annoying
Pissed me off when Miranda's making this reasonable case like, "hey my sister is in trouble and I need your help" and then it immediately shifts to her butt (leaning across the desk) and Shepard pretending not to notice. Can yah be more obvious?
Samara's... I'm kinda at that point where maybe full biotic users should be in modified armor to allow more easier use of their biotics because they are essentially the wizard classes of Mass Effect and in other games and stories the robes and lighter clothing always enhances their abilities or in this case biotics.
If we look at it like that then technically Jack has the most "suitable" armor but even still I was more than grateful when I did her loyalty mission and she got her alternative outfit - very grateful. Jacob is essentially a soldier with a few biotic abilities so I could see him getting more armor. Miranda is a sentinel, plain and simple, something akin to the light armor we saw in ME1 would be best (then again her job as a femme fatale and seduction is designed to give her an edge so... maybe debatable). Samara was definitely designed to appear sort of like an African Goddess or something of the sort. I'm trying to mentally compare her armor to Halle Barry's in X-Men when she portrayed Storm and I think if BW went more along that route and saved the trashy leotard for her daughter she would've gotten a better response in the clothing department.
Anyway, easy fix for this annoyance is to do what BW did with Jack. If people didn't like the harness she wore as a top then her altenate outfit was a chestpiece that was a bit more conservative but still fit her character. Of course that was an easy fix because all BW has to do is adjust the skin to be less revealing. If they wanted to do the same for Miranda, Jacob, and Samara then they'd actually have to create new dimensions for the increase in armor protection. But even that shouldn't be too difficult when we think of all the different armors are squadmates in ME1 wore, so...
Annoying
Modifié par aeetos21, 23 octobre 2010 - 08:19 .
#71
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:29
Barquiel
-
- Members
- 5 843 messages
Mr. Can it wait a minute? I'm in the middle of some calibrations!
Tali: I just don't like "little sister" characters (Imoen, Mission Vao,etc.), her voice in annoying
Jacob's romance could be better^_^
I'm not very fond of "cool assassins"...Therefore Thane isn't exactly my favorite.
Tali: I just don't like "little sister" characters (Imoen, Mission Vao,etc.), her voice in annoying
Jacob's romance could be better^_^
I'm not very fond of "cool assassins"...Therefore Thane isn't exactly my favorite.
#72
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:30
kraidy1117
-
- Members
- 14 910 messages
You just don't like Thane because he kills Nassana BarqBarquiel wrote...
Mr. Can it wait a minute? I'm in the middle of some calibrations!
Tali: I just don't like "little sister" characters (Imoen, Mission Vao,etc.), her voice in annoying
Jacob's romance could be better^_^
I'm not very fond of "cool assassins"...Therefore Thane isn't exactly my favorite.
#73
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:34
PROKNIFER69
-
- Members
- 193 messages
Miranda: A ****y woman who's arse always seems to get more screen time than her face.
Ash: racist.
there are other characters i dont like but their personality is ment to p!ss you off so im not gonna bother posting their names.
Ash: racist.
there are other characters i dont like but their personality is ment to p!ss you off so im not gonna bother posting their names.
#74
Guest_mrsph_*
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:34
Guest_mrsph_*
Guest_mrsph_*
-
- Guests
My least favorite character in the series so far is Miranda, for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is because she simply does not seem to have a consistent personality at all on Lazarus she seemed interesting and acted like the femme fatale she was portrayed as being in the character trailers. But after Freedom's Progress? She goes into some weird friendly mode and starts answering all your questions when she was standoffish before. It is almost like they switched writers for her at some point.
My second reason for disliking her is her rather sudden betrayal of Cerberus at the end of the Suicide Mission. There was no build up to this whatsoever and it just feels so out of left field when she was a huge Cerberus apologist throughout the entirety of the game.
My third reason is that in every conversation in the game seems to have an unhealthy obession with focusing on her breasts and ass. I know videogames tend to oversexualize women but the conversations with Miranda just started to get creepy and laughable when the camera just leaps away from her face and sticks the conversation wheel on her ass.
Despite the above I don't actually hate Miranda (hate is too strong of a word to apply to it) she is just my least favorite character in the game. Not counting Morinth who I barely view as a character.
My second reason for disliking her is her rather sudden betrayal of Cerberus at the end of the Suicide Mission. There was no build up to this whatsoever and it just feels so out of left field when she was a huge Cerberus apologist throughout the entirety of the game.
My third reason is that in every conversation in the game seems to have an unhealthy obession with focusing on her breasts and ass. I know videogames tend to oversexualize women but the conversations with Miranda just started to get creepy and laughable when the camera just leaps away from her face and sticks the conversation wheel on her ass.
Despite the above I don't actually hate Miranda (hate is too strong of a word to apply to it) she is just my least favorite character in the game. Not counting Morinth who I barely view as a character.
#75
Posté 23 octobre 2010 - 08:38
kraidy1117
-
- Members
- 14 910 messages
If Ash is a racist then I am the tooth fairy.
