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[Ryzaki]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

Also it annoys me when BW oversexualizes characters especially when they're supposed to be commandos on a suicide mission: the ones that stand out most are Miranda, Jack, Samara, and Jacob. I'd rather see them in blue suns armor than the armor they were given.

Jacob's shirt armor makes me facepalm. It's as bad as Miranda's skin tight bodysuit. 

WTF BW? If they don't have to wear armor why does my ShepSue have too? I look ridiculously overdressed! 

Realistically speaking they should've been looking like swiss cheese in certain sigments of the game. 

...And Jack's chest is so fascinating the Quarians risk infection just to get a glimpse apparently. <_< Same with Samara's cleavage and that bit of Miranda's skin in her default outfit. 

You also missed Samara, Mordin, Kasumi, Zaeed and Grunt. They also show skin.

True. The ridiculous size of the list is even more wallbangery. 

You know I wonder if BW realized that makes Shep look like they suck. Most of their companions can run around in clothes while I'm forced into bulky armor. 

Well to be fair, Zaeed, Mordin and Gruntdo have armour.

Mordin only shows skin because he lacks a helmet.

Zaeed wears armour, but has one of his arms bare and Grunt has the most armour but has both his arms bear, I let those characters slide.


Jack, miranda, Samara and Kasumi however? No they don't get off easy.

And don't get me started on those ridculous breather masks that expose parts of their face. 

[GuardianAngel470]

Brodyaha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

Ash shows some racism at the start but also makes some pretty valid points - Turians would side with Turians and Asari with Asari and so on. One of the reasons I sided with saving the Council was because if humanity wanted to be accepted into the greater galactic community then it'd have to take the first steps to start the process. What better way than savin the Council's combined stupid asses - not to mention the 10k asari on board the ascension. Even still at the end she argues not to throw away the human lives for the council, as do other squadmates (I know Wrex is one but I can't remember who the other is). On the other hand she sympathized with Liara when Benezia was killed so...?

You do know Wrex, Garrus, Ash, Tali and Liara will tell you to let the council die depanding on who is with you right?

In my most recent playthrough (yesterday), Tali argued that I should save the Alliance forces to wait and take down Sovereign.
She also shot Saren in the head.

It really depends on the squadmates.

And tbh, the squadmate arguing to focus on Sovereign has a point.

Actually, it doesn't so much matter who is with you but who the other person is. Tali has dialog for both sides of the argument, there's a video on youtube of it.

[Ryzaki]

You mean the video with her arguing with herself? Oh god that was lulz.



Do they still do that in ME2?

[mllrthyme]

Ryzaki wrote...
And don't get me started on those ridculous breather masks that expose parts of their face. 

Ugh, I know!  I kept waiting for their eyeballs to freeze or the like.

As far as characters I dislike, I have to say I have a love/hate relationship with all the squaddies.  There are certain aspects that I enjoy, and then there are characteristics that leave me confused.
I'd have to say I dislike Morinth and never recruit her.  The scene during Samara's loyalty mission where she discusses her musical and artistic preferences just annoys me.  The word "poser" comes to mind.
Jack also irritates me, but not for the usual reasons.  I think her character is relateively well written and just screams personality disorder.  However, given her history and potential mental health diagnosis, I don't feel her paragon romance fits into character at all.
Lastly, Garrus.  Don't get me wrong, I adored his character in ME1, but felt let down by lack of substance in ME2.  I believe that there was quite a bit of potential there, but was extremely disappointed that he didn't have more dialogue.  Stupid calibrations.

[Costin_Razvan]

Miranda: I could say DAT ASS here and be done with it, but it's not just about that. Her starting attitude "I'm always right" sucked to be fair...but for most of the game I liked her and her conversations about Cerberus and stuff.



But when her loyalty mission hit...well I just went from liking her to I want to kill this **** now. I just felt that her entire personality before it had been a complete and utter lie....and it went all down the drain.



Grunt: Now as a stand alone character he is great, nothing to argue about that....it's just that I really hate how they shafted Wrex from ME1 in favor of him.



Samara: Bad writing, her concepts as a character are rock solid....her deeper story is ****.



Honorable mention for most hated character.



Ashley: Mass Effect 2 made her look like a self centered, hypocritical ****. In ME1 she was in favor of killing the Rachni and killing the Council, and she was very strong on her feelings for both those actions....and now in ME2 she talks about going too far?



Hell, Kaidan gives you the shaft, but Kaidan has and will ALWAYS be an idealist who does not believe in the ends justifying the means. I was so pissed at Ashley's return in ME2 that I replayed ME1 ( and I utterly hated the grind in that game ) just to kill her on my Male Cannon Shepard.

[DoomMech]

So it seems the thread is going well. I seeing a lot of Miranda hate going around, mostly having to do with her relentlessly ridiculous outfit.

Would it have killed her to put on some functional (but still fashionable) armor hardsuit?

When you do battle in low atmospheric pressure, her blood should decompress out her wound; she'd exsanguinate before your very eyes! 

Modifié par DoomMech, 23 octobre 2010 - 10:57 .

[Ieldra]

I can only say to hate Miranda for her outfit is ridiculous, even more so for the camera angles, since you can't even pretend she chose them herself. Everyone knows both aspects are ridiculous and contrived fanservice, and almost no one likes them, but it's no reason to hate the character.

As for who I don't like, here's the list:

Morinth: I don't need vampires in a Sci-Fi setting. The only character whose mere presence, NPC or team member, regardless, I hate with a passion. She shouldn't be in the game.

Jack: I dislike her attitude and if I had the choice, she wouldn't be on the team. An OK character concept, but totally not appropriate for the mission.

Grunt: Again, an interesting concept, but hey....a teenager-equivalent of a species of bullies? Just what I don't need.

That's it. Then there are the two I like as characters, but whose romances I can't stand: Tali's and Jacob's, both for their respective attitudes.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 octobre 2010 - 11:29 .

[PrinceLionheart]

dgumb wrote...

DoomMech wrote...
I know. But deep down, part of me hoped that it would

Lol, I still don't understand all the hand wringing. The thread hasn't devolved into a flame war as far as I can tell. People have been discussing why they don't like certain characters, others disagree, but it's been largely civil thus far. If you thought that people would just list their reasons and no one would try to counter them, them you haven't been reading these boards enough, hehe.

Again though, I haven't seen any gratuitous insults or flaming yet.

Edit: And this thread is nowhere near as contentious as say, the "Sympathizing with the Quarians" thread, and I wouldn't call that one a flame war either.

Just wait for the "TALI IS OVERRATED" post. 

[DoomMech]

aeetos21 wrote...

Last time I checked threads were for agreeing and disagreeing - especially when you have to give a reason why you think that way (check thread title). I read your bit about her sucking at combat and debunked it, end of story.
.

You've debunked nothing. Remember this is PERSONAL opinions. Debunking a personally held opinion is like trying to calculate the credit score of international billionaire Carlos Slim Helu; it's a moot point.

But allow me to re-bunk Miranda sucking in combat by saying that Sentinal, Engineer and Soldier Shepard all have extremely effective armor killing attacks and weapons. As for barrier busting, Sentinal Shepard, Adept Shepard and Thane (and post loyalty Jack) all can take down barriers with frightening ease. Shields? Childs play; Garrus and Kasumi have Overload, and Zaeed has disrupter ammo.

Combined with fact that you get Kasumi and Zaeed so early in the game, you can neglect Miranda almost right out of the gate.

Her ability to increase health of the team is irrelevent when a cover system is involved, and on insanity, you'll get killed extremely quickly with or without a insignificant boost in health. And besides, almost every squaddie has a class power that boosts their health much more than Miranda ever could.

And on a slightly more unrelated note, her in combat dialouge annoys me to no end.

Modifié par DoomMech, 24 octobre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Raokin]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I can only say to hate Miranda for her outfit is ridiculous, even more so for the camera angles, since you can't even pretend she chose them herself. Everyone knows both aspects are ridiculous and contrived fanservice, and almost no one likes them, but it's no reason to hate the character.

I can't speak for others, of course, but I wasn't saying that I hate Miranda because of her outfit (or even that I hate her at all). It puts me off and annoys me though.  The image and attitude that seem to go along with it keep me from wanting to talk to her in order to get to know her better.

Modifié par Raokin, 24 octobre 2010 - 12:11 .

[Nightwriter]

DoomMech wrote...

Beat it. This is a thread for characters you DON'T like. if you want to defend the cheerleader, go to the Miranda Appreciation thread,b ecause you have no need to be here.

DoomMech, you cannot create a thread for character-bashing and expect people to not respond in defense of their characters.

When you post an opinion you invite counter-opinions. Themz da internetz.

[Ryzaki]

Nightwriter wrote...

DoomMech wrote...

Beat it. This is a thread for characters you DON'T like. if you want to defend the cheerleader, go to the Miranda Appreciation thread,b ecause you have no need to be here.

DoomMech, you cannot create a thread for character-bashing and expect people to not respond in defense of their characters.

When you post an opinion you invite counter-opinions. Themz da internetz.

Though wouldn't it be like posing "OMG Jack is teh suck!" in a Jack appreciation thread? Sure you can post it but you look a little silly doing so. 

[Nightwriter]

Why, no. Because Jack's thread says "JACK APPRECIATION THREAD" and this thread says "REASONABLE DISCUSSION", which invites... discussion. From all parties.

Come on, Ryzaki, you've been to the "Why do we dislike characters thread?" in the CDG. Half the fun is in debating, in figuring out where the dislike comes from.

[Ryzaki]

Nightwriter wrote...

Why, no. Because Jack's thread says "JACK APPRECIATION THREAD" and this thread says "REASONABLE DISCUSSION", which invites... discussion. From all parties.

Come on, Ryzaki, you've been to the "Why do we dislike characters thread?" in the CDG. Half the fun is in debating, in figuring out where the dislike comes from.

But most of the time it declines into "But character X has a reason for being like Y!" 

"Don't care." 

"YOU SHOULD!" 

<_< 

I kind of like and not like ShepSue at the same time. (Yes I call my PC ShepSue). I mean their the biggest badass in the galaxy...but why is it the second Shep steps on the scene everyone else (and heck even most of the time Shep's gone) is so bloody useless? It's like everyone loses 50 IQ points in Shep's presence. (The same also works in reverse but far less often). 

Random Bad guy: Ooh look! Let's capture Commander Shepard who saved the Citadel, single handledly stopped the Batarians, is a Spectre which tend to be one man armies! Whoot! 

Me: *facepalms* 

Though that's not as bad as people not even recognizing you. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 octobre 2010 - 02:37 .

[Collider]

The inability to defend characters in this thread is why Character Discussion Group is so special and awesome :innocent:

[Nightwriter]

Now, now, Ryzaki, we can hardly help it that we're very good at defending Jack.

I mean the CDG can seriously grill you on why you dislike a character, I was grilled so hard on my dislike of Jacob I started to question myself, and I'm the group leader. And our discussions about Samara and Code ethics exhausted me.

But the point is, talking about it is what's fun. Who wants a character-bashing fest where a bunch of haters guffaw and slap each other on the backs? The thread would quickly lose respect and significance.

[Ryzaki]

Nightwriter wrote...

Now, now, Ryzaki, we can hardly help it that we're very good at defending Jack.

I mean the CDG can seriously grill you on why you dislike a character, I was grilled so hard on my dislike of Jacob I started to question myself, and I'm the group leader. And our discussions about Samara and Code ethics exhausted me.

But the point is, talking about it is what's fun. Who wants a character-bashing fest where a bunch of haters guffaw and slap each other on the backs? The thread would quickly lose respect and significance.

And that won't happen regardless. :innocent: ? 

Anyways to keep this on topic. I don't like Tali over much either. She doesn't seem to really do anything. She's sort of just there. Sure she was important (for all of five minutes) in ME1 but in ME2 she could vanish and it wouldn't change the plot much. 

...And the fact that she romances you even if you're a complete douche to her is really...odd. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 octobre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Nightwriter]

Well, I guess I feel like reasons like that don't have much to do with the character.

Tali has much more of a purpose than a chacacter like, say, Thane, who has no actual job on the Normandy and no role in the suicide mission, whereas Tali is chief engineer and can be used as a tech expert in the vents.

I also feel that characters romancing Douche Shepard is a faulty game mechanic on BioWare's part that characters like Miranda, Ashley, Liara and Thane also suffer from.

[Water Dumple]

Thane has a very good, well-constructed basis, so he makes for a decent character. The problem is that he exists for no other reason than to be a cool character. He has no use on the Suicide Mission and his assassination skills are never needed (if he could actually do things like kill Jedore before she sends the Krogan clones at you, he would make sense). He seems like an overall waste, because for all his brilliant design and such, there is simply no reason to include him. He is also one of the only three Drell ever represented in Mass Effect (two without DLC), so Thane seems completely out-of-place.

[Nightwriter]

Well, ME2 excels at awesome characters who have no real purpose but to be awesome.

It's weird, because if you ask me Wrex was a character who was awesome but didn't have any real purpose. Yet I never questioned it. I never asked, "Why is he here?"

I guess when you make it so that characters are supposed to have a reason for being there, it really makes it stick out when they don't have very good reasons for being there. 

[The_Numerator]

Nightwriter wrote...
I also feel that characters romancing Douche Shepard is a faulty game mechanic on BioWare's part that characters like Miranda, Ashley, Liara and Thane also suffer from.

This is so. Frustratingly, bafflingly so.

It's one thing to like an ***hole. It is quite another to be completely enamored with someone who treats you like ****.

Though, that actually happens, I suppose...

Still, one would assume anyone capable enough to make it on the galaxy's A-Team, isn't going to be a complete doormat either.

Modifié par The_Numerator, 24 octobre 2010 - 05:16 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Water Dumple wrote...

Thane has a very good, well-constructed basis, so he makes for a decent character. The problem is that he exists for no other reason than to be a cool character. He has no use on the Suicide Mission and his assassination skills are never needed (if he could actually do things like kill Jedore before she sends the Krogan clones at you, he would make sense). He seems like an overall waste, because for all his brilliant design and such, there is simply no reason to include him. He is also one of the only three Drell ever represented in Mass Effect (two without DLC), so Thane seems completely out-of-place.

I think this would be a case where gameplay becomes story relevant. Thane is pretty useful in combat, he has snipers and biotics. To me, even if he didn't have a specific job to do on the suicide mission, his skills with a devastating weapon type and biotics make him valuable to have anyway.

Kinda like how after EDI becomes the Ship, there's no real need for Joker on the suicide mission. She probably could have reacted faster to the debris, probably could have avoided the Collector vessel's weapons, and overall done everything Joker did only faster. Yet Joker is important because of his skills as a pilot and the fact he isn't an AI. 

We don't necessarily need him, but he is still valuable to have.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 24 octobre 2010 - 05:38 .

[Epic777]

Miranda - Rubs me the wrong way at the start of the game.