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[RPGmom28]

I don't like Miranda, and my reasons are shallow. I hate her big giant butt being thrust into our faces at every camera angle opportunity. I get it. She's your cheesecake. Too bad I'm female and it's just plain irritating.

Grunt is boring. I don't care about the krogan machismo. He's good in combat, but as a character it's hard to care about him.

The consort from ME1. "I would be very grateful." Nuzzle nuzzle. Who said you could rub your head on my shoulder? You're a space hooker. Cooties upon cooties there. Personal space, please.

[achwas]

hmm, of the original (ME-1 ) crew, I dislike(d) only

Kaiden Alenko:
Absolute douchebag, and while his talents proved moderately useful, I really disliked his attitude. My instant and never for a second regretted choice as sacrificial goat on Virmire.

Ashley Williams :
Went from "who cares" to "can't stand her" after the Horizon mission. Her dialog after the Horizon mission, her way of insisting her perspective (which was usually far off the target in ME-1 already) being the only correct one, and not even allowing Shepard to explain herself and her take on why she cooperated with Cerberus.... absolutely unforgivable. Wish I could send her to Virmire retro-actively.

of the ME-2 crew
Jacob :
Just utterly boring in his correctness, lacking wit, lacking humor, lacking self-depreiation. Rather useless set of abilities and weapons to boot, If the armoury had just vented to hard vaccuum, I wouldn't have noticed until the suicide mission. Absolutely has no real purpose in the game.

Jack :
The scripted-to-be-an-a** lady of the nether engine spaces. Since she has useful abilities, I kept her around and suffered her, grinding my teeth, since there is no alternative character with her skillset. Hated her constant "I-had-it-so-d***-hard" complaining, found her "I-am-so-tough" posturing utterly tiring and basically, she added little to the overall story. Yes I felt some pity for her - which was wiped out by her being such an utter sociopath. Someone taking pleasure in inflicting pain and destroying people cannot really expect pity for her own suffering, only some rationalized understanding
Nevermind her absurdly hard loyalty check when locking horns with Miranda. These days I don't even bother with her loyalty mission anymore. And no, I would rather romance a mangy, rabid flea-ridden dog....

Tali :
Found her mildly annoying and naive in ME-1, felt her to be outclassed by the events developing around her. More of the same in ME-2. Her romance option felt utterly ridiculous,in a sad "please protect me, oh mighty Shepard " way.. and in a way undermining any respect I held for her alleged abilities
Saved some points through fun interaction, especially with Garrus and on the Citadel, but probably had the most un-interesting set of powers of the entire crew. Very cool loyalty mission though, another saving grace. then again, I almost never took her along on any other mission.

Samara :
Tiring. Very much so. In fact I felt a constant need to reply "yes mother dear" and ignore anything she actually uttered. Rather redundant set of skills, which caused her to be sidelined except for her LM and the SM bubble-job..... BUT - nice recruitment mission, very nice - because of its unconventional apporach - loyalty mission.
Still, I have actually felt tempted to entirely bypass her on some playthroughs. Ridiculuous outfit didn't help either,,,


Runner-ups

Grunt :
Nice premise, but shoddy execution. Not up to the standards of Wrex, not even close and far more one-dimensional. Least interesting of all loyalty missions, far too little interaction with other characters. But very useful on many missions.

Thane :
Very clichee, but the grandiose (by far the best) voice-acting saves a lot. Nice missions, nice skills, but lacks some real depths and motivations. Unfortunately not even 5% as stylish as he was in the trailers, and - seriously - he is being outclassed as a sniper by Legion ? .... shameful^^

Kelly :
Not really a character but more of a glorified biological assistant V.I... And about as interesting.



Everyone else.... I liked. Garrus, I utterly love, same goes for Legion and Kasumi (kudos for beingun-romancable yet sexy ) , Mordin is a blast, Miranda is challenging and of course, there is always Liara, the lovably neurotic scientist asari^^ Zaeed is cool, if hard to like, but a guy I do seriously care to have in my corner when things go south,
Joker and Chakwas I woudl invite over for a beer/ brandy at any time. Same goes for the engineers.

Modifié par achwas, 25 octobre 2010 - 11:03 .

[Raokin]

achwas wrote...
Thane :
Very clichee, but the grandiose (by far the best) voice-acting saves a lot. Nice missions, nice skills, but lacks some real depths and motivations. Unfortunately not even 5% as stylish as he was in the trailers, and - seriously - he is being outclassed as a sniper by Legion ? .... shameful^^

Lacks real depth and motivation? Care to explain?

If you've gone through the romance dialogue, which adds to his character, it will become clear that Thane is one of, if not the deepest character in the game from an intellectual and emotional perspective.

Modifié par Raokin, 25 octobre 2010 - 11:26 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

RPGmom28 wrote...

I don't like Miranda, and my reasons are shallow. I hate her big giant butt being thrust into our faces at every camera angle opportunity. I get it. She's your cheesecake.

...This is the first time I've seen cheesecake used in that context....

[Ryzaki]

mrsph wrote...

What was exactly so great about Wrex anyway? Not that he is a bad character, but he is just the generic "I'm a badass mercenary" that Bioware loves to throw in. I actually think Grunt was a far deeper character in terms of his development.

 

I don't know other than some funny one liners I don't see what's good about him, Grunt or Zaeed. They're all equally boring to me.  

mllrthyme wrote...
Ugh, I know!  I kept waiting for their eyeballs to freeze or the like.

As far as characters I dislike, I have to say I have a love/hate relationship with all the squaddies.  There are certain aspects that I enjoy, and then there are characteristics that leave me confused.
I'd have to say I dislike Morinth and never recruit her.  The scene during Samara's loyalty mission where she discusses her musical and artistic preferences just annoys me.  The word "poser" comes to mind.
Jack also irritates me, but not for the usual reasons.  I think her character is relateively well written and just screams personality disorder.  However, given her history and potential mental health diagnosis, I don't feel her paragon romance fits into character at all.
Lastly, Garrus.  Don't get me wrong, I adored his character in ME1, but felt let down by lack of substance in ME2.  I believe that there was quite a bit of potential there, but was extremely disappointed that he didn't have more dialogue.  Stupid calibrations.

  

I hadn't thought about her but now that I'm reading this... 

And yeah...calibrations weren't cool. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 octobre 2010 - 01:56 .

[Silentmode]

I either like or at least can appreciate each companion Bioware has made because I understand the work that went into each one but I do have some things that bother me.



Jack: Jack is an interesting character but I think they went overboard with her. They tried to make a strong, morally ambiguous, checkered past female LI (similiar to Morrigan) and in the process went overboard and made her completely unrelatable. While doing her's or Morrigan's romance I have to think to myself "Why would my character all of the sudden feel anything for a women who has done nothing but dissaprove of his every move or insulted and cursed you out at every turn?" Apart from that I do like the clashes she has with Miranda and her loyalty mission is one of the better ones.



Jacob: Only complaint with him is that his loyalty mission is an absolute snooze fest, by far the worst.



Joker in ME1: Yeah, believe it or not I didnt really like Joker in ME he just wasnt very funny to me. They did a good job of making him much much funnier in ME2.



Tali: I like Tali its just her romance I have a problem with, it feels way too much like it was put in just for the purpose of fan service. It feels like Mass Effect went back to high school and Shepard is the senior star quarterback for the football team and Tali is the nerdy freshman with a crush on him.

[dgumb]

mrsph wrote...

What was exactly so great about Wrex anyway? Not that he is a bad character, but he is just the generic "I'm a badass mercenary" that Bioware loves to throw in. I actually think Grunt was a far deeper character in terms of his development.

Actually I kinda agree. I like Grunt a lot more than Wrex, though I concede this is by far the minority opinion. 

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love Wrex too, but I like Grunt more.

Also, I hate the batarian that orders you to go to Afterlife when you first get to Omega (I forget his name, Moklun or something?).

Batarian: Afterlife. Nao!

Shepard:...

*BLAM*[color=rgb(102, 102, 153)"> <span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255)]"Vulnerable anatomy shot!"[/color] 

Modifié par dgumb, 26 octobre 2010 - 01:32 .

[MoeRayShep]

I think Grunt was pretty boring in ME2, obviously the krogan thing gets pretty damned monotonous over time; on the other hand, the whole concept of Warlord Okeer and Wrex re-uniting the clans has the potential to be very interesting in ME3, and I'm seeing what I hope are hints at actual character development for Grunt down the line.
As is,  If I had to choose which krogan I disliked more, I'd say Grunt; Wrex at least has charisma.

That said, two aspects of the crew from ME2 strongly perturbed me:
first of all, is the nearly identical backstory Miranda, Jack, and Grunt have. Seriously, they were all uniquely made to be perfect. We get that you're supposed to feel that your crew is unique somehow, but at some point "unique" becomes "repetitive".
The other thing is the human biotics; it seriously irks me, and I'm not sure if it's just me or if other people feel that the writers should respect their own claim that human biotics are a rarity. I like how ME1 gave you Kaiden, who (in spite of the apparent hate he's getting here) established that biotics are *not* the same thing as Jedi. They're socially isolated, suffer from medical problems, are regarded with suspicion, and generally carry around baggage. In ME2 all your human squadmates are biotics, and only with Jack is it germane to her story.
Jack kind of annoyed me with how ham-fisted and obvious a character she was, but at least the writers really committed to it; I especially enjoyed her dossier in LotSB. The angsty poetry submission really kind of redeemed her appeal.
Jacob, as many others mentioned, is just a really incomplete character. Not annoying, and at times borderline likable, but never quite enough to matter.
Samara got on my nerves. It just made no sense the whole time you're recruiting her why everybody on Ilium is clearly painting her as a dangerous, unstable vigilante and yet for some reason we're supposed to be enamored with her code of honor and skintight glowy biotic chivalry. I just didn't buy any of it.
Thane likewise struck me as a load of BS; they never really attempt to resolve the very obvious moral paradox his character presents, and because of it he just looks like he was put in to be "too cool for school" without any actual substance. His character is so alien that you never really care or understand his motives, and again I felt his biotics were utterly extraneous.

Tali, Garrus, Zaeed, and Kasumi I will all defend. If you dislike Legion or Mordin, then I won't waste my breath because you obviously have no soul.

Modifié par MoeRayShep, 26 octobre 2010 - 01:22 .

[Getorex]

DoomMech wrote...

This thread is dedicated to characters YOU personally don't like for whatever reason.

In addition to the character(s) you post you must also post a justification on why you don't like them.

I'll start first:

Garrus: The guy is a screw up of the highest order. He needs your help to kill Dr. Saleon, Sidonis, Garm, Jarrot etc.etc.
He quits his C-Sec job to go play Space Cowboy with a human commander he never met, his battlecries annoy me, and in battle he usually drops dead first. Oh, and "calibrations"; that alone is worth my contempt.

Miranda: She's arrogant, haughty, and has a weird face. In battle she has little in the way of serious damage dealing attacks, since chances are you're playing a class that outpaces her in DPS against shields and armor. Okay, Samara also has little in the way of anti-armor/barrier/shield powers, but she also has an assault rifle. Lastly, her grand standing will get people killed in deadly mission de jour, and yet her a** is virtually plot proof!.

Jack: Oooh boy, were to begin? She cusses up a storm, is insulting, and needs to put some damn clothes on! The cutscenes and marketing material make her out as a petite biotic superwoman capable of launching robo-tanks into the sky, and yet she has only two attacks that do exactly squat against defenses and close combat weapons, but because of her squishy nature, trying to get her into effective range will just get her killed disco dead. Her tattoos are supposed to be representative of prisons/people/kills, yet they look like a confusing miasma of color and patterns that don't look like anything.

Honorable mentions

Tali: While invaluable in combat with her drone and AI hacking powers (until Legion and his BFG arrive), it strikes me as odd that a young and inexperienced quarian, a spieces not known for durablity, is necessary to the story, while the millenia old biotic tank and highly trained C-sec sniper are completly optional. She very rarely ever talks about anything other than her people (and compares everything to them) which gets monotonous after a while. And yet I can't hate her as much as I do the above. I don't know exactly why, I suspect that a portion of ire comes from her immense (and inexplicable) popularity, and I desperatly don't want to hate her just because she has a bajillion appreciation threads floating around.

Ashley Williams: She's racist, pretentious, and utterly useless in combat. I value versatility, and yet all she can use is guns, I can do that well enough on my own thank you very much! However she's saved by virtue of being able to be safely ignored until she's killed off in a suitably dramatic fashion.

Kelly: What does she do on the ship exactly? Oh, well at least she's friendly.

Go wild, but please, keep the flames to a minimum. These are personal opinions.

 

I like Miranda! Mainly because I see Yvonne Strahovsky in her every time I see her (and Yvonne is so spectaculary yummy). They just goofed by over-sexing her up beyond the perfection that is Yvonne. Miranda didn't need big boobs - Yvonne's far more functional, athletics friendly set were a perfect model. Same for the ass - Yvonne's is fine as is and didn't need "enhancement". As for Miranda's haughtyness, it fit with the nature of her character. Her warp biotic power is quite useful against biotic barriers and whatnot. I am currently running through the suicide mission again (suicidal difficulty) and I almost always bring Miranda along because between my soldier MALE Shep's heavy reave and her warp, we make quick work of Harbinger's barrier and open him up to lessor tech or biotic powers and weapons. She needs armor for battle and...in battle LOSE THE HEELS.

Jack: I LIKE Jack and originally had trouble resisting her as my LI. Later plays I decided she was a little too unrepentantly homocidal and only might go to her for a quick roll in the hay but I do like her. It IS annoying that her biotics are useless until you take down shields of barriers by other means. Dangerous situation at times. And yes, at least in combat she needs some armor, let alone cloths (same with Samarra, Tali, Miranda - at least Ash and Liara got armor in ME1). She is also a nice quick and dirty roll in the hay OR LI (fantastic rendered plush lips and scorching eyes!). Her bod is to die for though but a few fewer tatts would be nicer.

Tali: I'm a non-insane Talimancer/Talibanner or what have you. Like her. A LOT (mainly in ME2, not so much in ME1 because her appearance was a little too alien and not enough human woman-ish. They seem to have improved her physical appeal in ME2 and the writing/voice/behavior is very appealing, hence the Tali love). Excellent in combat WITH Legion whenever you go against Geth (excellent team for Overlord).

Ash. Found her very physically appealing (reminds me of someone but can't put a real face to her) but her religion and racist leanings were annoying. Lose the religion and the alien hate and you would be quite hot Ash. I found her very effective as a teammate because she had THE highest combat scoring addition to your capabilities. Problematic that she lacked any and all tech OR biotic capabilities. EVERYONE should at least have some tech ability if they aren't a biotic. Tech is off-the-shelf!

Garrus: didn't like him in ME1 as a squadmate. I found him to be the one who died first and died often in any and all combat situations until rather late in ME1. He had rice paper armor and poor judgement, ignoring my positioning orders and running pellmell into heavy fire so he could die immediately. I spent most of my medigel keeping Garrus up and moving than anyone else.

Kaiden: Originally, on my first 3 or so plays of ME1 I didn't care for him much. Fairly superfluous with midlin biotics and midlin/weak combat capabilities. In my last, most recent play of ME1 I gave him a little more of a chance and decided I liked him (but killed him anyway on Virmire because...Ash's ass is superior and my Shep was going to bang her. I alway killed Kaiden at that point for that reason...either just because, in spite of her religiosity or racism, I liked looking at Ash.

Wrex: subdued and fairly low key in ME1. NOTHING like Grunt in ME2. I liked/like Wrex (and Grunt) and never ever kill Wrex.

Liara: exactly, down to the last pixel, duplicate body as Ash. Cute face but not quite as button pushing for me as Ash (just don't know what it is about Ash). Appealing in general and fairly useful in combat. My final fight with the Saren/Reaper thing at the end of ME1 is USUALLY a pairing with Ash and Liara. They work well together.

Kelly on ME2: she's just a cute squeeze early in the game before you get to nail any of the other LI's AND is a freebee consolation prize if you don't do an LI at all (you can call her to your room after the suicide mission and view her nice sexy dancing, etc). She's a friend with benefits (and is she the source of the scale itch varren STD Mordin mentions?) I didn't mind her so much being there to tell me a new message arrived, etc. I didn't have to keep checking my messages myself to see. Other than that, just a cute NPC.

Kasumi: Yousa. What. A. Hottie. LOVE the bod on her (take her on Zaeed's loyalty mission just so you can check her out leaning on the rail just before you extend the bridge to get on with the mission after the first combat. Yum frickin' yum.) Too bad her conversation selection was sporadic and very limited. HATED certain aspects of her loyalty mission, mainly at the very end. I do not like the stylish and ridiculous way she scampered and flew up the piping and leaped impossibly high with impossible pause at apogee before landing on the gunship. Silly and cartoonish to an unnecessary degree (some kind of salute to anime silliness?). That and her silly and impossible dismount from the gunship, and literally body-damaging spread-legged landing (one hand down, of course) were minor blemishes on an otherwise fun DLC and damn fine character. Seriously people, I've seen that landing soooooo many times (and slight variations of it) in e-surance commercials and too many adverts for goofy cartoons or even in movies (like Underworld). Try this to see how absolutely impossible and dangerous that sort of landing is: get up on the bottom step of a stairway (do NOT go much higher or you endanger yourself). Now simply jump and try and land with one leg bent under you as it should be and one extended to the side, all stylish, and use your hand (the on the same side as the extended leg) to try to absorb impact. I actually decided to try this off my bed once because I had seen it so many times and HATED IT and just had to see how likely it really is. It is STUPID. If you do not have a very strong leg with solid ligaments and tendons in your properly bent impact-absorbing leg, you will hurt or wreck you knee. Landing fully spread-legged ala Kasumi would save your knees but sacrifice your crotch. You hand down to absorb is useless and will most likely lead to wrist damage. I managed no harm to myself with my experiment because I suspected the outcome and do have very strong legs and knees (so far) so...just be warned if you decide to test the reality of the stylishness.

For the love of Cthulhu, writers and artists, STOP WITH THAT OVER STYLIZED LANDING POSE! Overdone and IMPOSSIBLE.

i'm through here.

[PauseforEffect]

Jacob! What are you doing?! I told you to take cover! GET BACK HERE! GET-aaaaaaand he's dead.

Again. (sigh)

Did not help with the dialogue either. One awful flirty line from Shepard (I DO NOT WISH TO HIT ON JACOB) and he was delegated to the ignored and forgotten. Still never got to know his backstory out of fear that Shepard was going to be trapped in a romance with him.

It's sad, he was a decent character with admirable morals.

Miranda? Hard to take her seriously with a permanent Barbie Doll smile. Either her design was overworked or exaggerated intentionally to the point of being visually repellant. Her story, however, was good and her personality believable.

Kaiden? The one time he develops a backbone and an opinion, he's taking it out on Shepard at Horizon. Would have had newfound respect for that if not for that e-mail taking it back. Hypocrite.

Morinth deserves mentioning for the sheer awful personality and conversation. It felt like guiding an angst ridden amoral 14 year old playing goth. The only saving grace is that it is not required to have her on Shepard's team.

The others I don't mind and actually enjoyed talking to.

[sagefic]

Actually, I like them all.

(Oh, wait, was that shameless self-promotion? I can never tell... :innocent:)

Modifié par sagequeen, 26 octobre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Zubie]

Getorex wrote...

Ash. Found her very physically appealing (reminds me of someone but can't put a real face to her) but her religion and racist leanings were annoying. Lose the religion and the alien hate and you would be quite hot Ash. I found her very effective as a teammate because she had THE highest combat scoring addition to your capabilities. Problematic that she lacked any and all tech OR biotic capabilities. EVERYONE should at least have some tech ability if they aren't a biotic. Tech is off-the-shelf!

Wait, being religious is a bad thing?

[Sable Phoenix]

easygame88 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ash. Found her very physically appealing (reminds me of someone but can't put a real face to her) but her religion and racist leanings were annoying. Lose the religion and the alien hate and you would be quite hot Ash. I found her very effective as a teammate because she had THE highest combat scoring addition to your capabilities. Problematic that she lacked any and all tech OR biotic capabilities. EVERYONE should at least have some tech ability if they aren't a biotic. Tech is off-the-shelf!

Wait, being religious is a bad thing?

Ash isn't religious, she's spiritual.  Big difference.  The people who deride her for it (a fictional character, yet!) are revealing more about themselves than her.

Ash isn't racist, she's humanist.  Big difference.  In a dangerous situation you'll save a member of your own familly before a member of someone else's, and she recognizes this as a universal constant.  There are lingering bad feelings over the First Contact War and her grandfather's unjust censure, but she's not alone in that.  Pressley starts out as far more virulently xenophobic than she does, and nobody gets on his case.

The bad rap Ash gets is totally unjustified.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:26 .

[Saibh]

I don't necessarily have any sort of hatred for any of the characters--I can't even say I really dislike many of them. At least the ones that aren't meant to be disliked. I have problems with some of the presentation of the characters and how they were handled, not the characters themselves.

1. Tali I like well enough in personality, but since I prefer FemShep, she has two conversations with me. It bothers me that after she's done being Encyclopaedia Quarian she has nothing left to say. Garrus I like better in terms of personality (and with the bonus of romancing him, it adds to his character). She also feels a bit out of place to me as a squadmate--in the first game, she was included because she claims she fought geth and because she managed to not die when I rescued her. The fact that she was forced into my crew boggled me--some random quarian teenager allowed on the most top-secret ship of the Alliance fleet on the most important mission in Citadel space?

It'd be one thing if Shepard decided that it was his or her jurisdiction to include her, but a Renegade Shepard gets forced into keeping her. Then in the second game, in the two missions we meet her, she fails in both of them. I know we don't hire her to be a leader, but she doesn't exactly prove her worth as a squadmate. I'm not saying she shouldn't have been included, I'm saying that her presence always felt off to me. 

2. Jacob, you're so boring. You are so boring. More then Tali, you have no reason to be the ship. He said it himself--he's just head of security on a station where the most interesting thing he does is shoot some rounds in target practice. It goes up there with Ashley, some random Gunnery Chief from an agricultural planet who has never seen major combat being included with Shepard in ME1. And Tali.

I also have a problem with him being an ideal squad leader. He was with the Corsairs, but we never have any indication he's a good leader. Why would my crew trust him? He's just Miranda's lackey. If we had indication he was some phenomenal leader, sure. But we don't.

3. Zaeed I like quite a bit, but he feels like a cardboard cut-out in my ship sometimes. I can't talk with him, only listen to him ramble on and on. It would have been better if you were allowed conversations with him where he reminisces and once he was out of conversations he would start speaking in floating audio. Kasumi has a special place in my heart because she helps weave the crew together in a solid piece and talks about Shepard personally. Zaeed doesn't do that. I can't even do anything interesting with the security cams in his room.

Bonus: I'm going to run and hide for saying this, but Thane, you're my absolute favorite, but why are useless for the Suicide Mission? I see that he was originally intended to be a top defender for Hold the Line--with no DLC he would have been absolutely crucial with Grunt to keep your squad alive. But they (rightfully) decided Garrus is better, rendering Thane as the only useless character. He's a great squadmate, but I wish there was like a Sniper specialist section or something.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:40 .

[ADLegend21]

Like Sagequeen I like em all....except Zaeed. I made the mistake of (in the first playthrough after downloading him because I did my first SM without him and also played me2 first before going back and playing me1 to get better me2 scenarios) doing his LM first and I couldn't get his loyalty without killing those poor innocent workers and hearing them burn to death all so he could be happy. when I found out I could leave him on that planet it brought joy to my face to hear him go "SHEPAAAARD!" then blow up. and him trying to intimidate someone who came back from the dead really mad me go "who the hell do you think you are?! I've killed a reaper so I can damn sure kill you if you don't chill out!" and other than that he was like the fifth concussive shot user on the ship (on my soldier playthrough) and I'mg glad every time I see his squad selection picture colored in red.

[GuardianAngel470]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Like Sagequeen I like em all....except Zaeed. I made the mistake of (in the first playthrough after downloading him because I did my first SM without him and also played me2 first before going back and playing me1 to get better me2 scenarios) doing his LM first and I couldn't get his loyalty without killing those poor innocent workers and hearing them burn to death all so he could be happy. when I found out I could leave him on that planet it brought joy to my face to hear him go "SHEPAAAARD!" then blow up. and him trying to intimidate someone who came back from the dead really mad me go "who the hell do you think you are?! I've killed a reaper so I can damn sure kill you if you don't chill out!" and other than that he was like the fifth concussive shot user on the ship (on my soldier playthrough) and I'mg glad every time I see his squad selection picture colored in red.

You don't like killing a few workers in order to kill a man that really deserves it but you take pleasure in the sight of proof that you let Zaeed die on Zorya? I'm guessing you saved the Council? Even if you didn't, the point is still valid.

Interesting, to say the least.

[GodWood]

Carmen_Willow wrote...
Jack is my least favorite character. ~ I don't care that she's been tortured as a child (wah, wah, wah)

Ahh the internet.

[GuardianAngel470]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

easygame88 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ash. Found her very physically appealing (reminds me of someone but can't put a real face to her) but her religion and racist leanings were annoying. Lose the religion and the alien hate and you would be quite hot Ash. I found her very effective as a teammate because she had THE highest combat scoring addition to your capabilities. Problematic that she lacked any and all tech OR biotic capabilities. EVERYONE should at least have some tech ability if they aren't a biotic. Tech is off-the-shelf!

Wait, being religious is a bad thing?

Ash isn't religious, she's spiritual.  Big difference.  The people who deride her for it (a fictional character, yet!) are revealing more about themselves than her.

Ash isn't racist, she's humanist.  Big difference.  In a dangerous situation you'll save a member of your own familly before a member of someone else's, and she recognizes this as a universal constant.  There are lingering bad feelings over the First Contact War and her grandfather's unjust censure, but she's not alone in that.  Pressley starts out as far more virulently xenophobic than she does, and nobody gets on his case.

The bad rap Ash gets is totally unjustified.

Ash gets the religious flak because of how she presents the fact that she's spiritual. That particular conversation was either poorly written or just plain bad. Shepard is forced into judging her spirituality, and most people don't like doing that. She, either as a result of bad writing or bad concept design, pushes the issue on you. That I believe is where that flak comes from and I agree with it. It just isn't cool to do that to anyone.

As for the racist part, she is. "I don't feel comfortable having them around the normandy's systems. I disagree with them being given free roam" is basically what she says. That doesn't sound like what you described.

Consequently, it is the same thing Pressley says.

[ADLegend21]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Like Sagequeen I like em all....except Zaeed. I made the mistake of (in the first playthrough after downloading him because I did my first SM without him and also played me2 first before going back and playing me1 to get better me2 scenarios) doing his LM first and I couldn't get his loyalty without killing those poor innocent workers and hearing them burn to death all so he could be happy. when I found out I could leave him on that planet it brought joy to my face to hear him go "SHEPAAAARD!" then blow up. and him trying to intimidate someone who came back from the dead really mad me go "who the hell do you think you are?! I've killed a reaper so I can damn sure kill you if you don't chill out!" and other than that he was like the fifth concussive shot user on the ship (on my soldier playthrough) and I'mg glad every time I see his squad selection picture colored in red.

You don't like killing a few workers in order to kill a man that really deserves it but you take pleasure in the sight of proof that you let Zaeed die on Zorya? I'm guessing you saved the Council? Even if you didn't, the point is still valid.

Interesting, to say the least.

Zaeed turns his mission to save those workers into a mission to kill one person. andyeah I saved the counil it was better than default Udina ruling the damn galaxy needs of the many and all that jazz.

[GuardianAngel470]

GodWood wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...
Jack is my least favorite character. ~ I don't care that she's been tortured as a child (wah, wah, wah)

Ahh the internet.

Agreed.

[GodWood]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
As for the racist part, she is. "I don't feel comfortable having them around the normandy's systems. I disagree with them being given free roam" is basically what she says. That doesn't sound like what you described.

Consequently, it is the same thing Pressley says.

The guy who wrote Ash (Chris L' I believe) actually said on the old forums that Ash isn't a racist.

Just putting that out there.

[GuardianAngel470]

ADLegend21 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Like Sagequeen I like em all....except Zaeed. I made the mistake of (in the first playthrough after downloading him because I did my first SM without him and also played me2 first before going back and playing me1 to get better me2 scenarios) doing his LM first and I couldn't get his loyalty without killing those poor innocent workers and hearing them burn to death all so he could be happy. when I found out I could leave him on that planet it brought joy to my face to hear him go "SHEPAAAARD!" then blow up. and him trying to intimidate someone who came back from the dead really mad me go "who the hell do you think you are?! I've killed a reaper so I can damn sure kill you if you don't chill out!" and other than that he was like the fifth concussive shot user on the ship (on my soldier playthrough) and I'mg glad every time I see his squad selection picture colored in red.

You don't like killing a few workers in order to kill a man that really deserves it but you take pleasure in the sight of proof that you let Zaeed die on Zorya? I'm guessing you saved the Council? Even if you didn't, the point is still valid.

Interesting, to say the least.

Zaeed turns his mission to save those workers into a mission to kill one person. andyeah I saved the counil it was better than default Udina ruling the damn galaxy needs of the many and all that jazz.

I think Zaeed probably lied to you about being hired to rescue the workers. The fact that the planet description describes the factories as major blue suns bases doesn't seem like a rescue mission.

And honestly, needs of the many would have you kill Vido and send the suns into turmoil. Vido, from Zaeed's descriptions as well as his dialog, is a sadistic b*stard. Any chance to destabilize his operations could allow Shepard to eliminate them as a threat.

It's a gamble, but no less so than devoting reinforcments to saving the council. In fact, I would argue that saving the council is the greatest gamble.

[GuardianAngel470]

GodWood wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
As for the racist part, she is. "I don't feel comfortable having them around the normandy's systems. I disagree with them being given free roam" is basically what she says. That doesn't sound like what you described.

Consequently, it is the same thing Pressley says.

The guy who wrote Ash (Chris L' I believe) actually said on the old forums that Ash isn't a racist.

Just putting that out there.

I don't want to sound trite, but Chris L' isn't canon. If everything the dev's said outside of the various mediums was canon, then Legion would be an enemy that stalks Shepard throughout ME2, choices would actually matter when you carried them over from game to game, and a whole host of other promises.

I'm trying to work within the material given to me, and she sounds like a racist to me.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

sagequeen wrote...

Actually, I like them all.

(Oh, wait, was that shameless self-promotion? I can never tell... :innocent:)

*claps*