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[Leonia]

Oi, this thread again! Anders is confirmed to not be a Theirin, btw.

[DrunkenMonkey]

how do we not know that fiona is wynne?? 

Modifié par DrunkenMonkey, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Xhyn]

Fiona is a Grey Warden mage elf :]

[DrunkenMonkey]

Xhyn wrote...

Fiona is a Grey Warden mage elf :]

well she could of had a ear transplant  
 

[Astfgl]

DrunkenMonkey wrote...

how do we not know that fiona is wynne??

Well let's see... Fiona is surely at least twice younger than Wynne, she's from Orlais, she lived in Alienage, than for several years she was a sex slave, and found out she has magic powers only at age of 14. Does that still sound like Wynne? even with false ears...

[SweetPetunia86]

Honestly..I don't see how anyone cannot see that Alistair is Fiona's. There are way too many references to things about Alistair in that book that make it impossible to miss. Fiona makes Maric promise her that he will tell the child that his mother is human and dead. Thus the story about the maid comes into play. Goldanna could have been a plant. Or, the death of Goldanna's mother could have been a convenient yet unfortunate event that worked perfectly for the story Maric wanted. If anyone is looking to justify that with what Loghain says in the game, then that can't be relied on either. Maric and Loghain were close, close friends; almost like brothers. No doubt he told Loghain everything that had transpired and asked Loghain to honor what he had wanted. Loghain seemed to love Maric very much and probably honored that secret even after his death. It would not do very well to let eveyone know that the King of Fereldan had sexual realtions with an ELVEN, ORLESIAN MAGE and bore a son. Far better a sorry maid than Fiona. This could make a mockery of Maric and Alsitair might not be taken seriously. Also, it has been mentioned time and time again...anyone who has read any of the books knows that Maric would not force himself on some maid. It just doesn't seem like his swag. All the action he got was consensual. Even Rowan made a small comment about how his "warmth and gentleness made her cry" when they laid together. And she was still broken up about the Loghain thing. Anyway, Fiona IS Alistair damn momma!! It would be awesome if they could meet. I would like to see maybe some letters written by Maric talking about how he would have loved to be apart of Alistair's life. I thought they were so much alike.

Modifié par SweetPetunia86, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Asepsis]

I would like to imagine that Alistair is Fiona's son, it certainly seems that way to me. Except the timeline, that is what makes me iffy abotu it. but I am seriously not sure. After I read the books I got the impression that Maric wasn't as big a ladies man as people suggest, so the idea of him cheating on Rowan doesn't seem very likely, but who knows? With Rowan super ill and Maric feeling lonely he might have jumped a maid to pass the time (Though that sounds awful). Also I got the impression that even though he loved Rowan it was more a friendly sort of thing, like they were working together for Ferelden, they didn't actually romantically love each other the way Loghain and Rowan loved each other, or the way Maric loved Katriel. But that's just my opinion.



If there is a 3rd Theirin out there, I hope he makes an appearance in game! Perhaps we meet someone who knew Duncan, and all that, and by slowly getting to know them we can piece together that Duncan was watching over them because they were Maric's kid.

[SweetPetunia86]

The timeline can never be trusted within the whole Dragon Age world. Even Gaider admits that the timeline is a little jacked. It seems to me that Gaider wants people to think that Fiona is Alistair's mom anyway. In another forum, when Gaider was asked flat out if Fiona was Alistair's mother, he dances around the topic allowing the readers to think what they want. The writers have been straight foward about things that are not so. Why not simply say the the child is not Fiona's? This is another reason why I think that Alistair's mom is in fact Fiona. Also, other tidbits that stick out are Alistair's interest in the occult and arcane and him becoming a Templar.  His mother being a mage is completely ironic. Alistair giving the elves a seat in government !! When I got the ending, I was like "Are you serious?!?! Even Maric didn't do that and he was fond of elven women.  Duncan's whole cheese dream also makes this stick out as well since Alistair is obessed with cheese. Also, Alistair seems to have his mother's brown eyes. IMO is seems impossible to miss.

Also while I do not think the Rowan and Maric ever loved each other the way they loved their true loves, they were man and wife for a number of years. I would think that there were at least some romantic moments in there life. The man wanted to die when she passed. It seems a bit more than friendly to me.

Modifié par SweetPetunia86, 26 octobre 2010 - 01:01 .

[jpdipity]

SweetPetunia86 wrote...

...If anyone is looking to justify that with what Loghain says in the game, then that can't be relied on either. Maric and Loghain were close, close friends; almost like brothers. No doubt he told Loghain everything that had transpired and asked Loghain to honor what he had wanted. Loghain seemed to love Maric very much and probably honored that secret even after his death. It would not do very well to let eveyone know that the King of Fereldan had sexual realtions with an ELVEN, ORLESIAN MAGE and bore a son. Far better a sorry maid than Fiona. This could make a mockery of Maric and Alsitair might not be taken seriously...

I actually assumed that Loghain did not know the truth.  Based on the book, it seems to me that Maric and Fiona decided to keep the truth from Loghain.  So, I think Maric likely fed Loghain a phony story just like he did to everyone else to protect Fiona's wishes.

On the other hand, Loghain would likely keep the true story secret given the nature of it.  I hightly doubt that he would let that little nugget out of the bag.

[LupusYondergirl]

Alistair was originally planned to be much older- in his thirties. I thought that Loghain line might have been a holdover that never got changed when they shifted his age downward. (like the references to Zevran's first assassination attempt that still pop up on occasion even though that was completely removed from the game)

[Asepsis]

SweetPetunia86 wrote...
The timeline can never be trusted within the whole Dragon Age world.
Even Gaider admits that the timeline is a little jacked. It seems to me
that Gaider wants people to think that Fiona is Alistair's mom anyway.
In another forum, when Gaider was asked flat out if Fiona was Alistair's
mother, he dances around the topic allowing the readers to think what
they want. The writers have been straight foward about things that are
not so. Why not simply say the the child is not Fiona's? This is another
reason why I think that Alistair's mom is in fact Fiona. Also, other
tidbits that stick out are Alistair's interest in the occult and arcane
and him becoming a Templar.  His mother being a mage is completely
ironic. Alistair giving the elves a seat in government !! When I got the
ending, I was like "Are you serious?!?! Even Maric didn't do that and
he was fond of elven women.  Duncan's whole cheese dream also makes this
stick out as well since Alistair is obessed with cheese. Also, Alistair
seems to have his mother's brown eyes. IMO is seems impossible to miss.


Also while I do not think the Rowan and Maric ever loved each
other the way they loved their true loves, they were man and wife for a
number of years. I would think that there were at least some romantic
moments in there life. The man wanted to die when she passed. It seems a
bit more than friendly to me.

The Calling does suggest that, I thought the only people who would know would have been Maric, Fiona and Duncan.



Also, the point about her being an Orlesian Elven Mage
was kind of funny in the books. I mean, if he wanted to besmirch his
name and Rowan's, producing offspring with the three most despised
things in Ferelden would be the way to do it. Not saying I agree with
the fact people in Ferelden think like that, but it's probably what
people would have thought at the time and so near the time they had just
kicked the Orlesians out. I personally liked Fiona, after a while, she
was a bit annoying at first.



The time line isn't shot, David Gaider said that it was only off in the
books and in some codex because they accidentally worked off of an
older time line. There is pretty straightforward one out there that he
confirmed, and I sat down and sort of wrote it out (After reading the
calling and David Gaider's comment on the forums) and figured out what
the real time line was supposed to be so I'm okay with it. If Loghain's
words were more of a statement about Rowan's honor after her death it
would make sense, and be sort of believable. The only thing throwing me
is Loghain's comment, but of course that could be an accident, who
knows? I too believe that most likely Alistair is Fiona's son, but I don't want to get my hopes up, lol!

jpdipity wrote...

SweetPetunia86 wrote...

...If anyone is looking to justify that with what Loghain says in the game, then that can't be relied on either. Maric and Loghain were close, close friends; almost like brothers. No doubt he told Loghain everything that had transpired and asked Loghain to honor what he had wanted. Loghain seemed to love Maric very much and probably honored that secret even after his death. It would not do very well to let eveyone know that the King of Fereldan had sexual realtions with an ELVEN, ORLESIAN MAGE and bore a son. Far better a sorry maid than Fiona. This could make a mockery of Maric and Alsitair might not be taken seriously...

I actually assumed that Loghain did not know the truth.  Based on the book, it seems to me that Maric and Fiona decided to keep the truth from Loghain.  So, I think Maric likely fed Loghain a phony story just like he did to everyone else to protect Fiona's wishes.

On the other hand, Loghain would likely keep the true story secret given the nature of it.  I hightly doubt that he would let that little nugget out of the bag.

I thought the only people who would know would have been Maric, Fiona and Duncan. I mean, as much as Maric did trust Loghain, and I believe he did, I do not think he would have admitted having a kid with an Orlesian Elf to him. Just to keep him sane I mean, probably for Loghain's sake he'd have kept his mouth shut and told him another story. However that's just how I think he would have handled it. As much as you love/trust your friends you don't always tell them everything.

Also, the point about her being an Orlesian Elven Mage was kind of funny in the books. I mean, if he wanted to besmerch his name and Rowan's, producing offspring with the three most despised things in Ferelden would be the way to do it. It's probably what people would have thought at the time especially since they had just kicked the Orlesians out. I personally liked Fiona, after a while, she was a bit annoying at first.

Also, I agree Maric did love ROWAN (Gosh me and my typos, this was edited), however a lot of that I want to die attitude IMO came from the fact he felt guilty about how Rowan's life turned out, and he felt odd being King without her. At least that's the impression I got. I mean they went through the whole war together and they both sacrificed a lot to be King and Queen so they probably had a really close bond.  The fade dream sort of gave it away for me.

Modifié par Asepsis, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:06 .

[SweetPetunia86]

I have read in way too many wiki pages and threads about what the time line should be. Also, while Gaider's word is the final one since he is the main writer for the series, he has been known to give vague answers to questions and leave many answers for the readers to figure out. SO as far as the timeline goes; I aint payin much attention to it. I think that your theory about it being something that should have been edited is on point though. Maric LOVING Fiona...I am not so sure about that. It seemed to me that he wanted to continue their relationship and cared for her. He only knew her for like two weeks. But then again he did not know Katriel that long either and he fell for her. About how he felt for Rowan,like I said it is just my opinion; I think that it his feelings were a little more than him feeling bad about how her life turned out. Katriel was his true love, that 's why he dreamt of her.

Modifié par SweetPetunia86, 26 octobre 2010 - 07:52 .

[ejoslin]

Well, no matter who Alistair's mom is, he was definitely born after Rowan's death. So the comment Loghain gives about why Maric didn't acknowledge him is not too consistent. There are so many lines of dialog, however; it could have been overlooked and from the time where Alistair was supposed to be older.

Edit: Duncan is also awfully young to be going to his calling with Alistair as young as he is.  You'd think that would cause him to question "30 years" as Duncan obviously had much less.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 octobre 2010 - 08:44 .

[Asepsis]

SweetPetunia86 wrote...

I have read in way too many wiki pages and threads about what the time line should be. Also, while Gaider's word is the final one since he is the main writer for the series, he has been known to give vague answers to questions and leave many answers for the readers to figure out. SO as far as the timeline goes; I aint payin much attention to it. I think that your theory about it being something that should have been edited is on point though. Maric LOVING Fiona...I am not so sure about that. It seemed to me that he wanted to continue their relationship and cared for her. He only knew her for like two weeks. But then again he did not know Katriel that long either and he fell for her. About how he felt for Rowan,like I said it is just my opinion; I think that it his feelings were a little more than him feeling bad about how her life turned out. Katriel was his true love, that 's why he dreamt of her.

Lol I swear I meant to type Rowan instead of Fiona, L0L I read your post and was all? What? Then I re-read mine and saw I had typed Fiona, my bad, lol! I agree, I think he cared for her a whole lot, and did love her obviously, I just dunno how far it went, my opinion only obviously lol! You bring up some goods points, it's true you can love more than one person, I def agree Katriel was his one and only though!

Oh typos...how I hate them.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Asepsis, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:07 .

[SweetPetunia86]

Yeah...I am definitely anal about whether or not my entries are spelled right. I thought of their love as something deeper than a close friendship within a marriage because he talks about her so much in The Calling. He even talked about Rowan when he is reunited with Katriel in the Fade. It could just be wishful thinking on my part that his love for her was something special. I really just did not care for Katriel that much and could never understand what Maric saw in her besides some huge ****** and an air of seduction. It would have been nice to see or read more (in depth) about Maric's relationship with Rowan over the course of the marriage. I know that he probably was not her favorite person at the of the book (Stolen Throne) but I guess I just like the idea of them together. I was really into Rowan's character. I thought she was so awesome. It's ashame that she had to pass. I'm not gonna even hope to see her in any Fade sequences in the future games since the devs are through with Origins.

Modifié par SweetPetunia86, 26 octobre 2010 - 09:45 .

[Asepsis]

SweetPetunia86 wrote...

Yeah...I am definitely anal about whether or not my entries are spelled right. It would have been nice to see or read more (in depth) about Maric's relationship with Rowan over the course of the marriage. I know that he probably was not her favorite person at the of the book (Stolen Throne) but I guess I just like the idea of them together. I was really into Rowan's character. I thought she was so awesome. It's ashame that she had to pass. I'm not gonna even hope to see her in any Fade sequences in the future games since the devs are through with Origins.

I guess the only person who would have seen her in the fade was Loghain (Of the people in game), and we can't get him until after the landsmeet. Oh well. I agree Rowan was awesome, I liked her a lot.

I got the feeling she was more mad at Loghain than Maric at the end of the book though.  I'd like to see more books about Maric/Loghain. Hopefully some more will come out but we'll see.

[SweetPetunia86]

I edited my reply and said some stuff about Katriel. GOD I really just did not care for her. And it does suck that you can't get Loghain until after the Landsmeet. I would like to see some Fade sequences of Rowan and Loghain. However I think that it should be on her take of Loghain's actions in Origins. In my hardcore fan mind.. he sees her and immediately draws his sword thinking it is a demon, however Rowan tells him that she has just been waiting in the Fade to talk to him one last time before she goes off to the Maker and has no intention of luring him against his will. Just like Katriel's spirit was really in the Fade in The Calling. They kiss and get all mushy and Rowan begins to question him on how he could ever do those things to her son and brother and claim that he ever loved her. Whatever his answer is a fight ensues and she tries to kill him in the Fade. I think THAT would be awesome!! I agree that Rowan was more angry at Loghain for so readily pawning her off (although Loghain had he had a choice he would have chose to be with her)to Maric. She had JUST started loving him and realizing everthing that she wanted Maric to notice about her, Loghain did.
However, I think that she was a little mad at Maric for at least not being honest with her even after she fell for Loghain. It was the least that he could do if he was not going to honor the proposal anymore. Maybe the "wall" Rowan built up to keep Maric out was also a reaction of her being weirded out because she has lain with BOTH of them. That's gotta be awkward.

Modifié par SweetPetunia86, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:02 .

[Mnemnosyne]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Duncan is also awfully young to be going to his calling with Alistair as young as he is.  You'd think that would cause him to question "30 years" as Duncan obviously had much less.

Depends on how old Cailan is, really.  If he's in his 20's, then yes, if he's in his 30's, not so much.  I don't think Cailan is more than 7, at the oldest, during the Calling, and may be even younger (I do not recall offhand if an exact age was given).  If he was around four or five years old, it seems to fit reasonably well if Cailan is 34 at the time of the Blight.  But, if he's ten years younger, then Duncan's only been a Grey Warden for about 20 years instead of 30.

However, this could be explained by his experiences with that brooch/dagger thing.  Whether intentional or a mistake, it could be said that the dagger didn't completely shield him from the brooch's effects, and that it permanently pushed forward his calling by about ten years.

As far as Maric and Alistair, the main thing that makes me think Alistair may, in fact, be Fiona's child is that Maric does not seem the sort to be sleeping around.  The idea that he forced himself on a serving girl (as Goldanna claims) seems nonsensical, but even dismissing that as an outright fabrication by Goldanna, it just seems somewhat out of character for Maric to go sleeping with a random serving girl.  He doesn't seem the type.  True, he didn't know Fiona long before their encounter, but there certainly seemed to be a connection and it was clearly a relationship he wanted to take seriously.  For him to have a random dalliance with a serving girl, apparently have little to no contact with her for the next three-quarters of a year, and then send her daughter packing with only a coin or two to keep quiet seems so grossly out of character that I find it difficult to believe he would do such a thing.  So, while it's far from certain, I maintain a decent willingness to believe that Alistair is Fiona's son, not so much because it fits, but because the other possibilities seem to not fit.

[Bruddajakka]

I've honestly never thought that Alistair was Fiona's son myself. Timing doesn't work out. Though DA's timeline is really messed up at the moment.

[Mnemnosyne]

I don't see what doesn't work there. Alistair is younger than Cailan by a few years, which fits quite well time-wise. As far as I know, no precise dates or ages for any of the characters are ever given.

[ejoslin]

Koyasha wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Duncan is also awfully young to be going to his calling with Alistair as young as he is.  You'd think that would cause him to question "30 years" as Duncan obviously had much less.

Depends on how old Cailan is, really.  If he's in his 20's, then yes, if he's in his 30's, not so much.  I don't think Cailan is more than 7, at the oldest, during the Calling, and may be even younger (I do not recall offhand if an exact age was given).  If he was around four or five years old, it seems to fit reasonably well if Cailan is 34 at the time of the Blight.  But, if he's ten years younger, then Duncan's only been a Grey Warden for about 20 years instead of 30.

However, this could be explained by his experiences with that brooch/dagger thing.  Whether intentional or a mistake, it could be said that the dagger didn't completely shield him from the brooch's effects, and that it permanently pushed forward his calling by about ten years.

As far as Maric and Alistair, the main thing that makes me think Alistair may, in fact, be Fiona's child is that Maric does not seem the sort to be sleeping around.  The idea that he forced himself on a serving girl (as Goldanna claims) seems nonsensical, but even dismissing that as an outright fabrication by Goldanna, it just seems somewhat out of character for Maric to go sleeping with a random serving girl.  He doesn't seem the type.  True, he didn't know Fiona long before their encounter, but there certainly seemed to be a connection and it was clearly a relationship he wanted to take seriously.  For him to have a random dalliance with a serving girl, apparently have little to no contact with her for the next three-quarters of a year, and then send her daughter packing with only a coin or two to keep quiet seems so grossly out of character that I find it difficult to believe he would do such a thing.  So, while it's far from certain, I maintain a decent willingness to believe that Alistair is Fiona's son, not so much because it fits, but because the other possibilities seem to not fit.

An exact age IS given for Cailin -- 9 -- but that is confirmed wrong.  He was 5 I believe.  Calin is in his mid 20s during the blight, Alistair is in his early 20s (Cailin is younger than Anora by a few years, and she's in her late 20s).  Alistair was initially going to be 32, but that didn't work for his character (obviously) so he was made quite a bit younger.

[SweetPetunia86]

Koyasha wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Duncan is also awfully young to be going to his calling with Alistair as young as he is.  You'd think that would cause him to question "30 years" as Duncan obviously had much less.

Depends on how old Cailan is, really.  If he's in his 20's, then yes, if he's in his 30's, not so much.  I don't think Cailan is more than 7, at the oldest, during the Calling, and may be even younger (I do not recall offhand if an exact age was given).  If he was around four or five years old, it seems to fit reasonably well if Cailan is 34 at the time of the Blight.  But, if he's ten years younger, then Duncan's only been a Grey Warden for about 20 years instead of 30.

However, this could be explained by his experiences with that brooch/dagger thing.  Whether intentional or a mistake, it could be said that the dagger didn't completely shield him from the brooch's effects, and that it permanently pushed forward his calling by about ten years.

As far as Maric and Alistair, the main thing that makes me think Alistair may, in fact, be Fiona's child is that Maric does not seem the sort to be sleeping around.  The idea that he forced himself on a serving girl (as Goldanna claims) seems nonsensical, but even dismissing that as an outright fabrication by Goldanna, it just seems somewhat out of character for Maric to go sleeping with a random serving girl.  He doesn't seem the type.  True, he didn't know Fiona long before their encounter, but there certainly seemed to be a connection and it was clearly a relationship he wanted to take seriously.  For him to have a random dalliance with a serving girl, apparently have little to no contact with her for the next three-quarters of a year, and then send her daughter packing with only a coin or two to keep quiet seems so grossly out of character that I find it difficult to believe he would do such a thing.  So, while it's far from certain, I maintain a decent willingness to believe that Alistair is Fiona's son, not so much because it fits, but because the other possibilities seem to not fit.

Kyosha..I think you said it best. Especially when you mention Goldana. It really doesn't seem like Maric would set someone out on the street after their mother died in childbirth. Serving girl or no. Also, Maric was a really sweet man. Him forcing himself on someone does seem out of character. 

Modifié par SweetPetunia86, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:45 .

[jpdipity]

SweetPetunia86 wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Duncan is also awfully young to be going to his calling with Alistair as young as he is.  You'd think that would cause him to question "30 years" as Duncan obviously had much less.

Depends on how old Cailan is, really.  If he's in his 20's, then yes, if he's in his 30's, not so much.  I don't think Cailan is more than 7, at the oldest, during the Calling, and may be even younger (I do not recall offhand if an exact age was given).  If he was around four or five years old, it seems to fit reasonably well if Cailan is 34 at the time of the Blight.  But, if he's ten years younger, then Duncan's only been a Grey Warden for about 20 years instead of 30.

However, this could be explained by his experiences with that brooch/dagger thing.  Whether intentional or a mistake, it could be said that the dagger didn't completely shield him from the brooch's effects, and that it permanently pushed forward his calling by about ten years.

As far as Maric and Alistair, the main thing that makes me think Alistair may, in fact, be Fiona's child is that Maric does not seem the sort to be sleeping around.  The idea that he forced himself on a serving girl (as Goldanna claims) seems nonsensical, but even dismissing that as an outright fabrication by Goldanna, it just seems somewhat out of character for Maric to go sleeping with a random serving girl.  He doesn't seem the type.  True, he didn't know Fiona long before their encounter, but there certainly seemed to be a connection and it was clearly a relationship he wanted to take seriously.  For him to have a random dalliance with a serving girl, apparently have little to no contact with her for the next three-quarters of a year, and then send her daughter packing with only a coin or two to keep quiet seems so grossly out of character that I find it difficult to believe he would do such a thing.  So, while it's far from certain, I maintain a decent willingness to believe that Alistair is Fiona's son, not so much because it fits, but because the other possibilities seem to not fit.

Kyosha..I think you said it best. Especially when you mention Goldana. It really doesn't seem like Maric would set someone out on the street after their mother died in childbirth. Serving girl or no. Also, Maric was a really sweet man. Him forcing himself on someone does seem out of character. 

Completely agree.  Goldanna  is clearly mistaken to suggest that Maric forced himself on her mother.  Maric was much more of a negotiator and lover than a fighter - rape seems very much out of character for him.  Not to mention he was handsome, extremely charming (even sourpuss Loghain thinks this), wealthy and King - in what world would he ever need to force himself on anyone?

Maric also offered to raise the child and wanted Fiona to move to Denerim.  Why would he make such an offer to an Orlesian Mage Elf without hesitation, but leave a human servant and her child to fend for themselves - it simply does not make sense. 

As Kyosha says - the alternatives simply don't make sense.  I will be highly disappointed if later in the series we find some off the wall theory that changes Maric's character into a rapist. 

Modifié par jpdipity, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:17 .

[Asepsis]

jpdipity wrote...

SweetPetunia86 wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
*snip*

As far as Maric and Alistair, the main thing that makes me think Alistair may, in fact, be Fiona's child is that Maric does not seem the sort to be sleeping around.  The idea that he forced himself on a serving girl (as Goldanna claims) seems nonsensical, but even dismissing that as an outright fabrication by Goldanna, it just seems somewhat out of character for Maric to go sleeping with a random serving girl.  He doesn't seem the type.  True, he didn't know Fiona long before their encounter, but there certainly seemed to be a connection and it was clearly a relationship he wanted to take seriously.  For him to have a random dalliance with a serving girl, apparently have little to no contact with her for the next three-quarters of a year, and then send her daughter packing with only a coin or two to keep quiet seems so grossly out of character that I find it difficult to believe he would do such a thing.  So, while it's far from certain, I maintain a decent willingness to believe that Alistair is Fiona's son, not so much because it fits, but because the other possibilities seem to not fit.

Kyosha..I think you said it best. Especially when you mention Goldana. It really doesn't seem like Maric would set someone out on the street after their mother died in childbirth. Serving girl or no. Also, Maric was a really sweet man. Him forcing himself on someone does seem out of character. 

Completely agree.  Goldanna  is clearly mistaken to suggest that Maric forced himself on her mother.  Maric was much more of a negotiator and lover than a fighter - rape seems very much out of character for him.  Not to mention he was handsome, extremely charming (even sourpuss Loghain thinks this), wealthy and King - in what world would he ever need to force himself on anyone?

Maric also offered to raise the child and wanted Fiona to move to Denerim.  Why would he make such an offer to an Orlesian Mage Elf without hesitation, but leave a human servant and her child to fend for themselves - it simply does not make sense. 

As Kyosha says - the alternatives simply don't make sense.  I will be highly disappointed if later in the series we find some off the wall theory that changes Maric's character into a rapist. 

I completely agree with all of this. I assumed Goldanna was just being
bitter and spouting nonsense when you first go speak with her, especially after reading the book. I figure it's her way of taking a cheap shot at Alistair for being the King's son. I do not
believe Maric would have done anything like that. It's just icky to think so. I remember the first time I played the game I assumed Maric was some creepy man because of Alistair's quest, but it's obvious that he isn't from the books/when speaking to those who knew him.

Modifié par Asepsis, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:32 .

[errant_knight]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Simple fix.

Either the game made a mistake (quick retcon by ignoring Loghain), the book made a major mistake (completely ruining Maric's motivations and feelings about Rowan's death), or there is a third child out there.

Edit: I'm hoping for the third. A Theirin child who is not dead or has the blight coursing through him? Sounds great, the legend of Calenhad endures! (possible spelling errors)

Agreed! I like Alistair's 'hero's journey' story that has him going from the bastard child of a servant to King. I don't like the idea that Fiona and Maric's idea of giving their child a better life would be foisting him on Eamon and letting him go to the Chantry. I also don't like the idea that Calenhad's line will die out one generation after Maric restores the throne to the Theirins. 

Edit: I think it's worth noting that Alistair was originally supposed to be older. That rather changes thing, I think. Maric could have slept with the servant before meeting Fiona or marrying Rowan.

Modifié par errant_knight, 27 octobre 2010 - 07:35 .